Okay, Here's why I respect Deadmau5 :

toa$t said:
measurable + quantifiable = objective. what you are doing is questioning whether the number of records sold is at all favourably relevant to the quality of music. if you really want to say that it isn't, I am simply going to say that I think you are wrong an leave it at that. but I hope you admit that IF it were relevant, record sales would be the only objective indicator of music's quality.



I agree. this is not a counter-argument.
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your stubborn, thats all their is to it... if we were to say the number of records sold are actually relevant to the quality of music then what is there to say Britney Spears, NSYNC, Deadmau5, the Back Street Boys, and other bands or music groups or Djs who are also criticized by many who appreciate qualaties such as originality, ingenuity, new concepts, just plain good music! dont make good music, I mean come on, Britney Spear's single Circus is soooooo original, and I mean its obviosly super original SINCE its sold soo many... damn.... records!! We arent talking about genres here, thats un important, what we are discussing here, is wheater or not Deadmau5 makes any good, or at least, ORIGINAL music!!!

there is such a thing, as bad music. the guy you just quoted here has an obvious point hes trying to make... and so have others, just because your famous, doesnt mean your any good, any original..

all you have proven, is than being an amateur Dj, amateur producer, doesnt mean, you know anything about music. and others who arent, amateur producers, djs, arent necesarily disqualified as people who know their shit when it comes to music.





but....... i gues your argument is sooo unbreakable.....people who make records that sell a lot within the massive crowds are obviously greats...



but what do i know,
your such an original artist....... you know whos in it for the music, and who is not, obviously, totally, no one, can compare, to to@st.
 
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toa$t said:
measurable + quantifiable = objective. what you are doing is questioning whether the number of records sold is at all favourably relevant to the quality of music.
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That's exactly what I was saying. Anyways, I'll try one more time.

Yes, sales are an objective measure. They are an objective measure of how many sales were made. You're claiming that sales are an objective measure of the quality of the music, or at least a possible measure. Here's why they're not.

When one person makes a claim as to whether music is good or not, that is a subjective claim. When a thousand people make a claim as to whether music is good or not, that is a collection of subjective claims. At what point does the sum of subjective become objective?

You are using an objective measure to make an inference when you use sales as some sort of indication of quality of music. When you make that inference regarding quality, you also have to take into account confounding variables affecting a person's choice. Marketing, availability, exposure, they all effect sales in such an extreme way, as to make using sales as a measure of "quality", a bit hazy.

Not to mention you must also define quality. Once again, it's subjective.
 
if I tell you to guess whether a random record is good or bad, and the only piece of information that I give you about it is that it went triple platinum, would you guess that the record was good or bad?
 
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toa$t said:
if I tell you to guess whether a random record is good or bad, and the only piece of information that I give you about it is that it went triple platinum, would you guess that the record was good or bad?
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It's irrelevant. Whether or not I am swayed towards thinking that high sales is a sign of a good album or not is affected by whether I like the sorts of albums that tend to be high selling to begin with.

What is occurring is a subjective appraisal of a number (the number of records sold). I personally might be swayed to thinking that the album has a higher liklihood of being good than bad. But someone else, who tends to enjoy less commercial music than myself might make a different appraisal.

But just out of curioristy:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_best-selling_albums_worldwide

There's a few decent albums in that list, but there's probably more that I would consider to suck or am just not interested in listening to because I don't like what I've already heard from the artist.

But then, that's just my subjective appraisal. The millions of people who bought those albums likely made different subjective appraisal.
 
Rated E said:
It's irrelevant. Whether or not I am swayed towards thinking that high sales is a sign of a good album or not is affected by whether I like the sorts of albums that tend to be high selling to begin with.

What is occurring is a subjective appraisal of a number (the number of records sold). I personally might be swayed to thinking that the album has a higher liklihood of being good than bad. But someone else, who tends to enjoy less commercial music than myself might make a different appraisal.

But just out of curioristy:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_best-selling_albums_worldwide

There's a few decent albums in that list, but there's probably more that I would consider to suck or am just not interested in listening to because I don't like what I've already heard from the artist.

But then, that's just my subjective appraisal. The millions of people who bought those albums likely made different subjective appraisal.
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so say you don't like thriller. do you think it would be fair to say that it 'sucks'?
 
Rated E said:
It doesn't, but it does sound like:

Not Exactly

I Remember

Finished Symphony (Deadmau5 Remix)
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Yeah i see your point, but he does have to have a certain style to his music, like the type you hear and you will instantly know it is him. I like him alot, but i prefer the tracks that he hasn't brought out as singles. Every DJ gotta make money somehow, why else would eric prydz put out a song like pjanoo? The minute you hear it you know it will sound shiite after a few hearings of it. So thas what deadmau5 does, bring out a track to make money off. lol
 
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toa$t said:
so say you don't like thriller. do you think it would be fair to say that it 'sucks'?
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I see the point you are making. There is a certain element of quality that can be seperated from "subjective" taste. Yea, I can admit that certain albums are good even if they personally aren't my thing. Which probably comes down to a recognition of trends in the subjective tastes of others.

Still, using sales as a basis for asserting quality is basically pointless.

I haven't heard Thriller. It's unimportant though. I've heard enough of MJ's music to know that it doesn't appeal to me. I personally don't think it's good music but I am aware that many people do like it.

At some point it becomes a bit like arguing over whether tits or ass are better. You could perform a survey of preference, and come to a conclusion about which is the more popular preference, but it doesn't mean that you've actually answered the question of which is better. You've only answered the question of which the most people think is better.
 
harley89 said:
Yeah i see your point, but he does have to have a certain style to his music, like the type you hear and you will instantly know it is him. I like him alot, but i prefer the tracks that he hasn't brought out as singles. Every DJ gotta make money somehow, why else would eric prydz put out a song like pjanoo? The minute you hear it you know it will sound shiite after a few hearings of it. So thas what deadmau5 does, bring out a track to make money off. lol
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I think Prydz pulls of having his own distinctive sound while still making beats that are seperable from one another.

Pjanoo isn't amazing, but it's a nice track. If you really wanted to rip on Prydz you could always bring up Call On Me or Proper Education, I mean, they're terrible tracks. ;)

Personally I don't mind that Deadmau5 has made a few beats that sound similar. I actually liked Faxing Berlin when I first heard it, so I was delighted when I came across a bunch of beats that sounded similar. I think his remix of Finished Symphony is awesome.

That said, Deadmau5 doesn't have shit on Prydz. Deadmau5 has way too much mediocre material.
 
Rated E said:
I personally don't think it's good music but I am aware that many people do like it.
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this is exactly what I was driving at. whether or not you like deadmau5's music, you have to respect the fact that he has managed to appeal to such a wide audience.

whether or not you like a musician is going to depend on a lot of things. hopefully, the number of records he has sold isn't one of them. however, in the case of musicians like deadmau5, I think you have to give the guy credit. even though YOU don't like his music, there are enough people out there who do that you have to recognize that the guy has talent. whether that talent is anything over and above the ability to sell millions of records is certainly up for debate, but you can't deny that he is a successful musician, and that there is something more to being a successful musician than 'selling out.'
 
also, Rated E, I laughed my ass off at those three deadmau5 tracks you posted. I wonder if HE could even tell them apart...
 
toa$t said:
also, Rated E, I laughed my ass off at those three deadmau5 tracks you posted. I wonder if HE could even tell them apart...
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lol

It would be great if an interviewer asked him that.

But yea, I don't think the sheer amount of Deadmau5 hate is warranted. And it's good that something is getting attention in the Australian mainstream clubbing scene that isn't electro house (well not straight up electro house).
 
Rated E said:
I think Prydz pulls of having his own distinctive sound while still making beats that are seperable from one another.

Pjanoo isn't amazing, but it's a nice track. If you really wanted to rip on Prydz you could always bring up Call On Me or Proper Education, I mean, they're terrible tracks. ;)

Personally I don't mind that Deadmau5 has made a few beats that sound similar. I actually liked Faxing Berlin when I first heard it, so I was delighted when I came across a bunch of beats that sounded similar. I think his remix of Finished Symphony is awesome.

That said, Deadmau5 doesn't have shit on Prydz. Deadmau5 has way too much mediocre material.
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Yeah, i didn't mention them for the fear of being ridiculed haha!

Your right about Prydz, he is in a different league, some of his latest stuff is blowing me away massively.
 
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