Okay, Here's why I respect Deadmau5 :

I don't know, I happen to like his music. I don't find it particularly boring.

To each their own, though I do agree that he could do without the attitude.
 
turtleloo said:
i dont think he scares other DJs... lol if youre a musician like me and you know all his equipment he doenst have to do anything such as beatmatch or harmonic match Abelton his laptop program does that all for him. He uses a Lemur like daft punk youtube then youll understand how easy he makes all his cool sounds and effects. and he has a trigger pad similar to a kaos pad youtube that too. im not saying Deadmau5 is not good he is good at what he does which is playing his music and pressing buttons but you cant compare him to what a DJ does. and yeah im in the audience and his live performance was epic :D
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you can't be serious. you realize that deadmau5 is playing music he has written himself, right? what he does doesn't compare to what a dj does insofar as it is about 1,000,000x cooler and requires 1,000,000x more talent than djing.

(a little tip for the kids: DJING IS EASY AS FUCK. any idiot can do it with a bit of practice. now sit down and try to write a track that doesn't sound like it was written on a calculator )

that being said, I don't like deadmua5's music either, but I have a ton of respect for an artist that can captivate huge audiences playing exclusively original material.
 
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Yead Dude, Deadmau5 is pretty awesome. I respect him a lot. I understand why some people think his music is boring, but I find it refreshing in a time when everyone is trying to cram more and more into their tracks to one-up each other, or basically turning techno into pop music. I feel like his music is more pure. His essential mix has been one of my favorites to listen to at work for a while now.
 
toa$t said:
you can't be serious. you realize that deadmau5 is playing music he has written himself, right? what he does doesn't compare to what a dj does insofar as it is about 1,000,000x cooler and requires 1,000,000x more talent than djing.

(a little tip for the kids: DJING IS EASY AS FUCK. any idiot can do it with a bit of practice. now sit down and try to write a track that doesn't sound like it was written on a calculator )

that being said, I don't like deadmua5's music either, but I have a ton of respect for an artist that can captivate huge audiences playing exclusively original material.
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So what if he plays his own music? His music is CRAP. Big deal if he can click a mouse and trigger loops in Abledon. Every man and his dog can do that these days. And so what if he plays to big audiences? - Tiesto played at the Olympic Games opening ceremony, but he's still shit!!!

As for DJing, the REAL skill to it isn't the technical side (beat-matching), it's the track selection - playing the right track at the right time and BUILDING A SET - taking the crowd on a journey. That's why Lee Burridge is the best DJ in the world - he builds a set so damn well. The fact that he's technically excellent is just an added bonus :) But I would rather listen to a DJ, with limited technical skill, play great tunes, than listen to a deadmou5 live set.
 
so would I. I don't like deadmau5. but this thread isn't about what you would rather do, it's about respect. any idiot can pick out a bunch of great tracks and play a great set. the same just cannot be said for composing a live set from scratch. he doesn't just "click a mouse and trigger loops." he prepares the content of EACH AND EVERY ONE of those loops and samples and weaves them into tracks. this takes an unbelievable amount of technical knowledge and musical ability. Whether you like what he produces is pretty much irrelevant. Millions of people go ape shit for deadmau5 live sets, and he deserves to be respected for that. if any idiot can do it, why don't you? you sound like a perfect candidate.

also, tiesto is not crap. sure you might not like the genre he produces, but SHITLOADS of people (myself included) enjoy a lot of his stuff. Most people who are into trance don't dislike tiesto, and if you aren't into trance, it's not really fair to say that he sucks. it's like saying picasso sucks because you don't like surrealism.

I'm not saying you have to like wither of their music. All I'm saying that the ability to compose an entire set of entirely original music that you play live in front of tens of thousands of people going fucking bonkers for it deserves respect.

also an FYI, it is pretty much IMPOSSIBLE to become an internationally successful DJ (in electronic music) without producing your own music (with the exception of Eddie Halliwell, who is the only one I can think if). DJing, and the 'ability' to select 20 tracks THAT SOMEONE ELSE HAS WRITTEN does not deserve any respect, in my humble opinion (this from a guy who djs regularly). sure djing is lots of fun, but I have found that what it REALLY takes to be a 'good dj' is knowing a lot of well connected people and throwing successful parties.

PS. just to be perfectly clear. you think "every man and his dog" can play a live set of original music using ableton, but not just anyone can pick 20 records and mix them? just so I'm sure we're arguing about the same thing here
 
MDMAhead said:
So what if he plays his own music? His music is CRAP. Big deal if he can click a mouse and trigger loops in Abledon. Every man and his dog can do that these days. And so what if he plays to big audiences? - Tiesto played at the Olympic Games opening ceremony, but he's still shit!!!

As for DJing, the REAL skill to it isn't the technical side (beat-matching), it's the track selection - playing the right track at the right time and BUILDING A SET - taking the crowd on a journey. That's why Lee Burridge is the best DJ in the world - he builds a set so damn well. The fact that he's technically excellent is just an added bonus :) But I would rather listen to a DJ, with limited technical skill, play great tunes, than listen to a deadmou5 live set.
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When you listen to a music artist do you listen to every fucking song on the album?

Because that is basically what you imply should be done of any music listener.

Sorry but the rest of the world finds and enjoys individual songs to listen to. And if we wanted to hear assorted music artists played then why not ust turn on the FM radio.

Deadmau5 may be the the POP icon of electronic music but electronic music itself in north america is a subculture. What Im saying is that not just any idiot enjoys his music because it is playing, they enjoy it because in a subculture music genre the fans nearly have to seek out the music themselves.

I would much rather hear a new mix or twist on a track than I have ever heard before that is very appealing rather than "hear that same song again that totally matches the mood" that you seem to describe as a perfect dj

I should mention that in terms of electronic music, live performance means very little to me. I enjoy the music on my own in my own mixing. I think that is what is to be expected of a genre or art that cannot be recreated live in one piece. For example you would not go to watch the mona lisa be painted live once more.

Oh yea, speaking of live recorded sets you love so much... not everyone has 2 hours to listen to a single artist. Like I said before many people like a good solid 4-5 minute track they can listen to and thats it.
 
toa$t said:
you can't be serious. you realize that deadmau5 is playing music he has written himself, right? what he does doesn't compare to what a dj does insofar as it is about 1,000,000x cooler and requires 1,000,000x more talent than djing.

(a little tip for the kids: DJING IS EASY AS FUCK. any idiot can do it with a bit of practice. now sit down and try to write a track that doesn't sound like it was written on a calculator )

that being said, I don't like deadmua5's music either, but I have a ton of respect for an artist that can captivate huge audiences playing exclusively original material.
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I'm gonna have to disagree with you on this one. Yes, although Djing and mixing can be very simple, I think its hard to actually make a unique mix, which Deadmau5 always amazes me as how he can be extremely... un original.

He was an interesting artist back in 07, but apart from that, boring, and like some one else said here, no one will remember him in 10 years, or, the opposite will happen, and many will adore him like Tiesto.. and just like Tiesto, Deadmau5 is very overrated.

A good Dj, puts work into his sets, plays NEW music, electronic music is always evolving, within the massive crowds that really honest to god actually appreciate the music, the concepts, the ingenuity within genres.. all know this... that its all about the new, this doesnt mean new artists, it means, what new material the artists have to give, and Deadmau5, gives fantastic horse shit.
 
toa$t said:
any idiot can pick out a bunch of great tracks and play a great set.
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I disagree. again I think the magic (that sounds soo cheesy) of many mixes are just that, the selection, and thats very important.

Take a look at John Digweeds transition albums, specifically volume 3. Its a great selection that goes very well, not ANY person can pick out songs and put them together as simple as that, I dont think its that easy. The mix is old, as hell, but thats not my point.

I dont think anybody can make an excellent mix just like that, puff. alas...

Deadmau5, as well as Tiesto, do have talent, they have created their own songs.. so proops, but that doesnt mean their amazing or great.... or even good at what they do... at least, in the eyes of many, like me.

Just because they have played shows where thousands show up doesnt mean they know what the fuck their doing. Yea, they now how to mix, and play their old songs over, and over, and over, again... but its not the same as a new comer, or a well know dj, who actually put a lot of effort into mixing something unique.

Their paid a lot of money, and probably party hard, to give them mad respect for that, as well as massive proops, I think, is stupid.

at least, thats my opinion.
 
I think some good.. well known.. Djs are people like John Digweed, Lee Burridge (although lately he hasnt been coming up with anything original)... the Tiefschwarz duo, Richie Hawtin...(yep, him), Steve Lawler.

They are ALL well known djs and that!!! doesnt mean their good, their good because they do put effort into putting on a unique show, playing new music, each having their own unique concept they want to show everyone else, as well as making people have a good time, thats what makes a good dj, and thats why, all those are well known... and there are many, underground djs, who are also great, who I think, will one day get the credit they deserve.
 
toa$t said:
buttholepleasures, go learn to spin. then go learn to produce original music. then tell me which is harder.
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what does that have to do with anything I just said?

Like I said, proops, they make some their own songs, but that doesnt mean the songs are any good, certainly not original. Deadmau5 uses some of the same loops over and over and over again with many of his songs.

It takes a certain degree of talent to make their own songs, it sure does, but they are nowhere near the artistic level of other artists and Djs, nowhere.

I tried downloading a Deadmau5 mix from the opening space ibiza? party of 2009, I cant remember what month it was... just try and take a few minutes of your time to listen to it. His selections are a mishmash of the pretentious, the obvious, and just plain bad taste. Just because he can use a synthesizer or a computer program to make a song doesnt mean he should be considered a "great" or even better than someone who Djs or produces to make something original, unique, or to be more precise, art.

Deadmau5, Tiesto, and many other celebrated Djs and "artists" are extremely overrated, just because they can MAKE something, or because it takes some effort, mean, that their any good.

what so ever
 
buttholepleasures said:
It takes a certain degree of talent to make their own songs, it sure does, but they are nowhere near the artistic level of other artists and Djs, nowhere.
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what's a proop?
 
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