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Bupe Ok subs are kind of a win-lose for me... Any thoughts would be greatly appreciated

BigSlick

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Was planning to detox from oxy again, started day 1, 24 hours in I decided I didn't have another detox left in me and ran to a sub doctor for the first time ever, the w/d wasn't even that bad I was just being a baby. I had detoxed a week prior for 10 days, relapsed for a week, then had 2 consecutive 24 hours clean so I'm not sure how bad the w/d would have even been anyways.

First day he gives me 4mg, I'm so fuking high I can barely keep my eyes open long enough to finish reading a text message. Full nod. He had handed me another 4mg to take home for if the first didn't stop the w/d then wrote me a script for 8mg a day for the weekend since he'd be out of office I could go do a supervised swallow at the pharmacy.

I realize 8mg would make me RETARDED high so instead I used the extra 4mg yesterday morning and didn't bother picking up my script. It got me nearly as high if not worse then the first day.

Now I am here about 36 hours since my last 4mg, I didn't pick up my 8mg dose today for fear of death. I have zero w/d and all day today I felt normal as fuk. Tanned, went to the dog park, visited a friend, all the shit I would never have done previously because I was high.

Now I loved the feeling of today, and dreaded the feeling of yesterday and being on a nod, even as a 140mg a day oxy user I always HATED getting high to the point of nodding and would just run a nice buzz.

I know half life is crazy long on subs so is that 4mg from yesterday morning still blocking my w/d? Honestly the w/d wasn't even that bad compared to past times, I was just not in a good spot mentally because my gf is leaving my ass right now and I can't afford to go on a pill binge I need to be focused mentally and financially. I also wasn't in a position to miss any more work.

Should I ask to drop my dose to 2mg and see if that works or just man it the fuk up and try to go clean for a bit?

Anybody want to give some insight to this? My brain doesn't seem to be able to process everything to make a good decision right now. Basically I want to feel normal and I have between now and monday morning to get there. Whether that means cutting my dose in half or praying the w/d is not bad enough to keep me from work I don't know. I would prefer NOT to be on subs 100% but right now I need to be level headed so if that's what it's going to take for a bit then so be it.
 
If I were you I would only take it when you need it or you risk getting addicted. When you first start taking it you feel fine for 2-3 days after taking it due to the long half life but after a while it doesn't last as long so you need it every 12 hours or 24hours If 4mgs made you that high then I would drip down to 2mgs a day you can take it once a day or try every other day cause that does work for some people who process drugs slowly they can feel good taking suboxone every 2nd day. Then there's me who takes it every 6 hours cause my metabolism is so fast.

Or you could take 1mg everyday see how that works because if you keep taking high dose sub it won't do anything for you after taking it for a while and your tolerance will be higher than you ever imagined while taking oxycodone.
 
I've just switched to subs from methadone (120mg/day), im scriped 12mg sub every Am..anyways I dont even feel when I take my doses really.Its weird, it keep me from being sick, but that is it. Im used to not really being able to get high cuz of maintaining on methadone and shit, but atleast when I dosed my 'done I would get some energy boost for a couple hours, and would usually always have pinned pupils.

Now being on Suboxone, I dont get any benifit from it, no " energy boost", no buzz, no really even feel good, no pinned pupils... I dont get it?
 
I've just switched to subs from methadone (120mg/day), im scriped 12mg sub every Am..anyways I dont even feel when I take my doses really.Its weird, it keep me from being sick, but that is it. Im used to not really being able to get high cuz of maintaining on methadone and shit, but atleast when I dosed my 'done I would get some energy boost for a couple hours, and would usually always have pinned pupils.

Now being on Suboxone, I dont get any benifit from it, no " energy boost", no buzz, no really even feel good, no pinned pupils... I dont get it?
Yea I got that too when on a high dose of 8mgs but when I tapered down to 1mg like I'm at now I started getting real high and a great energy boost. So taper down to 2mgs or 1mgs you will feel great. I felt fuck all on 8mgs but on 0.3mgs I feel like I took a couple percs or a handful of vicadon every time I dose. I take 0.3 mgs 3 times a day and I feel great have no interest in methadone or heroin at all this actually feels better than heroin did I would choose bupe over any opiate these days its so good at microgram doses its unbelievable you just got to taper down from your high dose go down 2mgs every week or sum thing
 
Ya, I do get more of a glow from the lower doses also BUT I have upped my dose again to 12-16mg(prescribed 16mg) a day recently..have been getting really bad cravings and higher doses work more with cravings with me instead of lower doses...just need to get my benzo 'in control'. As in, not get physically dependent on the fuckers, gotta ask my doctor about them next apt, but she might find it odd I'm asking after being with her for like 8 months... oh, and if you are going to use benzo's on Subs ask your doc for it, it will make it easier on you with instead of trying to hide it from the doctor and always worried about some benzo's long ass half life screwing you over...
 
Yea I got that too when on a high dose of 8mgs but when I tapered down to 1mg like I'm at now I started getting real high and a great energy boost. So taper down to 2mgs or 1mgs you will feel great. I felt fuck all on 8mgs but on 0.3mgs I feel like I took a couple percs or a handful of vicadon every time I dose. I take 0.3 mgs 3 times a day and I feel great have no interest in methadone or heroin at all this actually feels better than heroin did I would choose bupe over any opiate these days its so good at microgram doses its unbelievable you just got to taper down from your high dose go down 2mgs every week or sum thing

Bupe is definitely unique in it's dosing effects. I've yet to meet a doctor who understands it or understands how to taper off. They all think they do though.
 
Bupe is definitely unique in it's dosing effects. I've yet to meet a doctor who understands it or understands how to taper off. They all think they do though.

yea they all do eh? they drop lots of people off at 3mgs 2mgs and 1mgs all the time thinking that is a real low dose of opiates but in reality its a lot of fuckin opiates to be jumping off a taper from. they all push doses like 24mgs to people who took 100-200mgs of oxycodone a day.
and sp many docs prescribe 32mgs or even 40 sometimes they give em an extra 8 a day and write take IF needed its like holy fuck how do you shit on a dose like that!?

I hate putting doctors down or saying I know more than them about something cause having WI-FI is not the same as going to medical school lol but in this case its actually true they don't hardly study this drug and how it works if any before getting a licence to prescribe it to people and its ended up being so mis understood. I cringe whenever I hear of someone who takes doses of 16mgs or 24mgs cause I had a bowel impaction on 8mgs or was It 12? anyways it wasn't fun I ended up needing surgery to get it removed.
 
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yea they all do eh? they drop lots of people off at 3mgs 2mgs and 1mgs all the time thinking that is a real low dose of opiates but in reality its a lot of fuckin opiates to be jumping off a taper from. they all push doses like 24mgs to people who took 100-200mgs of oxycodone a day.
and sp many docs prescribe 32mgs or even 40 sometimes they give em an extra 8 a day and write take IF needed its like holy fuck how do you shit on a dose like that!?

I hate putting doctors down or saying I know more than them about something cause having WI-FI is not the same as going to medical school lol but in this case its actually true they don't hardly study this drug and how it works if any before getting a licence to prescribe it to people and its ended up being so mis understood. I cringe whenever I hear of someone who takes doses of 16mgs or 24mgs cause I had a bowel impaction on 8mgs or was It 12? anyways it wasn't fun I ended up needing surgery to get it removed.

Medical school doesn't spend any appreciable time on opioids, my friend. Or pharmacology, for that matter.
 
yea they all do eh? they drop lots of people off at 3mgs 2mgs and 1mgs all the time thinking that is a real low dose of opiates but in reality its a lot of fuckin opiates to be jumping off a taper from. they all push doses like 24mgs to people who took 100-200mgs of oxycodone a day.
and sp many docs prescribe 32mgs or even 40 sometimes they give em an extra 8 a day and write take IF needed its like holy fuck how do you shit on a dose like that!?

I hate putting doctors down or saying I know more than them about something cause having WI-FI is not the same as going to medical school lol but in this case its actually true they don't hardly study this drug and how it works if any before getting a licence to prescribe it to people and its ended up being so mis understood. I cringe whenever I hear of someone who takes doses of 16mgs or 24mgs cause I had a bowel impaction on 8mgs or was It 12? anyways it wasn't fun I ended up needing surgery to get it removed.

I'm definitely not going to sit here and pretend I know as much as a doctor who went to a legitimate medical school. With that said, a lot of them don't full understand the strength of suboxone. A lot of them don't have personally experience with it. Also, suboxone really hasn't been prescribed that long and a lot of doctors haven't had patients taper off yet. A few years ago I was on 2mg a day and I did a long slow taper and got clean. All on my own doing. All on my own taper schedule that designed after researching the drug more. I was the first person my doctor had who had gotten off suboxone and apparently I had already been one of his lowest dosing patients. I had started on 8-10mg there, but quickly went down to 4-5mg and then after a couple of months went down to 2mg. In most cases taking 8mg after you've had some time after the initial switch is usually too much imo. Doctors view that as a 'low' dose, and it's really not.


At my sub doctor I go to now part of the program is going to a weekly group meeting they have at their office and meeting with therapist who is working with the other doctor. One woman in there initially got on suboxone a few years ago after having trouble getting off hydrocodone after some surgery. She was on about 2mg most of the time and had gone down to 0.5mg before jumping off. She said she couldn't make it though and ended up going back to a sub doctor, except she had to go to a new one, which is the one she's at now. The first thing my doctor did was push her back up to 2mg. Of course she's going to feel ok after going back up 4 times the dose! I feel so bad for the woman because she doesn't need to be on that high of a dose and if doctors had appropriately understood how to taper off the medicine and maybe prescribed her something to help with the taper/WD then she would be clean from opiates now. Instead she's back on 2mg and meeting up with a bunch of people who were buying smack and oxys off the street. She just seems out of place there and I feel like she's just there because she doesn't have a choice. Pretty negligent of the doctors imo.
 
I would advise to keep on the subs at the lowest dose you need. If you can pick them up and take them at home unsupervised, you can have a split dose. So, try taking 2mg then waiting until you feel you need the next 2mg. Even if it is hard to break the tablets just do your best to space it out.
If you have to go daily to the chemist, then get the doctor to bring your dose down to 2 or 4. You should be able to go up later if necessary. After the initial buzz for a week or two, 2mg may not be enough. You'll only know with experience.

I heard that lower doses more often are actually better than higher doses once a day due to bupe's unique pharmacology.

Good luck. If you feel you need the stability don't feel bad about staying on bupe for a while. People who have been on opiate substitution for a long time (puts hand up. 14 years) will say get off it as soon as you're detoxed. But I think it helps the initial merry go round of detox/relapse, and helps to get your life on track. It's after you've kicked the psychological addiction that you need to think about coming off bupe/methadone. That seems to be the part where people put it off! Seriously, do what keeps you clean and healthy, whatever that may be.
 
How much oxy were you taking? If you got that high off the bupe, you must have had a very small tolerance. You probably need literally less than 1mg.

If your habit was that low, you should have just tapered on the oxy and stopped.. because starting on bupe like that, at those doses, you're just going to end up 10x worse off than you were as bupe is much more potent and your withdrawals from that are going to be way worse than had you just stopped a small oxy habit. That's like taking a 5 pound weight on your back and replacing it with a 100 pound boulder.. :\
 
I'm definitely not going to sit here and pretend I know as much as a doctor who went to a legitimate medical school. With that said, a lot of them don't full understand the strength of suboxone. A lot of them don't have personally experience with it. Also, suboxone really hasn't been prescribed that long and a lot of doctors haven't had patients taper off yet. A few years ago I was on 2mg a day and I did a long slow taper and got clean. All on my own doing. All on my own taper schedule that designed after researching the drug more. I was the first person my doctor had who had gotten off suboxone and apparently I had already been one of his lowest dosing patients. I had started on 8-10mg there, but quickly went down to 4-5mg and then after a couple of months went down to 2mg. In most cases taking 8mg after you've had some time after the initial switch is usually too much imo. Doctors view that as a 'low' dose, and it's really not.


At my sub doctor I go to now part of the program is going to a weekly group meeting they have at their office and meeting with therapist who is working with the other doctor. One woman in there initially got on suboxone a few years ago after having trouble getting off hydrocodone after some surgery. She was on about 2mg most of the time and had gone down to 0.5mg before jumping off. She said she couldn't make it though and ended up going back to a sub doctor, except she had to go to a new one, which is the one she's at now. The first thing my doctor did was push her back up to 2mg. Of course she's going to feel ok after going back up 4 times the dose! I feel so bad for the woman because she doesn't need to be on that high of a dose and if doctors had appropriately understood how to taper off the medicine and maybe prescribed her something to help with the taper/WD then she would be clean from opiates now. Instead she's back on 2mg and meeting up with a bunch of people who were buying smack and oxys off the street. She just seems out of place there and I feel like she's just there because she doesn't have a choice. Pretty negligent of the doctors imo.

Yea that's crazy hydrocodone is do much weaker than suboxone I feel higher taking .2 of buprenorphine than I do taking 2-3 vicadone at once most cases of hydrocodone addiction don't need matinence especially just from needing then after surgery and taking then as prescribed. There's other drugs that can help things like codeine or hydrocodone withdrawal that are not opiates and that wont get you hooked on the stuff even more.

I found it so weird when I had my bowel impaction I was at 12mgs prescribed sometimes I only took 8 cause that's all I needed I just wanted some extra each day but anyways I told my doc I want to lower my dose that 12mgs is too high to live on and she refused to lower my dose she actually tried to up the dose on me to 16mg!! She said the constipation can be taken care of that I need to be sure I won't relapse so higher doses are still needed. I said but ive been taking lactulose daily over the daily reccomded limit along with 10 bisacodyl (ducelax) pills and nothing will come out i cant keep this up I feel worse everyday walking around feeling like i got pointed shards of glass in my rectum.

I argued a bit nicely of course but eventually she said she will write me 12mgs again and to ask my family doctor why I'm having stomach issues and that suboxne shouldn't be causing this even though I shit fine before it my whole life never needing a laxative. I had tests done and what do you know it was chronic opiate use causing loss of peristalsis in the intestinal tract who would have thought:X

I had to do my own taper as I got only one witness day a week so I stayed at that dose along time unable to lower my prescription cause my doc advised against it even though I paid a fortune for the pills. All I had to do was take it twice a day I went from 4mg twice a day to 2mgs twice a day right away without any symptoms all I needed was a split dose and less medication was needed to hold me. Even today I've only got down to 10 mg prescribed but I take 1-2mgs a day I just take 6mgs in front of a pharmacist once A week which I spit out when leaving the place and I just have a stockpile now I guess that's good I'm not on a tight leash with the pharmacy and doctors.
 
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How long does it take lower doses to start working?I've heard many times that lower doses do work much better.
I take 16mg/day and lower doses do not seem to work.
How long between doses at 2mg or 1mg?
 
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I've always loved Hydrocodone, even though I have to take more pills, and you can't shoot or snort them but a high dose of Hydro always had me feeling good. Was actually suprised, about a week ago I had been taking really low doses of my Sub so I could go out and get high, couldn't find anything but Norco's took 70mg with 2mg of klonopin I think and was feeling really good, really wasn't expecting to feel anything off that dose because I still had bupe in my system. Anyway, that's crazy that you got that much constipation from the bupe! I mean, I get constipated at higher doses also but damn..and what a stupid ass doctor of yours to try to up your dose when your complaining about being constipated, that's crazy!!
 
When you lowered to 1-2mg how long did it take for you to realize less is much better.What dosage was you originally prescribed?
 
How long does it take lower doses to start working?I've heard many times that lower doses do work much better.
I take 16mg/day and lower doses do not seem to work.
How long between doses at 2mg or 1mg?

You gotta taper yourself I didn't go over night from 12 to 1 it was a little while although what did help me cut my dose in half was to take it twice a day I went from 8 once a day to 4 mgs taken in two doses a day (2mgs twice a day)Right away then stayed there for a month then moved down once I was used to that until I got to 1mg took me few months. U can not just one day start low doses after you raised your tolerance so high taking 16mgs your tolerance has already been shot through the roof taking such high dose opiates if you stopped heroin then went on sub you could do it but you raised your tolerance getting on a huge dose of sub so now you gotta lower it which takes some tine
 
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You gotta taper yourself I didn't go over night from 12 to 1 it was a little while although what did help me cut my dose in half was to take it twice a day I went from 8 once a day to 4 mgs taken in two doses a day (2mgs twice a day)Right away then stayed there for a month then moved down once I was used to that until I got to 1mg took me few months. U can not just one day start low doses after you raised your tolerance so high taking 16mgs your tolerance has already been shot through the roof taking such high dose opiates if you stopped heroin then went on sub you could do it but you raised your tolerance getting on a huge dose of sub so now you gotta lower it which takes some tine

Thanks.
I'm going to try what your suggesting.All over the net I've seen many who taper,for whatever reason,then claim overall that lower doses just seem to work much better.
It makes sense for only 0.2mg is needed for moderate pain relief.
16mg does mess with my stomach and my intestines.Pains in middle of night,just a feeling of stomach is in a type of shut down.
 
You gotta taper yourself I didn't go over night from 12 to 1 it was a little while although what did help me cut my dose in half was to take it twice a day I went from 8 once a day to 4 mgs taken in two doses a day (2mgs twice a day)Right away then stayed there for a month then moved down once I was used to that until I got to 1mg took me few months. U can not just one day start low doses after you raised your tolerance so high taking 16mgs your tolerance has already been shot through the roof taking such high dose opiates if you stopped heroin then went on sub you could do it but you raised your tolerance getting on a huge dose of sub so now you gotta lower it which takes some tine

Thanks.
I'm going to try what your suggesting.All over the net I've seen many who taper,for whatever reason,then claim overall that lower doses just seem to work much better.
It makes sense for only 0.2mg is needed for moderate pain relief.
16mg does mess with my stomach and my intestines.Pains in middle of night,just a feeling of stomach is in a type of shut down.
 
Ask your doctor to drop your dose if it is too much for 24 hours. Coming off it's pretty easy too if you have the right meds too. I wouldn't go through the potential pain of tapering, I'm coming off at 24mg and I'm ok really.
 
Thanks.
I'm going to try what your suggesting.All over the net I've seen many who taper,for whatever reason,then claim overall that lower doses just seem to work much better.
It makes sense for only 0.2mg is needed for moderate pain relief.
16mg does mess with my stomach and my intestines.Pains in middle of night,just a feeling of stomach is in a type of shut down.

Yea man I don't reccomed staying at 16 if your stomachs like that it doesn't get better really it gets worse a lot of the time. and there's no need to stay at such a large dose when you can taper down painlessly to 2 or so mgs and get the same effect as the larger dose and feel even better without side effects along with energy boost/pain relief /euphoria.
 
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