whats up guys. just some quick info i dont do any drugs anymore with the exception of G. i only use it once in a blue moon, at music festivals and such. i like the feeling, plus its cheap, no side effects and i experience no comedown/hangover. but i have a few questions. is juice in melbourne typically GBL or 1,4-B? im in the western suburbs by the way. is there anyway to distinguish between them? all i can say is the stuff i get looks clear like water, and tastes like solvent. also, if i take low dose 1ml-1.5ml, its a nice subtle feeling, while if i take 2ml it gets me kinda messy, headspins, taking fast, moving aorund alot etc. also..how bad are these chemicals for you? i heard off someone that using juice 5 times increases your risk of cancer by 50%!? is it really that carcinogenic? any help would be appreciated...cheers!
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OK, so i have a few questions about G in melbourne...
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theysayrollingsfun
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I read a thread on this not long ago; http://www.bluelight.ru/vb/showthread.php?t=80348
From what I remember 1,4-B will freeze when put in the fridge and gbl will stay as a liquid. They all have slight variations in taste that I think only a seasoned user would be able to notice.
You would see such a change because g has a very low response threshold, meaning that it really could be that extra .5 ml that makes the difference to 'blowing out' or being fine.
With regards to the health side of things, I don't think it is very bad for you at all, when not abused of course, which is why it makes it such a habit forming drug because there are little to no side effects.
I know a few guys I used to be friends with and they all drink that shit like it's water. On the outside he looks fine but there's no telling what's happening on the inside. People may develop anxiety related issues due to excessive use of g, that said, I think you would be fine to use g 8 times a year.
Stay safe.
From what I remember 1,4-B will freeze when put in the fridge and gbl will stay as a liquid. They all have slight variations in taste that I think only a seasoned user would be able to notice.
You would see such a change because g has a very low response threshold, meaning that it really could be that extra .5 ml that makes the difference to 'blowing out' or being fine.
With regards to the health side of things, I don't think it is very bad for you at all, when not abused of course, which is why it makes it such a habit forming drug because there are little to no side effects.
I know a few guys I used to be friends with and they all drink that shit like it's water. On the outside he looks fine but there's no telling what's happening on the inside. People may develop anxiety related issues due to excessive use of g, that said, I think you would be fine to use g 8 times a year.
Stay safe.
WitchfinderGeneral
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^^^very good topic linked.
I've come across both GBL and 1,4-B in Melbourne. I haven't used it much in the last year or so, but I recall one having a saltier taste, one having a more chemical taste. Can't remember which was which, unfortunately. GHB is naturally occuring in the body (in the CNS, I think?), but I found after heavy, frequent use, I was feeling 'fried', and wasn't functioning too well. Use it sparingly, and you should be ok, assuming you don't blow out.
I've come across both GBL and 1,4-B in Melbourne. I haven't used it much in the last year or so, but I recall one having a saltier taste, one having a more chemical taste. Can't remember which was which, unfortunately. GHB is naturally occuring in the body (in the CNS, I think?), but I found after heavy, frequent use, I was feeling 'fried', and wasn't functioning too well. Use it sparingly, and you should be ok, assuming you don't blow out.
thanks for the help guys, it seems the general consensus is that if i use sparingly i should be ok. hmm..the only thing troubling me is the link to anxiety disorders...i went through a severe rough patch with depression/extreme anxiety/OCD a while ago but with medication and self help i overcame it and im pretty much 100% myself again. im still on medication (lexapro, 10mg), so i hope G doesnt trigger anything off again? it doesnt seem to, i feel fine when i use it. i wont ever use it heavily or frequently.
oh yeah, i dont think ill ever blow out to be honest, iv used around 4-5 times this year and i havent even come close. i usually start with 1.5ml to 2ml (usually 2ml if iv had the batch before) and then just take between 1ml to 1.5ml depending how i feel every hour after that. i never charge in less than an hour so blowing out shouldnt be a problem
oh yeah, i dont think ill ever blow out to be honest, iv used around 4-5 times this year and i havent even come close. i usually start with 1.5ml to 2ml (usually 2ml if iv had the batch before) and then just take between 1ml to 1.5ml depending how i feel every hour after that. i never charge in less than an hour so blowing out shouldnt be a problem
MrIbis
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Here is something you should note:
1,4-b commonly found on the streets is not pure. impure 1,4-b WILL NOT FREEZE. Water dilution sends the freezing level wayyy out of whack.
GBL/GHB will not freeze in a cold conditions.
A fridge isn't required, as the level of cold is actually generally too cold to judge how pure it is. Left outside at night without heat - between 13-20 degrees c 1,4-b should slowly become a solid, keep in mind, thawing it takes time, and is a right pain in the arse when you're dealling with amounts like litres plus. It must be hot/warm water bathed for several hours (though probably only about 20-30 minutes in amounts like 20ml).
I wouldn't bother with that test.
Best bet is to know your dosages of the pure substance, and work it from there when you take something from the street (chances are unless they're fucking cutting it with rohypnol you'll be fine up til 3ml-ish)
G won't cause you to have anxiety unless you do it day in day out for a week or so... then the withdrawal can be pretty harsh. It's GABAergic which generally translates to anxiolytic and anti-convulsive.
Be Safe, Be Smart - and don't do anything i wouldn't do
1,4-b commonly found on the streets is not pure. impure 1,4-b WILL NOT FREEZE. Water dilution sends the freezing level wayyy out of whack.
GBL/GHB will not freeze in a cold conditions.
A fridge isn't required, as the level of cold is actually generally too cold to judge how pure it is. Left outside at night without heat - between 13-20 degrees c 1,4-b should slowly become a solid, keep in mind, thawing it takes time, and is a right pain in the arse when you're dealling with amounts like litres plus. It must be hot/warm water bathed for several hours (though probably only about 20-30 minutes in amounts like 20ml).
I wouldn't bother with that test.
Best bet is to know your dosages of the pure substance, and work it from there when you take something from the street (chances are unless they're fucking cutting it with rohypnol you'll be fine up til 3ml-ish)
G won't cause you to have anxiety unless you do it day in day out for a week or so... then the withdrawal can be pretty harsh. It's GABAergic which generally translates to anxiolytic and anti-convulsive.
Be Safe, Be Smart - and don't do anything i wouldn't do
theysayrollingsfun
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MrIbis
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Not alot to be brutally honest... It's more like, don't do anything i haven't done or commented on
From personal experience:
GBL has quite a different taste to 1,4b and GHB. GBL tends to burn your mouth and the back of your throat if you don't dilute it in something before you swallow it, so if you're using a plunger expect to feel a burn.
1,4b has more of a plastic taste to it. GHB is more salty.
GBL has quite a different taste to 1,4b and GHB. GBL tends to burn your mouth and the back of your throat if you don't dilute it in something before you swallow it, so if you're using a plunger expect to feel a burn.
1,4b has more of a plastic taste to it. GHB is more salty.
MrIbis
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Depends on the synth route for GHB, GHB produced by GBL+ Sodium Hydroxide (NaOH) method will produce Sodium GHB (Na-GHB)... Potassium GHB (K-GHB) is said to have a licorice like taste.
thanks for all the responses guys, very helpful. yeah i do use a plunger and just squirt straight into my throat, and i dont experience any burn. guess it does taste plasticy..so im leaning towards 1,4-B. but just once again, does anyone know whether the G in western suburbs typically tends to be GBL or 1,4-B? or is it 50/50 kinda thing...
MrIbis
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1,4-b is far more common in Australia.. especially melbourne... Why?
Simple. 1,4-b is diverted from the PBT industrial plastics industry (used as a plasticizer in making car bumpers and what not). GBLs use in the industry is much further removed from the mainstream, in cosmetics and hair products from what i've used, also it's traded under different names (on the products ingredients) so only those schooled in such things would be able to tell..
GBL is commonly imported by ambitious young kids, and sold on those grounds to the small circle surrounding the lucky kid who got a Litre in.
So it really depends. GBL definately does taste FAR worse, and burns like acetone or similar (it is a lactone after all). So be forewarned about that. When i was doing GBL way back when, we diluted the pure 33% with water to remove the burning effect.. still tasted like arse though.
Also note the different in potency between GBL and 1,4-B is about 60%. GBL having an equivalence to GHB powder of about 1.6g to the mL and 1,4-b being equipotent at 1:1 ratio of mL to grams.
Hope all of that helps somewhat. From here though, no one can tell you what you have, but if i had to take a stab in the dark, i'd say 1,4-b based on your comments and my market knowledge.
Simple. 1,4-b is diverted from the PBT industrial plastics industry (used as a plasticizer in making car bumpers and what not). GBLs use in the industry is much further removed from the mainstream, in cosmetics and hair products from what i've used, also it's traded under different names (on the products ingredients) so only those schooled in such things would be able to tell..
GBL is commonly imported by ambitious young kids, and sold on those grounds to the small circle surrounding the lucky kid who got a Litre in.
So it really depends. GBL definately does taste FAR worse, and burns like acetone or similar (it is a lactone after all). So be forewarned about that. When i was doing GBL way back when, we diluted the pure 33% with water to remove the burning effect.. still tasted like arse though.
Also note the different in potency between GBL and 1,4-B is about 60%. GBL having an equivalence to GHB powder of about 1.6g to the mL and 1,4-b being equipotent at 1:1 ratio of mL to grams.
Hope all of that helps somewhat. From here though, no one can tell you what you have, but if i had to take a stab in the dark, i'd say 1,4-b based on your comments and my market knowledge.
WitchfinderGeneral
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^^^^Ahhh, the burn. I learned early on to carry a bottle of water. Not fun, otherwise.
Good to hear. Still, be careful, particularly with new batches and when redosing while still buzzing. I know of plenty of experienced users who have accidentally hit the deck.
^Saying that you won't blow out is the first step towards going down. :D
I've only had a few blow outs, and all of them were accidental. Drinking out of the wrong glass of coke, rinsing the last of the wrong bottle (which was around 10mL mind you). It happens. If you've got people around that know how to handle the situation you've not nothing to worry about. I've never been in a situation where an Ambulance was called, and I've seen some pretty bad ones.
Try to keep them up and active, and if they're determined to hit the deck - keep them on their side and keep them awake.
But of course if ever in doubt, grab the phone.
I've only had a few blow outs, and all of them were accidental. Drinking out of the wrong glass of coke, rinsing the last of the wrong bottle (which was around 10mL mind you). It happens. If you've got people around that know how to handle the situation you've not nothing to worry about. I've never been in a situation where an Ambulance was called, and I've seen some pretty bad ones.
Try to keep them up and active, and if they're determined to hit the deck - keep them on their side and keep them awake.
But of course if ever in doubt, grab the phone.
yeah, iv seen my fair share of mates blowing out, not pretty at all. its freaky as how they just snap out of it and didnt even realise they were blowing out. ehh i dont think things like that will happen to me..i mean as always anything can happen, but no one i know mixes g into their drinks, everyone just has it straight with a plunger...mixing in drinks is asking for disaster...
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theysayrollingsfun
Bluelighter
No different to hitting the piss hard and waking up in someone else/your own bed, IMO. Only difference is, when you blow out on G you don't feel like rat shit when you wake up.
Alcohol on the other hand, we have a love/hate relationship.
