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Official Paedo Discussion Megathread v2

Tessa Jowell has...

There's nothing to defend her against, other than one newspaper's attempt to sully somebody's character by rescuscitatin a non-story.
The Mail knows that paedophilia gets them circulation, and they'll ruthlessly exploit any angle they can find.

Actually, let's post the rest of the Tom Carroll (Radio 4 Today programme) quote you posted a little bit of earlier:

The support didn't come from Harman and co but it was there. The gay liberation front was very radical and at that time Harman and Patricia Hewitt couldn't just kick out PIE. Well, they could both try but they didn't even try and the reason they didn't try is they didn't want to rock the boat because their careers within NCCL depended on them not rocking the boat too much.
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So Carroll explicitly says that Harman didn't support PIE, whereas you're quoting the same interview to suggest that he in fact did.
 
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maxalfie said:
I do find it funny how her fellow Mps are hardly falling over themselves to defend her.
Funny that.
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on political satire shows whenever a PM says "XXXXX has my full support" then within a few days he sacks them. A politicians word is worth nothing. Things change day by day, and they nearly allways worm themselves out of things one way or another. Except when there's just been too many gaffs and bad judgement calls, and the pressure for them to fuck off out of it has just become too much. So far David Cameron has escaped that, unlike Labours last 2 leaders who were plagued. Blair had no one but himself to blaim, but i think Brown was a bit hard done by tbh. He seemed to be a relatively decent and honest guy for a PM.
 
In your quote it says that she could have tried to kick them out but she didn't try to because she was more worried about her career than a nonce group.
 
maxalfie said:
In your quote it says that she could have tried to kick them out but she didn't try to because she was more worried about her career than a nonce group.
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Do you not see that the fact that she wanted to expel them means that she didn't endorse or encourage their activities? Or that their activities as NCCL affiliates basically amounted to getting behind the organisation's anti-censorship banner in order to advance their own interests?

Do you not agree that this 'link' gets more and more tenuous the more thoroughly you examine it?
 
maxalfie said:
But where does it say she wanted to expel them Sam?
That quote says that she didn't try to.
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* sigh *

The quote strongly implies that she wanted to but the organisational structure imposed restrictions which she would have to 'rock the boat' in order to bypass. Whereas you cut it off at a point where the implication was the opposite.

I really think you need to stop reading UK Nonce Hunt, or whatever the website's called.
 
I don't think we are going to change each others view of this Sam.
I for one would not be happy to be a member of a group that took cash from peadophiles over a number of years and not try to expel them for fear of rocking the boat.
To me that just illustrates that she was more concerned about her career than abuse of children.
 
Again, you're implying that failure to oppose PIE's public activities (i.e. campaigning against the 'censorship' of 'non-harmful' pornographic images of children) is tantamount to supporting the abuse of children. It isn't.

But you're right; we won't agree. I'm more concerned with reviewing the actual evidence of Harman's involvement with the group, and to me (as is the case with many others, the majority of the British press included) there isn't anything beyond the most vague and circumstantial.
 
I doubt if HH really "condoned" PIE BUT! a little glance thru some well known conspiracy sites will tell you that dodgy sexual activity is standard practice among many in the higher echelons of society. I think that there are many of them turning a blind eye to real bad stuff in the same style as the workers at the BBC. There is a sad thing about politicians that it doesn't matter what the opposition says, the other opposition will always say the opposite. They will justify any belief or action to themselves in a true Jesuit style. (or bag head style) There are loads of weird groups affiliated and endorsed by other weird groups and because they have mayve one common aim they get cozy with each other without question. This is why kiddiwinks, it's best not to be associated with or in any groups.
 
Child abuse -- be it sexual, physical or emotional -- seems to be baked right into the English Public School System.

It doesn't help that (1) the System sets itself up as a kind of island, out of the scrutiny of the rest of the world; and (2) some of those educated in such a system must end up thinking that behaviour is normal.

So you have a situation where kids -- many of whom will grow up into positions of power -- are being abused within an insular portion of the educational system, while those on the outside laugh and joke about such things in a way that suggests they don't believe it is really happening.

The only solution is going to be, firstly, to acknowledge that something is rotten in the state of Denmark; and then, to fling the doors wide open and shine the cold light of day into the murkiest corners. This may not be among the most realistic prospects in the world, so long as we are talking about the System that educated so many of our elected representatives.
 
BecomingJulie said:
Child abuse -- be it sexual, physical or emotional -- seems to be baked right into the English Public School System.
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Cameron aide arrested over child abuse images

A senior aide to David Cameron resigned from Downing Street last month the day before being arrested on allegations relating to child abuse images.

Patrick Rock, who was involved in drawing up the government's policy for the large internet firms on online pornography filters, resigned after No 10 was alerted to the allegations.

Rock was arrested at his west London flat the next morning.
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Sammy G said:
Does who protect paedos?

Has anybody ever protected paedos? :?
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Well, I think you'll find quite a few boys from children's homes in North Wales and Jersey who believe their attackers received some form of protection by means of their status.

Was Jimmy Savile not protected to some extent while he was alive?
 
The question was 'do they still protect paedos', which implies that 'they' (whoever 'they' are) protect all paedos regardless of whether they're celebrities or not.

Yes, it appears that Savile was quite probably shielded from public scrutiny due to his celebrity status, but that was more to do with his position as a powerful figure than it was his preference for having sex with children, wasn't it?

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Did they with Harman? I believe this guy has already stepped down,so will have to see how the story develops.
 
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