Official Heroin Discussion Thread IV

[scottd420]

I was able to find some shit earlier through a friend of mine. needless to say I was excited as hell to finally get high. anyway long story short I got myself 13 bags and was immediatly suspect of the quality of the shit when I opened the first bag. not only did it not have that wonderful aroma but it was also VERY VERY light in color...like almost pure white and the consistency was also strange...very very powdery like nothing I have seen before. I tasted it and it had a salty taste....needless to say it was shit and I got nothing out of it. I looked at some of the other bags and the color was more of a light grey with a "better consistency but when mixed with water it left ALOT of residue inthe spoon after sucking it into my spike through cotton. the solution was very milky and seemed to be VERY thick in the spoon before I sucked it back into the spike. Anyone have a clue as to why that may be? iis that something that is even possible or have I been totally fucked and given some wack shit?
Oh by the way the stamp was "peoples choice" and out of the original 13 bags I bought I have 3 remaining and I barely cought a slight buzz and am nowhere near nodding and certainly did not receive the head rush I crave. Please tell me what you guys think on this matter...

Also, does anyone have a suggestion as to how I can prevent this from transpiring in the future or a way that I can no that the shit Im getting is legit? Any and all help or suggestion would be greatly appreciated....Im fucken heated as hell right now....

Sounds like you bought yourself a bundle of "Arm & Hammer" stamps, son! That fine bright white consistency makes me think this. Also, you said it tasted salty and left a lot of residue in the spoon--the salty taste is most likely from the sodium in the sodium bicarbonate (baking soda).

Also, I'm not sure if you use coke, but don't mix up any speed-balls with that shit, the coke would base out and turn solid (turn to crack), and you do not want to pump that into your veins if it doesn't end up clogging your rig. I watched a guy do that at my guys house before haha. Wasn't he pissed off .

Not sure about how your scene works, but if you can taste test and look at it, well, you'd be safer from buying bunk shit; but no one can detect percentages of cuts unless you're a Gas Chromatography/Mass Spectrometry machine--new idea for an iPhone application hahaha.

 

[flacky]

Had the perfect combination of heroin and weed last night. Nodded out while smoking a cigarette and the cigarette fell upside-down and lodged between my sock and shoe!

 

[tlks2Angels]

It always amuses me that people manage to develop a habit when their hook lives halfway across the state. Use some common sense.

Well for me I develope a habit where I live & where all my hook ups r...less than a week. Ago I had to leave to come to my current location....so its not that I I drive across state every time. I score lol ...im used 2 it being neighbors with my people. Once I go home next week ill b good.

Just wanted to clarify that. I'm not some wierdo driving hours at a time to score everyday and was dumb enoughto make it a habit. Lol.

 

[scottd420]

I used to get dope that looked a lot like that in Dolton IL, south of Chicago.. it was fuckin fire

Well, today was quite a journey.. For anyone who has been watching my posts about my journey to find a connect since i lost all of my old ones, this is the next chapter of my journey...

So I get with my buddy that i used to rip and roar with and he has the new number for one of my old connects. We hit him up and he says he'll be 2 hours and he could help us out.. So since it takes 40 minutes to get to the southside of Chicago from where we live, we decide to just head out 40 minutes before he gets back.. So we get out there and call our dude. The guy then says, I cant get ahold of my guy to re-up so call me back in a few hours. fuuuuuuuucccckkkkk. we shoulda expected that to happen. So as I was talkin about in my previous posts about just going to the south side and lookin around to just find some new connect off the streets since I couldnt get ahold of anyone anymore.. So thats what we did.

We started cruisin around all the spots on the southside that we thought would be good places to look. We stopped at McDonalds, gas stations, back alleys, anywhere we could think of. Since we are white in a black neighbor hood, anyone who knows anything about the drug game would know why we are there, or so we thought. So we cant find anything for hours. We stopped and asked bums or basically anyone who looked homeless and fucked up and offered them some money or dope if they could hook us up.. Some of them told us to get the fuck out of here, some of them just said i dont know, sorry. and most of them just ignored us. 3 hours has passed and our orginal connect who said hed hook us up was not answering his phone. we were starting to get hungry and about to just say fuck it and go home..

so i gave this big speech to my buddy who was with me about how theres dope right here. its right fuckin here but we just have to find it.. lets get somethin to eat from mcdonalds, chill for a minute, then continue our search for just another half hour. so we ate and came to the conclusion to just ask 1 more guy before we leave. so again we start cruisin the streets lookin for that guy who looks like a junky. after 15 or so minutes my buddy pulls the car over real fast cause he spots this guy that just looks like a guy to ask.

turns out this guy is a crack head and says he doesnt know where the boy is, he just smokes rock. so we say, well hey, we can give u a ride and help u out if u can put us in the right direction and find us some h.. hes like, alright man, ill see what i can do, i know a spot maybe. so he hops in my car and takes me to this corner with 12 or so dudes just chillin outside. hes like, STOP RIGHT HERE! this guy can probably help, i know this guy, hes my boy.. he hops out and talks to this dude for a minute. gets back in the car and tells us to turn down the alley and park.

after 4 hours or so of cruisin the streets on a wim lookin for nod, we found it. just as my hopes were all up, the last guy we decided to ask for the night hooked it up. we got a gram and tipped our new friend bruce a 20 for makin our night. the only downside was, we were tryin to get his boys number but he didnt wanna give it out so we didnt get a new connect but the dope was fuckin fire.

we got a fat ass gram that was a real light tan color and hard as a rock. the smell was unbelievably strong. i couldnt fuckin believe it. so i cooked up a small peice to test its potency and thats all i needed. it knocked me on my ass. i had to let my buddy drive us home cause i was noddin out like mad.

so my journey was a success.i just wish i got the dudes number. hopefully it wont have to come to that again and my dude will just be ready.

Bro, that story was fantastic! I read it and was super pumped by the end. I was looking for a read to get me pumped up for my shot--though not heroin, it is the closest thing I can find--of 12 mg of hydromorphone. By the end of your story I was almost drooling and ready to go haha! All in all, it was entertaining, thank you!

 

[flacky]

i know this effects some people..

$10,000-a-day heroin ring smashed, authorities say

I love how they put exact street names in there. It's like giving someone a map with BUY HEROIN HERE written on a massive arrow.

 

[scottd420]

I have a question for the seasoned heroin users here. It isn't directly pertaining to heroin, but is a rough comparison.

I am wondering if anyone here uses hydromorphone (Dilaudid)IV as well as IV heroin. I'm not looking for any exact numbers or anything, but what I am looking for is a dose comparison from hydromorphone (Dilaudid) to your average quality bag of H. Again, I know quality varies, this is why I ask someone who has had a chance to sample many different bags and basically has found an average feeling, not fire, not shit. So, for my question: I am wondering if someone could compare a shot of 12mg hydromorphone (Dilaudid) IV to a shot prepared with dope. Example: (Except for the given dose, we'll use the letter "X" instead of numbers for now.) 12 mg hydromorphone IV =~ X bags (.1g/100mg) of medium quality heroin IV.

I'd be interested to know, as in my area heroin seems to be non-existent. Even at the needle exchange most of the people you hear talking are either using hydromorphone (Dilaudid), morphine (M-Eslon, MS Contin), oxycodone (OxyContin), or cocaine HCl or crack (freebase), usually in the order listed. I know it's gotta be around some places, as I've heard stories of it being here in the 1970's-'80's.

Anyway, if anyone could provide me with a rough estimation, I would greatly appreciate it. Again, I'm not looking for exact numbers or trying to get scientific about it. Use your own opinion as I'm sure others will be different. The more input the better, so if someone has already answered, feel free to throw down what you think is the right amount.

 

[sumerian]

well, here in detroit we get pretty good quality, i can get whatever weight i want, never buy packs, i also have a connect in NYC Queens were i can get 90% pure China White. So, even when im in NYC i dont buy those stupid little packets. But, i guess you get what you pay for. Detroits quality is pretty good, we get a mix of everything, we usually get the "Nepal Grey" grey dope that is impeccable, price is always cheap too, also get alot of the south american brown, also have alot of the afghan brown... good mixture of all kinds, get alot of china white as well.. Anywhere you go in Detroit you can find it, i can open my window and have it brought right too me if i need it. One good thing about living in detroit is the easy access to anything. The crime and poverty is the negative thing. Ive lived here all my life so im used to it, been on the block for along time..

where you from scottd?? Dilaudid is a very strong drug, i would be careful around it, i would say that it isnt as strong as h is, but it comes close. I know that the high is different, h is a more upbeat high, not as tiresome as dilaudid is...idk, havent really messed with it much..

It always amuses me that people manage to develop a habit when their hook lives halfway across the state. Use some common sense.

you wouldnt believe how far people will drive. i have people that come to see me and live 2 hours away. when theres a will, theres a way...

 

[bagochina]

I love how they put exact street names in there. It's like giving someone a map with BUY HEROIN HERE written on a massive arrow.

Yeah it would seem like that but most people know what that area [westside] produces. That area is just a small 12 square block area. You can pretty much get dope on any street on the westside and it is pretty huge.

The New Breeds seem to have been pissing off the cops for awhile and wouldnt doubt if this stems from when they kept throwing fentanyl on the corners. It seems to have started right around this time and has stopped. Either that or they finally figured out how to properly cut it. They do seem to be trying to dismantle that operation but I guarantee you can still purchase dope in that 12 square block area, this very second.

http://www.bluelight.ru/vb/showthread.php?t=218606
http://www.bluelight.ru/vb/showthread.php?t=218892

I found this crazy story when I was finding the above link. Something to read.
http://www.bluelight.ru/vb/showthread.php?t=179890

peace.
seedless

 

[scottd420]

where you from scottd?? Dilaudid is a very strong drug, i would be careful around it, i would say that it isnt as strong as h is, but it comes close. I know that the high is different, h is a more upbeat high, not as tiresome as dilaudid is...idk, havent really messed with it much..

Hey Sumerian, I'm from the east coast of Canada. Like I mentioned there is 0 H around here, many older junkies have told me it has dried up, now all we have are pharms and coke/crack (tons of the white stuff).
Also, I am very careful with my use. I am a daily dependent user, so it would take quite a bit to knock me down. I usually use between 12-24 mg for a nice shot of Dilaudid which is equivalent to 80-160mg of IV morphine, and I guess heroin is 3x stronger than morphine. So I'm guessing a nice dose would be ~50mg of heroin. So, if I got a stamp that is 50% pure I think that would be perfect, but I have no idea of what the purity is anywhere, so that's why I kinda gave that little example to figure out if anyone who uses both could compare. It's funny that you say H is more of an upbeat high as I always pictured it to be more sedating like D and morphine.

If you don't mind me asking, which part of Detroit are you in? If you can't answer I understand why. So anyway, you have had a chance to try dillies, hey? I find the rush from them to be untouched by any other opioid I've done. Some people say they don't have legs and you can't get euphoria, but if you time your doses right, you can do a couple of shots and have a nice warm glow going for an hour or two after, kinda like dope, but not as heavy from what I'm told. But I don't know for sure.

 

[pallidamors]

Hey Sumerian, I'm from the east coast of Canada. Like I mentioned there is 0 H around here, many older junkies have told me it has dried up, now all we have are pharms and coke/crack (tons of the white stuff).
Also, I am very careful with my use. I am a daily dependent user, so it would take quite a bit to knock me down. I usually use between 12-24 mg for a nice shot of Dilaudid which is equivalent to 80-160mg of IV morphine, and I guess heroin is 3x stronger than morphine. So I'm guessing a nice dose would be ~50mg of heroin. So, if I got a stamp that is 50% pure I think that would be perfect, but I have no idea of what the purity is anywhere, so that's why I kinda gave that little example to figure out if anyone who uses both could compare. It's funny that you say H is more of an upbeat high as I always pictured it to be more sedating like D and morphine.

If you don't mind me asking, which part of Detroit are you in? If you can't answer I understand why. So anyway, you have had a chance to try dillies, hey? I find the rush from them to be untouched by any other opioid I've done. Some people say they don't have legs and you can't get euphoria, but if you time your doses right, you can do a couple of shots and have a nice warm glow going for an hour or two after, kinda like dope, but not as heavy from what I'm told. But I don't know for sure.

I'm surprised you aren't from the american South. you mentioned pharms and crack being popular, i immediately thought you were from the panhandle.

 

[scottd420]

I'm surprised you aren't from the american South. you mentioned pharms and crack being popular, i immediately thought you were from the panhandle.

hahaha Oh shit no, my friend. We're pretty much the opposite of the American south here! That's funny, though. At least the people I hang around are different, sorry to stereotype the southerners, but it's just not my kinda demographic--with exception to Austin, TX.
But, I do understand what you mean--hill-billy-heroin and all haha.

 

[pallidamors]

hahaha Oh shit no, my friend. We're pretty much the opposite of the American south here! That's funny, though. At least the people I hang around are different, sorry to stereotype the southerners, but it's just not my kinda demographic--with exception to Austin, TX.
But, I do understand what you mean--hill-billy-heroin and all haha.

it aint my demographic either

except for shake

 

[scottd420]

shake seems good though, he only calls out people who talk shit. he doesn't seem dirty south haha. If you don't mind me asking, where are you from man? I was hoping to make friends with a mod incase they try to give me the boot

I wouldn't be caught dead toting a shotgun in the back of a truck window, spittin' sunflower seeds. even some of my family is from there and it pisses me off, they and the people they know fuckin' sit there and smoke cigs and drink liquor right infront of you whilst tellin' you a fuckin' story on how drugs are bad or talk republican politics--give me a fuckin' break!!!

gotta say what up to chinky for calling out a few idiots on here. p.s Chinky man, read my post about hydromorphone (Dilaudid)/heroin and tell me what you think.

 

[pallidamors]

colorado, central USA. its in the mountains, and sometimes it gets cold, like the land of our friends in the great white north.

don't mention prices and don't try to cop drugs on here and you'll be in okay with us mods.

 

[sumerian]

wow, your from Canada and cant find anything? wow that sucks bro lol, well, yeah, dilaudid is a strong pharm, i would have to say that nothing compares to dope as far as how it makes you feel though. It sucks that you are stuck out there. what if you cant find pharms? are u just screwed? lol man, are you out in the middle of nowhere or in a major city? ive heard you can find it in Toronto, and major citys like tht..

 

[scottd420]

Oh, right on!! I've always wanted to visit Denver and see what it's like. It looks like it's a pretty sweet spot. I'm a snowboarder, so I'd end up staying there all year, maybe take off in the summer/fall to the coast. The Rockies are fascinating man, you're really lucky to grow up there. I have a lot of friends that live in Calgary, Alberta, which is very close to the Canadian Rockies--I know they are different, but the elevation is similar. Maybe some day I'll visit and we can chill and get baked!!! haha

Oh, I was just kiddin about the Mod thing, bro. haha I'm a pretty easy-going guy unless someone gets me fired up; but usually that doesn't happen! You are a good Mod though, I do notice a difference in how people maintain their forums and keep order. Kudos for keeping things running smoothly, especially with the heroin crowd. Sometimes we can be a pretty opinionated bunch!

So, what is the scene like in CO anyway--respecting all of the sourcing rules etc..?

 

[sumerian]

colorado, central USA. its in the mountains, and sometimes it gets cold, like the land of our friends in the great white north.

don't mention prices and don't try to cop drugs on here and you'll be in okay with us mods.

why arent we allowed to say prices? i dont see how it matters. If we are talking about drugs, then i dont see what talking about prices would change anything. we are still talking about things that the government pertains to be "illegal" either way in the eyes of law, saying all this, and not saying prices, wont make any difference. its all the same. just wondering.

 

[pallidamors]

why arent we allowed to say prices? i dont see how it matters. If we are talking about drugs, then i dont see what talking about prices would change anything. we are still talking about things that the government pertains to be "illegal" either way in the eyes of law, saying all this, and not saying prices, wont make any difference. its all the same. just wondering.

i feel like this has been gone over a million times.

prices encourage sourcing. you want to mention what you pay for a bag of dope, hop over to Other Drugs and post in the price thread. you mention it in here, we edit it and then infract ya.

harsh, but thats how it goes.

 

[scottd420]

wow, your from Canada and cant find anything? wow that sucks bro lol, well, yeah, dilaudid is a strong pharm, i would have to say that nothing compares to dope as far as how it makes you feel though. It sucks that you are stuck out there. what if you cant find pharms? are u just screwed? lol man, are you out in the middle of nowhere or in a major city? ive heard you can find it in Toronto, and major citys like tht..

Yeah man, I'm in a major city, Halifax to be specific. Well, I'm actually a chronic pain patient, so I get hydromorphone Rx'ed to me, so in that sense I'll never run totally dry, since I do need it daily to begin with. But I do find people with hooks for the pharmies. I've tried a lot of different opioids so I've got a feel for what's strong and what's not. Speaking of that, I'm glad I live this side of the border, there is less oxycodone. I just haven't had a chance to try the holy grail. However I will tell you a speedball of a hefty dose of D and some real nice coke will get your ears ringing and keep you on the level, but man the rush from the two combined is insane.
I've read a study on opiate addicts and they were giving them IV heroin and IV hydromorphone double blind, and almost 100% of these daily users couldn't tell the difference between pharmaceutical grade diamorphine (heroin) and hydromorph. Apparently the pharmaceutical grade H feels different from the street stuff because of lack of different alkaloids from the refining process. Pharma H is just diacetylmorphine and nothing else, hence the different feeling. The one thing that they said differentiated between them--H and HM--is the sustained euphoria after the initial rush was over. But they said even the rush felt pretty much identical.
It is a more fat soluble molecule compared to most opioids, hence the shitty oral BA and the rapid crossing of the BBB(blood-brain-barrier), giving you that ungodly rush!

Speaking of that, I'm glad I live this side of the border, there is less oxycodone and more hydromorphone and morphine given for pain. I find they work better for pain and euphoria/rush. I find oxycodone weak in both departments, but when taken in a high dose it can provide a nice high orally or snorted if you use a lot compared to morphine even. But IV morphine was nice, I've had that Rx'ed (orally) and that gave a bit weaker but very enjoyable rush that took longer to kick in. The high had legs and more of a histamine rush for me. I'd imagine it to be similar to heroin since as soon as H crosses the BBB it drops one or both acetyl groups turning into monoacetylmorphine and simply morphine itself. So, really it's half the same.
I wish some of that fine product from Toronto would make itself here. If we do have a scene it's pretty small. I know a lot of "guys" around town and I hear of nothing, and I ask everyone!

What's the scene like in your neck of the woods, brother?

 

[shake]

imo hydromorphone is a crappy drug. yea it provides a rush but 3 hours later you are back to being sick. for me i have allways liked oxycodone alot more and it will stick around for 8hours requiring me to not hafta do as much.give me a shot or 240mgs of oc and i will show you a very taklative perosn alot of ppl around get the dillies and i dont want em. good thing bout the states is you can get whatever flavor you like best rx'd to ya. but since this is a heroin thread ima regress, just wanted to shoot that out there that i mo hydromorphone and oxymorphone IMO suck.

like to add for me 3 4mg dillies pills equals 1 good bag of dope

carry on