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cool deal! Yeah, I'm always surprised how helpful folks are sometimes. Whe I got out of rehab, a dude from NA followed me home and flushed my weed and disposed of my spikes so that I wouldn't have to deal with the temptation.

ok, I'm in Philly. I was just thinking it would be a coincidence if you were talking about the same get together
 
hey everyone! checking in, still going strong!

three cheers, to everyone here, for every success... woo hoo!

on my way to see evil dead: the musical. so excited! =D laughter is the best medicine.
 
What what what?! Evil Dead : The Musical?! LOL!!! I have got to see this! =D

And great work staying sober monchi, keep up the good work! :) <3
 
Stayed home, not using - just watched some family guy. I wanted to go to that party but I couldn't find anyone I really trust to help keep me in line (I'm a bigger guy 6'2 so I tend to just push my way into buying if it comes down to it). How have you guys been dealing with the time you have sober ? It's become a real pain for me, I draw alot of tattoos and read, talk to the occasional girl who hasn't blacklisted me (live in a small town and drugs tend to to do that to ya). How about you all ?
 
I exercise. And watch cartoons (Family Guy, Simpsons, Futurama, American Dad, you know the drill ;))
During the week my main weak/craving time is all through the evening. So when I get home I do about an hour of exercise, then after that we have dinner, and we watch cartoons (and the occasional documentary for good
measure :)). Then by the time I know it, it's time for bed and I've gotten through another day sober.
 
Evenings and mornings are the toughest (first hour I'm awake I'm SO used to to trying to get my schedule etc) ... since I've cut my use down also I've been told I seem very "distant" has this happened to anyone else ? I've been honest with the girls close to me and told them that I am trying to take it easy with using, an whiile they are all for me trying to clean up, everything is so different now. I think the lack of daily use leaves the user lonely, which leads to boredom .. etc
 
How have you guys been dealing with the time you have sober ? It's become a real pain for me, I draw alot of tattoos and read, talk to the occasional girl who hasn't blacklisted me (live in a small town and drugs tend to to do that to ya). How about you all ?

Boredom is a motherfucker in the beginning. Dude told me that boredom is just another word for 'at peace'. People like us are so accustomed to chaos (actually craving it) that being still and stuck with ourselves is WAY uncomfortable.

For me, I HATED being stuck in my own head having no distractions and being forced to be stuck with ME (the asshole I've been running from my whole life).

Its a gradual process with a nice payout for bulldogging through. Take a chance and shoot the shit with a stranger that you can tell has a common interest as you. I did this after NA meetings and now hang with a rather tight crew of folks who support and trust each other.

It ain't easy but, look at it this way, you're a big dude so who's gonna fuck with ya when you take innocent risks? I'm not a big dude but I just have a 'I don't give a fuck' attitude that allows me to take chances with new things. It worked too!

Also, I've found that keeping a journal (or BL Blog) is very therapeutic and sometimes time consuming. Its kinda cool to look back on how the person you call 'you' has changed. It also helps to remember shit that my drug fogged brain would have forgotten.

Boredom is a MOTHERFUCKER but if nothing changes through taking risks on new things, well... nothing will change.
 
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Boredom is a motherfucker in the beginning. Dude told me that boredom is just another word for 'at peace'. People like us are so accustomed to chaos (actually craving it) that being still and stuck with ourselves is WAY uncomfortable.

This is such a good quote. I totally can relate.

I don't think I've been bored in years. Because I am scared to be. I must go go go, or else it all collapses inward.
 
... since I've cut my use down also I've been told I seem very "distant" has this happened to anyone else ?

I haven't been distance but my SO and I have gotten into some goods ones...because I'm opening up how I feel and he had no idea...and sometimes it's easier to fling insults, agendas, and other hurtful things than for me to accept his caring for me or for him to realize I AM STILL ME, WE ARE STILL WE.

My drama has taken one step down and I know I don't need the booze with the drama but when it is such a part of you it's hard to deal with one without the other.

OD you said it beautifully being stuck with myself.:!

My drinking has decreased dramatically this month!!! So just for that I'm happy, and now need to decide where I want to go.
 
^^^ great points all, thanks all - OD - I'm not great w/journals because I tend to lose care in my own dealings, but coming on here and being able to share where I'm at makes a HUGE difference!!
 
^ I hear ya... TDS has been a HUGE help for me. I was a beatdown, miserable, whiny, lost dark dude and I was still accepted by Darksiders because they could relate. It still amazes me how genuinely good people are here
 
Had a few beers and now having a bottle of wine tonight after 3 weeks sober. Got in touch with the girl I'd had a relationship over the summer after not speaking for 2 weeks and basically confirmed it was over.

Oh well. I'll pick myself up again tomorrow, but gonna finish this bottle of Chardonnay and finish the 2 cans beer in the fridge and listen to tunes. My msn addy is on my profile if anyone wants to chat. I thought the world of her and texted her saying that much a coupla hours ago to say 'OK last text'.

Feel shitty but at least I know how I stand. I've been doing loads of exercise lately so at least that;s something to feel good about. Did an hour in the gym today; back and biceps, and then went for an 8 mile trek with weight on my back before I called her on an endorphin buzz to find out it was definitely over.

I feel quite good from the drink but feel quite shit from relising it's definitely over with the woman.

Edited to say: I'm such a sensitive softy when it comes to relationships that I deserve all the abuse you guys can dish out :)
 
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LH, which was made first -- the choice to drink or the choice to contact the girl? Not saying either is better or worse, but it might give you some perspective as to handling similar situations in the future.

Don't worry about being a sensitive softy. I think a lot of us here can relate. And I'm not saying that it's a good thing at all, but I have found that women who have also struggled with addiction and such are much more willing to give room for men being more on the sensitive side. XX or XY, we're all just people. And it's rediculous to not accept that people get sad and struggle. Just so as long as you seem like you're trying to improve your position in life, not simply looking for pity.

And it's also good about the exercize. If you can keep that up, I bet at least by the New Year, you'll be feeling pretty good in front of the mirror! And feeling better physically too.

Keep at it man!
 
Been sober for 13 months. Antabus is mandatory for me. It just really sucks. Give me opiates that work or give me death. Nothing is good and my belly aches. Cannabis gives help but really, really, really isn't the same. I know i should go to AA meetings but i don't want to. And believe me, it is choice of my free will, this situation.
 
LH, which was made first -- the choice to drink or the choice to contact the girl?

I was feeling really good when I got back from my exercise and was buzzing a bit. I didn't even feel like a drink as I hadn't had one for 3 weeks. I called her to see if she was getting on okay as she's an alchie too (we met at a meeting).

She said she'd not had a drink for about the same amount of time and I said that was great. I hadn't spoke to her for over a couple of weeks and she said 'bye, see you around' meaning at meetings.

Then I went to get something to eat and I was so cut up about her nonchalance I couldn't eat, even thought I'd done some hardcore exercise that morning. It was a saturday afternoon and my mind turned to drinking as I felt cut-up and lonely. Told you I was a soft shite.

I have found that women who have also struggled with addiction and such are much more willing to give room for men being more on the sensitive side.

Not this one it seems :( We were pretty inseperable over the summer and did loads of stuff together and she now talks to me so matter of factly that it hurts. A lot of the time we spent drunk together, so the sex wasn't exactly amazing sometimes. We had a real companionship/rapport going on for a couple of months and now it's just like there's nothing there, or every text/call ends up in some kind of sniping argument. I find it hard to understand what I've done to make her go off me. We had a few drunken rows. We had a lot of good times going out, drinking and not drinking. Maybe she's working the steps? I can't even call her anymore, even though I want to.

Thanks for listening to my BS. I've got a full day ahead and a hangover now. I'm tempted to get a bottle of wine and drink it slowly throughout the day. Do what I need to do for work tomorrow (it's 09:30 UK time) and get back on the sober wagon tomorrow.

I was feeling really good about myself yesterday after a sober spell and wish I hadn't called her, but I tried to be a nice guy by calling her and seeing if she was OK and now I'm back on the drink. Am I in denial? Should I take more responsibility for my own actions and stop blaming other people?
 
That claim I made about women and sensitive guys...I am going to exclude the cases of ex-girlfriends (I mean she may have understood and accepted you *at the beginning,* correct?). Being out of a relationship with someone throws all feelings of compassion out the window, as the weirdness and stress of talking with a past lover supersedes softness. Women are smart, and though I am not a woman, she probably has the sense that you'd get back together with her if she was willing. And given that she knows you are sensitive/soft, she probably does not want to get your hopes up (about a second round) by being nice and understanding (and other things which you could see as her coming back around to you). In her mind, she's justifying it that she's protecting you from the cold truth (that she is in fact over you). Yes, it sucks, but that's probably what's going on.

I feel for you, man. The woman I lost some 18 months ago reminds me kind of of this situation. It was amazing while it was going well. And yes, we were drinking and using drugs together, living the rockstar lifestyle and all. She was the kind of women who had been through hell herself, so she was very accepting and understanding of me not dripping of testosterone, confidence, and everything else Cosmo instructs women to look for. But then after things fell apart, she became a completely different person. Like your situation -- cold, nonchalant, and not at all understanding of my sensitivity. Over a year later, I now reckon that she was just trying to protect me as she had made her decision that she was leaving me for someone else and it was final. But I tried contacting her a few times, and it never made me feel good. Each time got worse, and I started doing a lot of drinking and pills in order to numb the pain that the girl I knew and missed no longer existed (figuratively). It got to the point where my calls become more fueled by drunken emotion, and my stupid words got me in trouble. Trouble to the point where she probably now regrets even having known me :( I whole new world of pain.

So my point is that now is a good time to stop. She's gone. Accept it, and don't call. At least not for a really long time. Each time, it will just make her more distant, and you'll get more emotional in each call. And it will just make you come off as creepy, and she will feel confused. Just let her go.

As for the wine...Well you got to do what you got to do. I've always said that drinking to mitigate a hangover is the analogy of going from other routes to injecting other drugs. It's bad. Really bad. You lose control soooo fast when you start drinking to assist the hangovers. If you do, just have a small amount. And pace yourself. But definitely no more than 1/2 of what you had last night. I'm sure you've got the intuition for this kind of thing.

And never worry about sharing your thoughts on here -- even if they seem pathetic and such. A lot of people will understand. That's a big reason for the existence of this forum -- to find others who understand.
 
Women are smart, and though I am not a woman, she probably has the sense that you'd get back together with her if she was willing. And given that she knows you are sensitive/soft, she probably does not want to get your hopes up (about a second round) by being nice and understanding (and other things which you could see as her coming back around to you). In her mind, she's justifying it that she's protecting you from the cold truth (that she is in fact over you). Yes, it sucks, but that's probably what's going on.

Thanks man. Your post puts it all in perspective. It was very hard for me to understand how she'd gone from being caring and loving to being not bothered. It sucks to feel that she's the one calling the shots though, as I thought we had an equal relationship.

What you mentioned about you hitting the drugs/booze sounds bad man. I saw my father go through that when he and my mum split up as he was an alcoholic and I can imagine that acting like that has the opposite effect.

It must be a male thing because when I was on my 3 weeks of sobrietyand not speaking to S there wasn't a day gone by when I didn't think of her. Sometimes hourly. We can be an obsessive breed, but thank you for putting into perspective for me.

I appreciate from your post that it's over. I wonder how long it'll take for me to stop thinking of her though? I'm not the type to go out and pick up some easy slut to get over something like this.

Anyway. I went for a bottle of wine and having some of that now. I'll taper myself off today and hopefully be ok for work tomoz.

Thanks again RedLeader. You seem to have wisdom that you don't get out of a book.
 
Thanks man. Your post puts it all in perspective. It was very hard for me to understand how she'd gone from being caring and loving to being not bothered. It sucks to feel that she's the one calling the shots though, as I thought we had an equal relationship.

It's the extended version of the cold shoulder. For a lot of people, it's natural to do right after a relationship. A defense mechanism. And it's not all that different from what I am telling you to do now, when I say to put her out your mind. She just probably has been through what you are now feeling before, and it, again, is ingrained in her now to just block that person out sooner than later. We can be compassionate creatures, but having our romantic feelings messed with can turn that compassion temporarily off. It's the "I need to take care of myself first" attitude that Hollywood often portrays in strong and wise women. Is it rude? Maybe. Then again, the same could be argued about you trying to keep contacting her in a way that might be transparent that you want to get back together, when you know that she does not (not trying to pass critical judgment here!). Anyway, and I hope you don't have more sequences of failed relationships, but my guess is that if you do, you'll too develop kind of a "push them away immediately" tendency, so as to protect your fragile heart.

What you mentioned about you hitting the drugs/booze sounds bad man. I saw my father go through that when he and my mum split up as he was an alcoholic and I can imagine that acting like that has the opposite effect.

Ya, it was terrible. Even worse, because she cheated on me and while I didn't exactly walk in on it, I came close in a way. I flooded my head with MDMA and speed for months and months just to feel euphoria. Euphoria, to me, was at that time better than trying to regroup and feel genuine happiness. But ya, in the end it went downhill bad. Not some of my brightest months (though I did have some wonderful nights in the context :) ).

It takes about 3-4 months, IMO, to get over a person to the point where you don't think about them daily. One thing I have learned is that time actually does heal. As well, positive distractions are the way to go. Live your life so that you cannot think about her because you have so much else going on. Work, exercise, drive in hectic traffic, watch movies, etc. Be around friends, if you feel like you have any close ones. And I'd suggest possibly going to different meetings from now on. Just so you don't have to see her.

It must be a male thing because when I was on my 3 weeks of sobrietyand not speaking to S there wasn't a day gone by when I didn't think of her. Sometimes hourly. We can be an obsessive breed, but thank you for putting into perspective for me.

It's not necessarily a male thing, as women are sensitive too and have difficulty with breakups. I think society just puts a lot of pressure on guys to be in control of their emotions (and insults women at the same time for seeming like it's okay to be an emotional wreck "because that's how woman are"). Reality is, there are emotionally strong and emotionally-weak people in both sexes. It's just guys having to "get over it" can put pressure on people like you or me, since (well for example) women want guys who are honest and emotionally stable. And when you feel like you'd have to not be your true self to act that way, yet still want companionship and someone to understand, you just gotta search a little harder. But there are nice women out there who understand it all, and accept you for being sensitive. Take the wonderful ladies of TDS, for example!

I appreciate from your post that it's over. I wonder how long it'll take for me to stop thinking of her though? I'm not the type to go out and pick up some easy slut to get over something like this.

Again, as I said before, you should be good by 2010. And least the primary panic and sadness will be gone, and it will be more of a nostalgia. I know that seems like a long wait, but it's the holiday season and times will go past. And I agree -- going out for casual sex is not the best idea. I mean nice guys can pull it off, but it has to be extremely casual in that you have NO WAY to get emotionally attached. But ya, I know I wouldn't want to have sex that way, and I'm guessing you wouldn't either.

Thanks again RedLeader. You seem to have wisdom that you don't get out of a book.

Haha, no problem. Good luck with your taper, and try and hit the ground running next week!
 
day 26: been thinking

no alcohol or hard drugs for over three weeks. i haven't gone this long without getting fucked up in some way for a very long time. like years. i feel different, like something has shifted. i feel more like me again.

around six years ago i ended an over ten year relationship. we were high school sweethearts. although i knew the relationship needed to end, i realize now that i was experiencing much more trauma than i was conscious of at the time. i began drinking. at the time, i didn't think anything of it; after all, that's what single people do - go out, drink, meet new people. i wasn't necessarily drinking everyday, but certainly more days than not, and other drugs were often added to the mix. this habit continued throughout my next relationship, and through my next period of being single.

i have been with my current and i hope life long partner for about three years now, and we are very conscious of trying to communicate well, maintain healthy habits etc. it is not until you start doing things in a different way that you realize how stuck you have been, and for how long. all this has been very eye opening to me. the other day, for example, i had a big cry. im talking sitting in the shower, sobbing for hours. while i was crying, i became aware of the fact that i was allowing myself to cry, and wasn't trying to drink it away. i realized that this was how i used to cope with things, years ago, before i became an alcoholic. while i was still working through my temporary sadness, this made me feel so good.

i realized that i had gotten so used to feeling anxiety, and chasing it down with a bottle of wine, that i hadn't given myself enough sober time to realize that it might actually be the booze etc that was the cause of the anxiety. i was so worried about not being able to fall asleep, that i used that fear as an excuse to drink, and i now realize that all that drinking was what was keeping me awake in the first place. talk about your cure becoming the disease.

i know i'll still want to get crazy every now and then, but i feel like i finally have some perspective, and i don't want to go back to where i started from. i like where i am right now. and im very, very, thankful. <3
 
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