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oc vs h

no matter what H is a better deal for the money than OC. doesnt matter where you are located. if you are paying more for H than for OC you either have an amazing OC connect or you are seriously getting ripped off for your heroin.
 
hey thankz everyone and i finally got a straight connect with that brownstone weighs it out kinda expensive halfs g for 130 gbabys for 225 testing it out tomorrow with some acid so ill tell you guys how it was

stay positive and love your life-311
 
Ive done both Insuff. and IV.

H is better in both instances. Im seeking the sit down and nod out high though. I feel H has a much better body high and it seems to last an hour or two longer for me. H also makes me nod more consistently... which is what I'm seeking. OC has more of a cerebral high... which I'm not after, but I will take. Its larger when broken up... thus harder to snort or cook... its harder to filter... its also much harder to get everything because of the fillers pushing to the edge of the cooker and retaing small amounts of solution or clogging the first filter and you need a second one. It also takes much more time and work to prep an OC for both methods. Both get you to the same point, but in a different way. I for one.... prefer the rush too.... then I like the body high of H more.

Cross tolerance is most certainly not 100%... Ive seen many people that do only dope and their tolerance to OC is fairly high but it is temporarily more efficient to do OC... and vice versa... Straight OC people do dope and require much less.

But what made me wonder is you said you were doing 2-3 bags and get messed up off a 40? I was doing 3 and could do 120mg oxy.
 
ValHalla211 said:
Ive done both Insuff. and IV.

H is better in both instances. Im seeking the sit down and nod out high though. I feel H has a much better body high and it seems to last an hour or two longer for me. H also makes me nod more consistently... which is what I'm seeking. OC has more of a cerebral high... which I'm not after, but I will take. Its larger when broken up... thus harder to snort or cook... its harder to filter... its also much harder to get everything because of the fillers pushing to the edge of the cooker and retaing small amounts of solution or clogging the first filter and you need a second one. It also takes much more time and work to prep an OC for both methods. Both get you to the same point, but in a different way. I for one.... prefer the rush too.... then I like the body high of H more.

Cross tolerance is most certainly not 100%... Ive seen many people that do only dope and their tolerance to OC is fairly high but it is temporarily more efficient to do OC... and vice versa... Straight OC people do dope and require much less.

But what made me wonder is you said you were doing 2-3 bags and get messed up off a 40? I was doing 3 and could do 120mg oxy.
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1st its winter here in VA so dc dope fucking blows but im sure once it warms up ill stick to dope
 
i think that the buzz from oc is just far better than of h... i do both and i know the heroin i get is very very good.... but i think that the buzz off of oc is better so i love the feeling that much more when i do h for awhile then get my hands on some oc's, i love those green and yellow guys
 
DonkeyPunch: Here is Australia a "cap" of H is about 4 times the price of one of your bags. The stuff can be very high quality to very low quality. Here if you can find OC's its pretty tempting..
 
jebus ward, lsd and the h-bomb? thats quite a mix.

I'm from Boston and we always get good smack. OC's are a $1/mg joke around here.

$40/bag of dope vs $40.00/oc40? no compare. Oxy does make me peppy but not worth the $$.
 
ive never come accross h once in my entire time doing oxy so i cant really compare the two but i will say i perfer oxy over any other pharm opioid/ate analgesic

ive tried to get h several times when ive ran out of oxy but to no avail, it is extreemly hard to find in this area for some fkn reason, the only time i even got close togettin some im pretty sure it was a fucking like hella retarded price i cant remember what it got u but i know i had to spend atleast 60 bux but it still never went thru. im actualy curious to try H b4 i end my affair with opiates, im not one for needles though and would never iv/im any substance so moa will be insuffilation.

currently i take 80-120mgs in the morning and then 40mg bumps throughout the day, usualy end up takin 8-9 40's a day, so my tolerance is pretty up there considering it only took me 10mg oraly to get a buzz goin when i first started, takes about 3 or 4 40's at once to get a buzz now so im planning on taperin down soon anyways thats a whole other thread kinda ran off topic here.

what i was tryin to get to is i was wondering if i am lucky? enough to ever get my hands on some what would you guys figure a good starting dose would be assuming im taking it first thing in morning when im in oxy withdrawls?

i know this is a very hard question to awnser since quality of heroin varies greatly, but for simplicity sake lets just assume the h is 100% pure then once i actualy get some can estimate the quality and figure out an aproximate from that value you know?

i mean obviously the best way to figure out a dose is to start small and work up and im still going to do that itd just be nice to get any info i can b4 i start. theres nothing even really saying ill ever end up finding some but hey its a small world :p

some more of your guys experiance of cross tolerance with oxy and heroin would be interesting to hear.. er read lol..

thanks for any information you guys can offer :)
 
groovee2 said:
I'm from Boston and we always get good smack. OC's are a $1/mg joke around here.
$40/bag of dope vs $40.00/oc40? no compare. Oxy does make me peppy but not worth the $$.
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I want to try H but OCs are $0.25/mg=D (only prob is that there isnt a steady supply, maybe 10 80s a month. right now i dont have anything at all). Since I don't know anyone that can get H I don't think the hassle of finding a dealer is worth getting a more steady supply for a slightly cheaper price(it might not be cheaper depending on the quality and how much is actually being sold and for what price).
I also don't want to deal with the stigma of using H and the possible legal problems. I just hate having such a short supply.
 
I've done OCs for a while, and recently swithced to H. When I started with the H, 3 packs would get me folded, when an 80 no longer did the trick. Now it takes 5 packs of H, and I switched back to OC after about 2 months off, and 80 gets me folded. Due to their different compounds, I dont think tolerance for one very much effects the other.
 
mikemikemike said:
Due to their different compounds, I dont think tolerance for one very much effects the other.
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It actually does affect the other, it's just not a 1-to-1 relationship, that is what is meant by incomplete cross-tolerance. If there were complete x-tolerance, for every 10% increase in H, you would need a 10% increase in oxy. Since it is incomplete, a 10% increase in H may correspond to a 15% increase in oxy.
 
Ya i was reading about that shit hfrs, it's been added into a lot of opiate conversion calculators to help determine a more accurate dose upon conversion.
 
i bet if you could get oxcodone powder in grams and ounces ,i mean pure oxy powder,or even cut oxy powder (just to make it equal to steet dope) ...alot of people would like oxy a bit more ,especially if the price was $20 .1 100mg :)

see IMO ithink heroin is is great if you want to completly relax and forget your worries,

but i dont want my life to be a bout getting high i want to have a life while getting high!!

i know this is of topic but i love doing everythingi have to do during the day and then come home andcatch a buzz/high.....

high wise ....depends on my mood

heroin is more relaxing ,but somtimes WAY TOO sedating

oxy is sedating but you can function,and you can choose to nod,well ican anyway when i want ,but i still nod out on accident
 
ocpheend said:
what would you guys figure a good starting dose would be assuming im taking it first thing in morning when im in oxy withdrawls?
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Take a bump about 1 mm square of powder. Wait a few minutes. Repeat as necessary. Then, you'll be able to tell just how much you did to get to your desired dose by looking at your bag and seeing how much is left. Then next time just take that same amount all at once. This way you can determine how much you need of a powder of unknown quality safely and relately accurately since you're taking small bumps.

ocpheend said:
i know this is a very hard question to awnser since quality of heroin varies greatly, but for simplicity sake lets just assume the h is 100% pure then once i actualy get some can estimate the quality and figure out an aproximate from that value you know?
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I don't see how it'd be possible to estimate that with any accuracy.

What surprises me is that there isn't at least some commercial illicit OC production. Clearly the necessary alkaloid (thebaine right?) is in poppies that are harvested in the middle east and far eastern asia, and it's not even used to make heroin, it's just thrown away! So it'd seem cost effective to go ahead and instead of wasting the thebaine make it into OC. I mean the synth isn't that much harder, is it? I'm not asking for the synth mind you, just for someone with more chem knowledge than me to say whether it's prohibitately difficult to produce illicitly.

I mean, I figure if you can synth fent on a large scale like in that superlab in Mexico, then you could easily do the same for OC.

That's be raw as hell. We need to contact some asian drug lords and tell them to get their act together and start shipping OC to America in multi-kilo quantity immediately!
 
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