Obama honest about drug use as a youth

what a fuckin psycho... I hope the USA has learnt their lesson with Bush... Republican party are a bunch of corrupt power hungry sociopaths...
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Sorry, had to snigger at the hope of optimism triumphing over greed. You'd think that Nixon's antics would have meant no Republican president 'til the 21st century, but guess what...
 
yep

fruitfly said:
FYI, there's been some confusion surrounding what his current stance on the issue actually is. See this piece for some info.
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exactly, he has very little clear stance on ANY issue. He banks on 'change' just because everyone knows everyone is sick of the current administration so 'change' is an obvious issue. The fact is, I could take many things Obama has said and hope like hell he meant them, and then I'd want to elect him president, but he contradicts himself everytime he ventures far enough to take a real stance. Additionally, what the hell has this guy accomplished? I want change, but I'd like to feel like something is really going to happen. In the three years he has been in the senate, he's only sponsored (co signed) one bill. He has instigated and completed NOTHING. But then what choices are we really given? Arghh, its pathetic.
 
Obamba stands for "Hope"

I have NOT heard Obamba outline any of his plans other than "restoring HOPE" and "Change" to Washington.

Admitedly I have not looked hard for details, but the few times he gets specific questions, he just falls back on "Hope and Change".

Most of my problems are health / insurance related, so Hillary is talking about the kind of "change" I need. I have NO HOPE that Hillary, Obama or whoever can / will change Washington in any way to improve my life other than medical benefits for everyone.

I may vote for Obama, I have not decided yet. My wife plans to vote for him. I am leaning towards Hillary.

My brother and his wife are "cultlike" about Obamba, but they are wealthy white baby boomers and would feel guilty NOT supporting the black guy. They really have no choice in the matter. When I ask them "why?", they act like Obama is the expected / only choice for white liberals. I think they feel guilty they have been so "lucky". (My brother is a workaholic who owns his own business).

We will know in a few more months.

Willie
 
Until someone finds something to replace the TRILLIONS of dollars that the illegal drug trade generates, drugs will never be legalised. EVER. It is estimated that as much as a third of the world economy comes from illegal drug sales.

Intelligence agencies and other government and private entities fund illegal wars, coups, spying, weapons, etc to realise agendas that are not in the public interest, and would never be approved by cabinets/parliaments etc.

Obama has just taken on Zbigniew Brzezinski as his chief foreign advisor. Brzezinski is an evil prick, check him out if you want to know what Obama is going to think.

I would still love to see a black president though, even if it isn't Eric B. :)
 
From what I've heard a very large amount of funds from the cocaine and opium/heroin trade are laundered through Wall Street every day, with a variety of laws being set up in favor of making this possible and completely legal.

Drugs, politics, lobbyists, corporate pricks, bankers... its all a veery dirty game. I think we may be close to the full nation-wide decriminalization of m.j. though, even if you do need a prescription.
 
Will01996 said:
I have NOT heard Obamba outline any of his plans other than "restoring HOPE" and "Change" to Washington.

Admitedly I have not looked hard for details, but the few times he gets specific questions, he just falls back on "Hope and Change".

Most of my problems are health / insurance related, so Hillary is talking about the kind of "change" I need. I have NO HOPE that Hillary, Obama or whoever can / will change Washington in any way to improve my life other than medical benefits for everyone.

I may vote for Obama, I have not decided yet. My wife plans to vote for him. I am leaning towards Hillary.

My brother and his wife are "cultlike" about Obamba, but they are wealthy white baby boomers and would feel guilty NOT supporting the black guy. They really have no choice in the matter. When I ask them "why?", they act like Obama is the expected / only choice for white liberals. I think they feel guilty they have been so "lucky". (My brother is a workaholic who owns his own business).

We will know in a few more months.

Willie
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Have you done additional research to actually find out where he stands? On his website he outlines his plan for change pretty clearly. Hillary hasn't gotten more detailed in my opinion about her plans, they both pretty much tell us what they would do if elected. Obama always gets a lot of press time that focuses on his inspirational speeches, which don't really get to the core of his policy.
 
the vote for this guy cause this guy stands no chance logic is probably why they dont win! If people would stick by libertarist and keep voting for them so hey see they are making ground it MAY help with that movement.

Just a thought
 
^ I don't really quite understand what you're trying to say (and spelling like that and your a mod? Oh, SLR, well no offense, but we're not talking about duldoes here) It sounds like you mean Ron Paul (why does every Obama thread have to turn into a Ron Paul discussion, anyway?) The fact is true libertarianism is actually quite rare. The true Libertarian is almost always very passionate about their beliefs, and as such Paul has had very strong cult following, but most Americans simply don't agree with most of his ideas. Most Americans do respect him greatly because of this passion and because almost everyone agrees with some aspects of libertarianism.

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^^ This is where I fall on the Libertarian measure of politics, clearly not even a true Libertarian, and yet I would consider myself much more so than most Americans. The fact is that even most ppl who disagree adamantly about how the government is being run still see its existence as being absolutely essential.

You can find out where you range on this model here:

http://www.theadvocates.org/quiz.html

On this thread, we explored a more recent political mini-questionare where I, myself being a good example of someone with a very common political outlook among the 18-34 American demographic today (and indeed indicated by the albeit few responses seen on that thread so far), being equally balanced between liberal and libertarian opinion, we discovered that Obama shares 75% of the views of such an individual. I believe this would put him at WNW on the above diagram, a kind of somewhat libertarian liberal, maybe just what this country needs afer 8 years of ultra-conservative statism.

http://glassbooth.org/
 
fastandbulbous said:
Sorry, had to snigger at the hope of optimism triumphing over greed. You'd think that Nixon's antics would have meant no Republican president 'til the 21st century, but guess what...
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So let's just roll over and let em fuck us? Come on man.

3 to the 3 said:
Until someone finds something to replace the TRILLIONS of dollars that the illegal drug trade generates, drugs will never be legalised. EVER. It is estimated that as much as a third of the world economy comes from illegal drug sales.

Intelligence agencies and other government and private entities fund illegal wars, coups, spying, weapons, etc to realise agendas that are not in the public interest, and would never be approved by cabinets/parliaments etc.

Obama has just taken on Zbigniew Brzezinski as his chief foreign advisor. Brzezinski is an evil prick, check him out if you want to know what Obama is going to think.

I would still love to see a black president though, even if it isn't Eric B. :)
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This is important.
Ron paul would have made serious strides towards legalization with the abolishment of the FBI, DEA and CIA, as these are the organizations that use drug money for black projects of all kinds.
 
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In the U.S.A. elections are meaningless. THE PRESIDENT CHANGES, NOT THE REGIME. The only thing that elections change is the face of the president but the sytem and regime will always be the same.
 
Anyone who thinks that Ron Paul's ideas would save humanity, need to watch this:

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=456480507747515257&q=sex+slaves&total=566&start=0&num=10&so=0&type=search&plindex=0

There isn't a day that passes, that I don't think how awful it is that the Soviet regime has fallen in favor of more capitalist systems. Where might Al-Qaeda be now if not for American "freedom". Communism, of course, had serious problems, but what you people are proposing amounts to nothing less than anarchy.
 
you should be on television. your natural tendancy to exaggerate and spin make you perfect for the job


"Nothing less than anarchy"
 
firsty said:
McCain wants to STOP putting first offense users of ANY drug in jail.

I'm voting for him.

I guess we can only move one step at a time until the government lets people control their own lives we get legalization of all drugs.

*SIGH*
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You're kiddin... Please show me the source?

This can't be the same McCain I know, the one who said nobody should be able to get Cannabis, even for medical purposes, and that it shouldn't be available to anyone even if you're a cancer patient.

mulberryman said:
Anyone who thinks that Ron Paul's ideas would save humanity, need to watch this:

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=456480507747515257&q=sex+slaves&total=566&start=0&num=10&so=0&type=search&plindex=0

What's with the obscure search into google dude? Into some weird dominatrix type shit huh? ;)

There isn't a day that passes, that I don't think how awful it is that the Soviet regime has fallen in favor of more capitalist systems. Where might Al-Qaeda be now if not for American "freedom". Communism, of course, had serious problems, but what you people are proposing amounts to nothing less than anarchy.
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What are you saying dude? Al-Qaeda is funded by "American freedom," but before I even go off topic. What American freedom are you even talking about? Honestly? We have nothing special in this country anymore, I promise you. There are areas in this country now that are just as bad as some of the third-world countries out there. There's no super elite guerrilla warfare Islamist terrorist group that exists, uses AK-47's, practices hand to hand combat in the middle of the desert, and somehow can also perform military-precision piloting maneuvers at nearly impossible speeds, coupled with ninja-style box-cutting skills that were so 1337 not one passenger got up and kicked the guy in the balls...

It’s all in your imagination; the U.S. has been doing this since day one. Creating scenarios that will alter an entire society’s mentality, which will in turn make it ok for the U.S. going to War with a rival country.

America Step 1) Pick foreign leader, put him into power, give money and technology (without America civilians knowing of course 8) )

American Step 2) Hang out with leader, get to know your leader, enjoy dinner with him, maybe some golf... keep in touch and continue business

American Step 4) *Jeopardy Song Plays*

America Step 5) Stage or mock an event where this particular leader's country threatens the U.S. in some way. Make sure the entire U.S. population knows of this event because of the Media. Blast this event repetitively into the people’s brains at every angle; newspaper, internet, TV, all freaking day long. Make sure you create clever lingo too, make some sort of politically correct term that they can use like a broken record. Example, "War on Terror"

America Step 6) Go to War

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Anyway, Ron Paul is a Constitutionalist; he wants to rectify the most original document known to man for this country, which will restore all of our freedoms entirely. Ridding of garbage like the Patriotic Act, Income Tax, and schedule I Cannabis.

Yet, because of the media and how fucking retarded people are this day and age. Who really, have not a single clue of what is "REALLY GOING ON." You have McCain, Hillary, and Obama all members of the CFR (Council on Foreign Relations), most powerful most elite group of evil people, that are pretty much responsible for anything and everything that is wrong with this country. Yet, they're renowned in this country and actually have followers, who support them, without knowing any information on them or even caring. Also, George W. Bush, Bush Sr. and even Bill Clinton were members of the CFR. Meanwhile, you have people who are like, yeah George Bush is an ass, he ruined this country, we shouldn't have gone to war, blah blah blee blah, I'm voting for McCain. You’re listening and you're like huh? McCain, your voting Bush back into office ya idiot. Not to mention, McCain wants to go into Iran, what McCain are you supporting?

Which just goes to show, how much nobody knows, and it's quite dumbfounding at times. Like a retarded bitch that chases the same asshole guys all the time and consistently keeps getting hurt, but instead of changing up her preference she goes for the same dudes over and over.

America is that girl, every 4 years looking for hope, a great spectacular change and every year America keeps just getting fucked. Voting the same giant douches or turd sandwiches in office… Getting used by these bastard politicians who don't give a fuck about you, THEY DO NOT GIVE A FUCK ABOUT YOU, WHEN WILL THE POPULATION START EDUCATING THEMSELVES. Instead people get blind-sided by the whole carnival in itself, DERRRP REPUBLICAN! NOOO DERRRP, DEMOCRAT!

Instead of the system being utilized the way you would expect; research all the possible candidates, find out who's running, then who supports your ideas, then stick with the guy that suites you best. If you’re registered Democrat it doesn't mean that's who you go with, same visa versa for Republican. This is who’s the best guy, not party.

Of course though, you have the people who just vote for one person, because they don't want the other person to win. They don't have a clue about either of them, but they're voting for one because of the other.

Then like the majority of people in this country, there are the followers the people who follow popular vote statistics and jump on the bandwagon. We can thank the media for this one.

...but they failed miserably, because they tried their hardest to keep Ron Paul out of the race and it still didn't work. He still has enough money and support to keep going. Even though he has had almost little to none exposure on the TV, Newspaper and if he was you can guarantee it was something that was negative, neutral, or some sort of inaccurate statistic used to distract you.

It ain't over ‘til that fat lady sings. People are really going to be surprised when this one’s over, I know I'm going to laugh. Most people just don't understand how the election works, so no matter how much the media says, again it's all just entertainment. They never said it has to be factual, they just make it appear like it is =D .

RON PAUL 2008
 
What are you saying dude? Al-Qaeda is funded by "American freedom,"
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Initially they were a creation based on American weapons, money and even military training designed to keep the Russians out of Afghanistan.

Enough with the Ron Paul already. If the end result is (~) John McCain 48%, Barack Obama 47& and Ron Paul 5%, there'll be only one person to blame.
 
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