NZ- Government to ban all legals highs within two weeks

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Government to ban all legals highs within two weeks
4:53 PM Sunday Apr 27, 2014


The Government will ban all synthetic drugs within two weeks until they can be proven to be low-risk, Associate Health Minister Peter Dunne has revealed.

The move comes as Labour plans to announce its own policy on psychoactive substances tomorrow, and follows increasing protest from local communities to legal highs.

Mr Dunne told the Herald this afternoon: "Last Tuesday, Cabinet agreed on a proposal from me to introduce legislation under urgency when Parliament resumes to remove the remaining 41 products from the shelves until such time as their low-level of risk can be proven."

What do you think of the Government's move? Contact the Herald with your experiences of legal highs here.

He said he would have made the announcement earlier but he did not want to encourage stock-piling of the drugs.

The emergency legislation will be introduced when Parliament resumed on May 6, and will be passed under urgency.

"I'm expecting it to be passed that particular week and to take effect pretty much immediately afterwards," Mr Dunne said.

This meant there would be no psychoactive substances for sale in New Zealand for "some considerable amount of time".

There are currently 150 outlets selling legal highs nationwide.

The Psychoactive Substances Act required synthetic drug manufacturers to prove their drugs were low-risk before they could be sold.

But a Ministry of Health testing regime and several other regulations were not yet in place.

In the interim, drugs which had temporary approval from an expert committee were permitted to be sold.

Forty-one products are on shelves at present, compared to around 300 before the bill was passed.

"I think that the reason we didn't include those 41 products initially was that they hadn't been identified as problematic," Mr Dunne said.

"The public concern of recent weeks has led me to revisit that question and I've been working on the legislation for some time now.

"In effect what this will mean is that there will be no products until such time as the new regime takes effect and they've been able to be tested."

The ministry's testing regime is expected to be similar to pharmaceutical drugs and could cost manufacturers more than $1 million per product to get drugs approved.

Labour leader David Cunliffe was expected to announce in Mangere tomorrow that Labour would pull all products from shelves if elected.

This policy would be made redundant by Mr Dunne's emergency bill.

Labour would also ban the use of animal testing to prove products were low-risk, which would make it even more difficult to get products approved.

- NZ Herald
 
I am not in favour of testing recreational drugs on animals.

But I am surprised that NZ would implement a new law on "Legal Highs" without having the testing facilities up & running. The sudden removal of products seems like a knee jerk reaction to the cannabinoid scare stories that have been appearing recently. I wouldn't be surrprised if a fair percentage of those 41 compounds were cannabinoids. Anyone got in info on what exactly these 41 compounds are?
 
Without testing on animals the great majority of psychoactive substances will never get to market. The whole animal test angle seems to be less about animal rights than it is to hamstring even this pathetic attempt at drug reform in NZ.

I can't see any real change happening there anytime soon if anything it's becoming less liberal towards drug use.
 
Every substance that humans come into contact with is probably tested on animals including non-essential cosmetics and the stuff you clean the loo with. If touching or drinking brake fluid is harmful to humans then this harmfulness needs to be quantified somehow. Animal testing is most likely the way to assess that. I'm not condoning animal testing but to single out one particular application of animal testing like this, especially when it seems like prohibitionist scaremongering, is short-sighted and hypocritical.
 
If it's alright to test vaccines and medications on animals, as well as cosmetics, (or to permit the importation of such cosmetics) then it should be alright to test them on animals.

I am informed that some of their constituents are currently being used in medications for arthritis, so what is to happen to them?

What about those that had already been tested on animals overseas and been found to be of low risk?

I predict that hospitals, mental health clinics and addiction centres will be flooded with people going through withdrawals, soon after any ban is imposed.

If they aren't going to test on animals, then there should be no shortage of humans fronting for paid testing!
 
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This is like the marijauna tax act. They put impossible barriers up knowing full well virtually no one will invest millions of dollars in a unknown, dubious drug mean to be sold for recreation. Way to go NZ, pretend to be progressive then rape all freedom and create a new black market.
 
Every substance that humans come into contact with is probably tested on animals including non-essential cosmetics and the stuff you clean the loo with. If touching or drinking brake fluid is harmful to humans then this harmfulness needs to be quantified somehow. Animal testing is most likely the way to assess that. I'm not condoning animal testing but to single out one particular application of animal testing like this, especially when it seems like prohibitionist scaremongering, is short-sighted and hypocritical.

The only alternative to animal testing are computer modules which are unreliable, and human testing.

I think New Zealand won't be legalizing anything any time soon this is just a distraction from the fact they are taking away all the drugs. At least until people in New Zealand stand up for themselves and their right to ingest any and all drugs they can smoke, shoot, snort, pop, or absorb rectally.
 
Sasha Shulgin has many cogent arguments against testing psychedelic drugs on animals. Obviously, different drugs have different requirements, but I'm not in favour of animals suffering so I can find out roughly what dose of a new, recreational drug might be dangerous to me. I appreciate the need in cancer etc, not for recreation. How would you feel about them testing, say, motor-racing helmets on monkeys? I wouldnt be too happy about that, either! If you wanna race a car, YOU test the helmet!

If NZ wants to legalise any cracking psychedelics, they don't need animals to tell them the drug is either safe or efficable. I'll do it!
 
The only alternative to animal testing are computer modules which are unreliable, and human testing.

I think New Zealand won't be legalizing anything any time soon this is just a distraction from the fact they are taking away all the drugs. At least until people in New Zealand stand up for themselves and their right to ingest any and all drugs they can smoke, shoot, snort, pop, or absorb rectally.


I'm all for human testing. Pay people who wont to be involved in the studies, get them to sign their rights away. They get drugs, so I'm sure alot of people would sign up and be part of that. Stuff that tho personally.
 
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I would volunteer to test early-stage recreational drugs, certainly, but no government in the developed world would okay human tests that aren't preceded by animal studies. Unfortunately, animal testing is the status quo when it comes to bringing any drug to market, and I don't believe there are any realistic alternatives at the moment.
 
It is ridiculous and impossible to proceed with purely human tests. It is a fantastical liberal delusion that would end up costing many people their lives and health. It is simply not a rational option. We go from rats to primates to humans for a reason. We can purposely increase doses until the animal is injured or killed to find vital information about potential harms and levels of toxicity.
 
http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=11245159

Government to ban all legals highs within two weeks
4:53 PM Sunday Apr 27, 2014


The Government will ban all synthetic drugs within two weeks until they can be proven to be low-risk, Associate Health Minister Peter Dunne has revealed.

The move comes as Labour plans to announce its own policy on psychoactive substances tomorrow, and follows increasing protest from local communities to legal highs.


It is amazing to me that people actually protest to have their rights taken away. They even complain the process of taking their freedom away is taking too long. I never understood that. Even if you never use one of these drugs it doesn't matter, you still lost a right when they got banned.
Every time I hear "save the children" I know I am about to lose another right.
 
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