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NSA surveillance thread

Joeof1 said:
Hey guys it's actually worse than we thought, well some of you thought I knew better:

http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2013-...-us-government-exchange-classified-intelligen
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Don't forget the place in Utah that's been operating for years that collects and stores pretty much every single bit of information out there, including phone calls, emails, this post/topic, and well pretty much everything. http://rt.com/news/utah-data-center-spy-789/

But this has been known about for awhile and the American and world public who have the attention span of gnats will forget about it in a few months when they are distracted by something new the media tells them about something completely different.
 
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Here's one more reason why I'm ashamed to be an American. Those of us who prefer privacy are clearly in the minority here. Americans across all demographics prefer "safety" over privacy. What was that Benjamin Franklin quote again?

Source: today's wall street journal compiled from data from Current Population Survery, Census Bureau, Pew REsearch Center/Washington Post telephone poll (wsj.com/washwire):
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^ so like, why's "safety in "quotations"?
You don't think the US government is and will be using this information to track and identify potential terrorist suspects?
Or do you just believe that the world's really safe place
 
^ Define "track", "identify" and "terrorist suspect" and provide me with proof that the government can never use the technology to threaten my privacy in any way outside of who I called and when. I might be on board with PRISM then, but the fact is Edward Snowden happened across one file on the one system he had access to - it's a little naive to think that NSA surveillance starts and stops with Verizon phone records. Obviously there would be benefits to such a large surveillance system, but between PRISM and the Patriot Act I doubt such surveillance would positively effect the average person in any meaningful way
 
Ondine: My use of "safety" in quotes -- The US government's massive surveillance programs have most likely not made us any safer. For starters, I refer you to the Boston Marathon bombings and the most recent spate of Ricin letters. Now we have neither safety nor privacy.
 
Okay, that made me laugh.

I'm waiting for someone to go all Tyler Durden on that Utah data center.
 
NSA spying beyond verizon?

http://www.naturalnews.com/040694_Edward_Snowden_Glenn_Greenwald_interview.html

So, I've heard of the verizon thing in the media but what about outside of verizon? According to this interview,
"Any analyst at any time can target anyone. Any selector, anywhere... I, sitting at my desk, certainly had the authorities to wiretap anyone, from you or your accountant, to a federal judge, to even the President..."
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and

"Even if you're not doing anything wrong, you're being watched and recorded. ...it's getting to the point where you don't have to have done anything wrong, you simply have to eventually fall under suspicion from somebody, even by a wrong call, and then they can use this system to go back in time and scrutinize every decision you've ever made, every friend you've ever discussed something with, and attack you on that basis, to sort of derive suspicion from an innocent life."
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So does that mean that they literally have access to everything and have only come out about verizon? What is the extent they can use this for?

What is going on?!?!
 
PriestTheyCalledHim said:
Don't forget the place in Utah that's been operating for years that collects and stores pretty much every single bit of information out there, including phone calls, emails, this post/topic, and well pretty much everything. http://rt.com/news/utah-data-center-spy-789/

But this has been known about for awhile and the American and world public who have the attention span of gnats will forget about it in a few months when they are distracted by something new the media tells them about something completely different.
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I agree with bagochina.
 
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Here's a lead if you guy's can find it. Back in 2006 or 2008 Congress passed a bill and within that Bill it required all hardware manufactured and sold within the US to have a backdoor for authorities to be able to enter the system and see if you are hiding any terrorist activities. They required a FISA judge to sign off on it in the legislation though. We know that the FISA judges are all in the government's back pocket already.

If someone could dig up this legislation it would be something more to add onto the pile. I can't remember the exact year or the name of the Bill it was snuck in on. I know Fudzilla and Digg both had articles on it. Back when Digg wasn't a steaming pile of horse manure obviously. My apologies for not remembering the exact year and name. I can't remember everything.
 
Former NATO Supreme Allied Commander Wesley Clark,

"I don't think people are going to stop using the Internet or stop making cell phone calls because of Snowden...Edward Snowden is going to disappear from the pages of history."


I think the government should start mandating seminars on how to not appear Orwellian in public.
 
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I think one of the most amusing things is the egg on the faces of all the people on forums like this one who called people who speculated on such an operation paranoid and tin foil hat wearers.

I have always maintained that if it is technically feasible, and the gain power from it, then of course they are doing it!

Expect it to get worse as technology progresses.. Pre crime... Never say never
 
Middleway said:
I think one of the most amusing things is the egg on the faces of all the people on forums like this one who called people who speculated on such an operation paranoid and tin foil hat wearers.
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I don't remember anyone who said that.

FISA-courts rubber-stamping spy operations is old news. So are programs like Echelon. Wide-spread NSA monitoring is a safe assumption.

That being said, I'd like to see a critical examination of Edward Snowden's claims. Some of the stuff he's claiming doesn't pass my bullshit filter. I do get the feeling that he inflates his claims in order to fit a narrative he's building.
 
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