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Sidnafilisevil said:
Just re-read the politics uk article posted a few pages back



Does this mean the end for UK legal highs sites? If so I think it might be a good thing and drive them to more well known tried and tested classic drugs. I could very well however have interpreted the bill, which makes no sense anyway.
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If you are criminalising the sale and purchase then you are criminalising possession. This is what the idiot Penning doesn't understand about his own bill. To not criminalise possession then one must come up with allowable possessive amounts for the literally hundreds of chemicals he wishes to ban.

To keep quoting Bernard Manning "It's a fucking disgrace"
 
The first thing that came to my mind when I read the bill was that whoever made it was on drugs themselves.

So by your reckoning this is the end for the UK legal high vendors?
 
Sidnafilisevil said:
Just re-read the politics uk article posted a few pages back



Does this mean the end for UK legal highs sites? If so I think it might be a good thing and drive them to more well known tried and tested classic drugs. I could very well however have interpreted the bill, which makes no sense anyway.
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Probably, though I've heard on the grapevine that some vendors have already thought of ways round it. It's been said lots of times on here but the main beneficiaries of this will of course be dealers of illegal drugs. But perhaps the old tried and tested substances are safest and that it will be best if these substances become the preserve of psychonaut communities in their own corners of the darknet again.

If it does come in then we all have a duty to start reporting innocuous substances from Holland & Barrett, perfumes, glue and infact anything you find that makes you feel "a bit funny". Will be slightly amusing for a short period of time.
 
Si Dread said:
The media furore & knee jerk politicising of drugs use is not statistically represented by the harms caused by drugs shock horror you say?

That's because the drugs war in the UK is an already lost moral crusade & has nothing to do with reducing harm & everything to do with the maintainance of the UK white-boy, upper class hegemony exemplified by pig fucking prime ministers & lead by our paedophile queen & a shit ton of perverted, greedy or just plain dense lackies.

Why is the UK slipping so far behind the drugs liberalistion politic sweeping the world? One word. MONARCHY! Queens too old to be taught new tricks!
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Well said

zombywoof said:
You know prohibition never worked in the garden of eden either
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Thousands die for the moral majority's self righteousness.
 
nuube said:
Thousands die for the moral majority's self righteousness.
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And far more people die from heroin. (and that's usually after all the induced crime)

Si Dread said:
The media furore & knee jerk politicising of drugs use is not statistically represented by the harms caused by drugs shock horror you say?

That's because the drugs war in the UK is an already lost moral crusade & has nothing to do with reducing harm & everything to do with the maintainance of the UK white-boy, upper class hegemony exemplified by pig fucking prime ministers & lead by our paedophile queen & a shit ton of perverted, greedy or just plain dense lackies.

Why is the UK slipping so far behind the drugs liberalistion politic sweeping the world? One word. MONARCHY! Queens too old to be taught new tricks!
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Y'know. It is a democracy in this country. If all the working class and black people vote green, upper class white boy wouldn't have a chance. Maybe there's a reason why most of the country want drugs prohibited?

As you smoke your dope - and try to further convince yourself, that they're all "PIGS" and you are a righteous hero... remember that this forum is quieter now, because so many of it's users have died and many more, are frankly lucky to be here.
 
I'm not lucky to be here, no luck involved whatsoever, and the reason all w/c etc don't vote labour is a) ruling class hegemony (look it up) and b) ignorance and the state of education.

Are you telling me everyone you disagree with on here is because they've formed their own thought? Or maybe, just maybe, they have other influences that drag them away from their own 'natural' interests?
 
Raas, people died because either they chose to experiment or the lack of regulation in the drugs people consume. Many of us are lucky to be here, in fact, we're all lucky in one way or another. People will always take drugs. IMO Regulation and education are the way forward.

At least this site goes a damn far way of educating people. They may not always listen to advice but frank advice is usually always given and mostly adhered to. There have been a few exceptions. <3
 
StoneHappyMonday said:
Raasyvibe said:
As you smoke your dope - and try to further convince yourself, that they're all "PIGS" and you are a righteous hero... remember that this forum is quieter now, because so many of it's users have died and many more, are frankly lucky to be here.
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I'm not lucky to be here, no luck involved whatsoever,
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I said "many", not every. The fact it doesn't apply to you, doesn't change my statement at all.


Sadie said:
Raas, people died because either they chose to experiment or the lack of regulation in the drugs people consume. Many of us are lucky to be here, in fact, we're all lucky in one way or another. People will always take drugs. IMO Regulation and education are the way forward.

At least this site goes a damn far way of educating people. They may not always listen to advice but frank advice is usually always given and mostly adhered to. There have been a few exceptions. <3
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Education has certainly been implemented by the government for years (didn't you get someone visiting your school explaining why drugs are bad?) And they at least made an attempt with FRANK. Education on bluelight can often do more harm than good and certainly encourages people to expand upon their drug taking; I can bring up many examples. I think this site works in the way of harm reduction in terms of support, but fails as it becomes more of a site to egg each other on and introduce others to new chemicals.

Regulation was attempted with Research Chemicals (If my understanding is correct they were legal and standardisation was bought in) and that didn't really work- hence the ban, and can be exemplified on this very forum ~

Ahem..
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Pagey said:
Just popping in to warn aMT lovers in the UK/anyone ordering from UK websites that myself, mrcientist and a third friend found ourselves in intensive care/the lovely defribrillating room for hours last weekend with serious cardiac issues and unending seizures etc. after taking aMT purchased from a UK vendor which we previously considered reputable.
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Also remember nicotine and alcohol are regulated, and they still claim many lives each year.
 
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Ceres said:
http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2015/oct/28/why-are-drugs-illegal-google-answer

must read, by David Nutt, explaining the basis for prohibition.
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^ Nice read. He's lost me here however:

" Lies about the number of legal high deaths abound, with Mike Penning, minister for policing and justice, quoting 129 last year in the bill’s second reading. The true figure is about five, as the “head shops” generally now sell safe mild stimulants because they don’t want their regular customers to die"

"About 5", "ABOUT"... I'd take the writing more seriously if he could come out with a figure, which isn't off the top of his head. Most reputable reports seem to suggest there's a considerable more amount of deaths, I can think of one from this site off the top of my head.

Nutt impressed :sus:
 
it's not off the top of his head, he knows what he's talking about and does research into exactly that. over 8000 people died from alcohol last year so clearly the govt has its priorities wrong.
 
interesting fact from that article btw

Since the demise of ecstasy we have seen the rise and fall of several alternative legal highs, most notably mephedrone. This was banned following a relentless media campaign, despite no evidence of deaths and with little attempt to properly estimate its harm. Subsequently we have discovered that it saved more lives than it took because so many people switched from cocaine and amphetamine to mephedrone that deaths from these more toxic stimulants decreased by up to 40%. Since mephedrone was banned in 2010, cocaine deaths have risen again and are now above their pre-mephedrone levels.
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^ The figures do sound a bit dubious to me, can anyone verify thaat?

Nutty also seems to miss out important details in his article, for instance with mephedrone:

http://www.drugscience.org.uk/blog/...phedrone-may-not-have-reduced-harms-to-users/
Caution may be needed in interpreting the small number of mephedrone deaths in 2010, and it is possible that some cases were missed because not all toxicology laboratories were able to identify this new substance.
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The whole article appears very narrow minded to me. He seems to think drug prohibition is limited to the greed and evil of the government and eminent figures and cannutt think outside of this. In reality there are far more practical reasons for prohibition, particularly on harder drugs. For instance heroin; obviously it kills a lot of people, ruins lives and is the causes people to turn to crime. But he doesn't list nuttin outside of his demonising of the government, in this instance his sole reason for it's illegitamacy is because the government hates black people:

Nutty said:
This process of vilifying drugs by engendering a fear of the “other people” who use them became a recurring theme in drug policy. Black Americans were stigmatised on account of heroin use in the 1950s. In the 1960s hippies and psychedelics were targeted because they opposed the Vietnam war.
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Prohibition of heroin, and the resultant unrealistic inflated high prices, are the reason people turn to crime.

As for missing mephedrone deaths. I would laugh but I might get banned. Don't you remember the 33 (or so) that got invented out of nowhere when Gordon Brown, who couldn't even pronounce the fucking name of the drug, decided the Sun he wanted it banned? Do you honestly believe there's ever been a death due to illicit drugs not recorded? Then you sir, are a bigger fool than I thought.
 
many deaths involving mephedrone (or just about any other rc) involved other drugs aswell, and were often serial polydrug abusers injecting it and so on, so difficult to directly attribute it to mephedrone.
 
Are we all forgetting the spike in vasoconstriction and purple limbs when mephedrone was freely available on the streets? Death is not the only form of harm when it comes to drug taking
 
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