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Plenty of vat on mpa i'd guess ;) and the same rate anyone else would pay too

What percentage of your wealth and income would have to be taxed/removed before you starve? And would it be different for a person on a low wage/benefits? hence progressive taxation (EDIT: woops i slipped into political strawman mode there, sorry :))

Though i don't think rcs would actually generate enough vat to worry the exchequer particuarly (millions not billions)
 
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BecomingJulie said:
It is denying people agency.

And usually, the blame is pointed in the wrong place. For instance, the time I tried sex work. I did not think of myself as a victim of my client. If I thought of myself as a victim at all, it was as a victim of a system that meant that the five cars parked outside the front entrance of the factory where I worked were worth more between them than the 200 cars parked in the main staff car park. None of which was mine, by the way; I was deciding whether to catch the bus home, walk home and put the gas heater on, or walk home and have something to eat. I did not last long on the game, by the way, mainly because I was not much good at it, and was back to the factory as normal on Monday.

The point is, I was a free agent; it was my choice to do sex work instead of something I regarded as worse than prostitution. And if you're going to say that there cannot be any meaningful consent where there is a pre-existing imbalance of power (such as teacher / student, doctor / patient or employer / employee), please remember again who is placing their cock is in whose hands and what effect that might have on the dynamics .....

Similarly, as a recreational drug user, I do not regard myself as a victim of my drug of choice (it's just 21 atoms of carbon, 23 atoms of hydrogen, one atom of nitrogen and five atoms of oxygen, for crying out loud; it has no mind; it can't get concepts like victimhood) nor of my dealer. Don't point the finger at someone who is just trying to earn a bob selling something that makes people less unhappy for awhile. That is a mere distraction. If you are desperate to paint drug users as victims, at least do us the service of painting us as victims of a system that is intolerable without chemical assistance, rather than what gets us through the day.

So, yeah, that is basically why I think you should be very careful about who you assume is being victimised -- and by whom.
Let them suffer, as a lesson, Why Drugs Are Bad.
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Agreed, if i hadn't sat out 4 days with out valium and caved on the 5th to see a doctor and gone over 2 nights with no sleep. I would probably still be on the shite but because i realized the WD's were fuckign awful (codiene is moist in comparison) and messed my mind up for a fortnight. I realized i better be off the shite cos it's no good.

Gotta hit rock bottom to learn a lesson
 
Vurtual said:
Plenty of vat on mpa i'd guess ;) and the same rate anyone else would pay too

What percentage of your wealth and income would have to be taxed/removed before you starve? And would it be different for a person on a low wage/benefits? hence progressive taxation (EDIT: woops i slipped into political strawman mode there, sorry :))

Though i don't think rcs would actually generate enough vat to worry the exchequer particuarly (millions not billions)
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Don't politicians also pay vat? In a way they are actually handing back their salary every time they buy a luxury good
 
Not much of it though - and only on the stuff they don't get for free from the expenses. Everyone pays the same vat too - it's a tiny fraction of the average politician's income, a much bigger chunk of poorer people's.
 
One Thousand Words said:
Don't politicians also pay vat? In a way they are actually handing back their salary every time they buy a luxury good
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And the amount of VAT paid by MPs is about as significant a proportion of the total as the drop of petrol that clings stubbornly to the end of the pump nozzle is to the tank capacity of that big SUV of yours.

Anyway, VAT is charged on rather more than luxury goods these days. Try to live without purchasing anything subject to VAT, and you will not last very long. Also, more expensive goods last longer than cheaper goods and therefore are purchased less often, contributing less to the economy. (A £750 washing machine will last longer than three £250 ones; but if £250 is as much as you can raise, you are condemned to a treadmill of replacement.)
 
One Thousand Words said:
my accountant cost around $3000 a year but he saves me ten fold that in taxes
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You old tax troll you ;) - well done, you've saved that money so you can be more comfortable while moaning about how your society breaks down. You do know that tax benefits rich people as well as poor don't you? (good luck getting dental customers with no roads/infastructure and more poverty/no nhs)
 
One Thousand Words said:
my accountant cost around $3000 a year but he saves me ten fold that in taxes
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Alternatively, you could be accused of doing your government out of $30 000 in tax money that they could have collected.

And before you say it, they will still pay for the coke and the hookers -- only this time, using money that could have spent on schools, hospitals and infrastructure.
 
The lords aren't having a laugh wasting time, it is their job to ensure that the law is just and watertight to prevent expensive legal challenges and loopholes. Hence the discussion about chocolate. I watched about 4 hours of the discussion and was really impressed by some of the discussion.

Lord Howarth even mentioned that the government should support bluelight (and safeorscam and others) as complimentary educational tools to Talk To Frank, as TTF doesn't cut it. I'll get the grant application ready shall I?
 
The flip side is I pay for private schooling for my children, saving the poor public system thousands each year. Ditto my private health insurance frees up public hospital beds and nurses.

Besides no one pays for coke and hookers. If you can't get laid with an 8 ball in your jacket pocket then are't really trying ;)
 
One Thousand Words said:
The flip side is I pay for private schooling for my children, saving the poor public system thousands each year. Ditto my private health insurance frees up public hospital beds and nurses.
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But disproportionately in your own favour and to everyone else's detriment. The money you spent on private education and healthcare would have gone further in the state system, by sheer economy of scale.
One Thousand Words said:
Besides no one pays for coke and hookers. If you can't get laid with an 8 ball in your jacket pocket then are't really trying ;)
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Well, I wouldn't know about that. I only tried it one time; and he wasn't even classy enough to have cheap speed, let alone cocaine. *shudder*
 
Please, any extra money only goes to the retarded special needs class any way. At least mine goes to real benefits of society like sailing boats and art galleries.

BecomingJulie said:
But disproportionately in your own favour and to everyone else's detriment. The money you spent on private education and healthcare would have gone further in the state system, by sheer economy of scale.Well, I wouldn't know about that. I only tried it one time; and he wasn't even classy enough to have cheap speed, let alone cocaine. *shudder*
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Perhaps if you weren't a dude he may have shelled out for charlie. Give it another shot and see how you go with your new mods
 
Transform said:
The lords aren't having a laugh wasting time, it is their job to ensure that the law is just and watertight to prevent expensive legal challenges and loopholes. Hence the discussion about chocolate. I watched about 4 hours of the discussion and was really impressed by some of the discussion.

Lord Howarth even mentioned that the government should support bluelight (and safeorscam and others) as complimentary educational tools to Talk To Frank, as TTF doesn't cut it. I'll get the grant application ready shall I?
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Some of those people (Paddick) have been calling for a review of the MODA for years & the introduction of this new legislation is the opportunity they've been awaiting...
 
One Thousand Words said:
Please, any extra money only goes to the retarded special needs class any way. At least mine goes to real benefits of society like sailing boats and art galleries.



Perhaps if you weren't a dude he may have shelled out for charlie. Give it another shot and see how you go with your new mods
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Makes me feel good knowing that my betters are such intelligent and empathetic souls ;) - although 'retarded special needs class' really describes the higher classes best.
 
Transform said:
The lords aren't having a laugh wasting time, it is their job to ensure that the law is just and watertight to prevent expensive legal challenges and loopholes. Hence the discussion about chocolate. I watched about 4 hours of the discussion and was really impressed by some of the discussion.

Lord Howarth even mentioned that the government should support bluelight (and safeorscam and others) as complimentary educational tools to Talk To Frank, as TTF doesn't cut it.
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I hope you're joking, I fear you aren't. 'Even' mentioned BL eh? Better take our pants down and let them rape us then.

The discussion, and yes I watched it, was a joke. There were no more than ten people there, one was certainly asleep and I'm not sure some of the others hadn't been dead for some time. As I mentioned earlier, as soon as Howarth had got past the amendments that would have been truly radical he apologised for the time he had taken up and withdrew them without chance for a vote. Though a vote with 10 people in attendance, one asleep, three dead, might have been interesting.

The reply to Howarth regarding the possibility of testing centres was illuminating. He was told 'drug users might abuse them'. To which he replied 'drug users don't want to die'.

And that was that.

Just? Watertight? Democracy?

You must have different definitions of these words to me.

Are you Danny Kushlick in disguise btw? He's been on a good thing for the past 20 years too. Transform must have had well over a million pounds in grants in that time. To get us precisely nowhere.
 
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