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NPS Act V1. Blankets? Just Say No!

One Thousand Words said:
This would seem to be the easiest solution. Give the population a compromise and I bet the number of people resorting to shit legal highs would plummet.
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I don't think anybody would disagree with you there.

All the evidence suggests that people want to get high. Prohibition has forced them towards even more harmful substances that just haven't been banned yet (in some cases, because nobody seriously expected that anybody would actually be daft enough to ingest them deliberately).
 
Ninae said:
Is it right that it won't affect overseas sales? In that case it won't be a problem. Although it has always been illegal to import, but they don't seem to mind.
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The ban will only affect UK-based vendors. EU and Wider World vendors (and Naughtyweb vendors if you are into such things) will not be affected.

Ceres said:
they should just legalise weed and follow the example of Colorado.
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They should. But is piss all use for those who don't want to use cannabis but would love to play with other categories of substance. Full legalisation = only acceptable answer to "the drug problem". FACT!
 
I'm making efforts to taper off kratom, from 30 g's a day to 15'g. atm, also tend to skip a bed time dose and still sleep fine (I have weed though obviously) thing is I think I can get off it cold turkey I don't think it will even be as bad as a codeine CT. I think the fear itself is always the biggest problem with getting off drugs. Your mind makes shit up
 
Dark Side said:
I think the fear itself is always the biggest problem with getting off drugs. Your mind makes shit up
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Q.F.T. Set and setting are just as important for coming off long-term drug use as anything else. If you have convinced yourself psychologically that you are going to have a bad experience, you will have a bad experience. Better to stay on your drug of choice until you're really, truly ready to come off and then be able to stay off longer, than to mis-time it and relapse.
 
I honestly wish they'd make rec mj legal where I live. last year it barely failed by like 3 votes.I think if we tried again it'd pass. My state doesn't have a tourist attraction and it'd help with revenues in a big way.We touch 5 states. Imagine if we were legal. I'm not a fan of weed. But I would defenitely use it to help with my pain meds.I still do not believe a blanket ban will solve anything.
 
"If Kratom is included eventually in the ban it will probably be from sometime in the autumn.

The proposed overall bill has three more House of Lords stages then five stages in the House of
Commons during which there will be much lobbying by people like ourselves.

There is then an
amendments stage before the final stage which is the final Royal Assent when a bill becomes
part of the law.

Stage three in the House of Lords is set for June 23rd, each stage seems to be more than ten days
apart.

Parliament shuts down from July 21st or 27th to September 7th so the earliest a ban might happen
is sometime in October or later."


Well...:(
 
spudgun said:
I think the few years I spent smoking an 8th a day have had more of a lasting effect than any other drug I've taken, legal or illegal. I haven't touched the stuff for years, but I believe the fairly low level social anxiety I have is mainly down to that period - I never worried before, but now I overthink things to stupid extents.
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Spot on. Although one thing i will add, is that the cannabis induced anxiety you mentioned appeared, for me at least, after I had started to use stronger psychedelic drugs (psilocybin, lsd, etc.)

I still maintain that heavy use - regardless of other drug use - caused me more issues than any other substance, despite the fact that most people seem to think it's really benign. I'm still all for legalisation of course, mostly to reduce harm - i.e. being able to get strains that aren't as mentally damaging, instead of whatever thc-heavy "skunk" the yardies down the road are growing.
 
BecomingJulie said:
Q.F.T. Set and setting are just as important for coming off long-term drug use as anything else. If you have convinced yourself psychologically that you are going to have a bad experience, you will have a bad experience. Better to stay on your drug of choice until you're really, truly ready to come off and then be able to stay off longer, than to mis-time it and relapse.
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Yeah my life has been hell since february because of the job center, the amount i drank between feb and march was just stupid. Thats what this governments policies does to you when you're are at the bottom of the pile. I find it hard to get a job when most jobs in this country are pathetic low skilled Customer service jobs and i'm not a social person.

Having a job is 100 times less stressful then not having a job, especially these days. I hate this country it's just full of cunts end of.
 
Dark Side said:
Yeah my life has been hell since february because of the job center, the amount i drank between feb and march was just stupid. Thats what this governments policies does to you when you're are at the bottom of the pile. I find it hard to get a job when most jobs in this country are pathetic low skilled Customer service jobs and i'm not a social person.

Having a job is 100 times less stressful then not having a job, especially these days. I hate this country it's just full of cunts end of.
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Awh I'm sorry you're going through this. I hope things pick up for you soon. The drinking thing, been there don't be hard on yourself. Life on benefits sucks yea. I'm with ye on a job being better.

The devils work, idle thumbs n all that malarky.

Things will get better try thinking positive.

Evey
 
Eveyvibe said:
The devils work, idle thumbs n all that malarky.
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Dark Side said:
I'm making efforts to taper off kratom, from 30 g's a day to 15'g. atm, also tend to skip a bed time dose and still sleep fine (I have weed though obviously) thing is I think I can get off it cold turkey I don't think it will even be as bad as a codeine CT. I think the fear itself is always the biggest problem with getting off drugs. Your mind makes shit up
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I gave it another go over the weekend, it really is far easier using stem and vein, because it acts as an antagonist it speeds up lowering of tolerance and recovery time by at least 50%. Because of its totally different properties to 'normal' kratom i massively overdosed at work this morning, not realising i would have no tolerance, taking my usual 10g of morning kratom in the form of stem and vein i was stressed to absolute fuck and jittery as hell, was thinking of driving home at lunch to get some benzos but i cant afford to put a foot wrong after already receiving a formal warning for bad timekeeping. I made the weekend with no problems, so the stress must have been sitautional. The day also seemed endless, they fly by on kratom, im gonna struggle to stick to any quit attempt until i absolutely have to do it. It feels like it will be totally managable, will just need to get used to time moving much slower again. When there's an easy option i find it very difficult to resist, and take the more difficult option instead. I could save a fortune if i stuck to stem and vein and completed a taper on it, i reckon at work id only need a gram or 2 in the morning, and it lasts for hours, maybe another gram or 2 in the afternoon, reminds me what it was like to have no tolerance. IIRC the worst of the WDs start to kick in on day 4 or 5, i could do with 2 months off work, shame the world doesnt work like that.:o

Ive quit several month run cold turkey a few times, its not bad physically, but mentally its tough, and the slow endless days where you're not interested in anything, nothing is enjoyable or fun, or cant be bothered to do anything; symptoms of depression i believe, i guess some sort of rebound is inevitable, i dont think ive managed to go longer than 4 or 5 weeks when i have quit. It just doesnt make sense to be miserable when you can feel good. I spose my longer term thinking should be telling me that after a couple of months my natural endorphins will start kicking in again. I beleieve that they will. Knowing this makes me a fuckin idiot. I'll go on spending good money to avoid those gloomy 2 months as long as possible, im not convinced time will ever pass so quickly once i quit kratom.
 
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http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-33226526 The UK government is being urged to put off a ban on so-called legal highs after claims similar legislation in the Republic of Ireland is flawed.
Ministers are due to publish draft laws modelled on Irish legislation introduced in 2010, with prison sentences of up to seven years.
However, a senior Irish drugs officer has admitted the law can leave police powerless to prosecute.
The Home Office said the UK system would be "flexible and proportionate".
The Irish Psychoactive Substances Act says it is illegal to buy or sell substances that are "psychoactive".
But a BBC investigation has found that Ireland's drugs squad is unable to act against a range of legal-high type drugs because of problems with the legislation.
To bring a prosecution, police must scientifically prove that a substance has a psychoactive effect. So far, there have been only four successful prosecutions in five years.
One form of synthetic cannabis linked to a number of deaths is being openly traded in some Irish towns, obtained on the internet and marketed as Clockwork Orange or Happy Joker. It costs about 10 euros a gram, or £10 a gram in the UK.
 
Ninae said:
"If Kratom is included eventually in the ban it will probably be from sometime in the autumn.

The proposed overall bill has three more House of Lords stages then five stages in the House of
Commons during which there will be much lobbying by people like ourselves.

There is then an
amendments stage before the final stage which is the final Royal Assent when a bill becomes
part of the law.

Stage three in the House of Lords is set for June 23rd, each stage seems to be more than ten days
apart.

Parliament shuts down from July 21st or 27th to September 7th so the earliest a ban might happen
is sometime in October or later."


Well...:(
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where did that quote come from? April 2016 is the earliest date ive seen mentioned anywhere:?
 
well the 2nd debate is happening tomorrow, i might just record the parliament channel for the whole day, and FFWD to the relevant bits when i get home, dunno if it'll get any mention on the main news, or do a 'highlights' or 'summary' thing on Newsnight. I dont think the first reading did make the main news, id like to know wtf is going on, and get myself better informed about all this. It only got mentioned today cos of those 2 lads in 1 Irish estate dying after taking cannabinoids, though i think one was a suicide.
 
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