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NPS Act Discussion V2. Novel, Psychoactive, Still here!

Er....who has cancer? My treatment was good. Three years clear now. At least until tomorrow's results.

Prick.

So I can still fuck your 'wife'. And dance on your grave.

Both?

I ask again, how many benzo withdrawal deaths do you see in the media. Pre-RC vendors like. Hardly gonna be a Daily Mail front page is it. More chance of one of those if you actually told the truth about something on BL.
 
I'll humour you and allow any anecdotal evidence such as a friend of a friend who had to leave their bedroom but their mum found them convulsing on the floor crying out for their etiz. Or not if you don't have any
 
You off SHM? Please don't on account of a pathetic joke that I have made which did nothing more than speculate on another members post.

I am positive it was motivated entirely by 'column A'.

I know it's frustrating to watch the place crumble around you when you have been posting for so long but everybody is sick and tired of the tit for tat.
 
It's a designer version of Phenmetrazine, an amphetamine type synthetic stimulant that, at the same time as amphetamine itself, became controlled under Class B of the Misuse of Drugs Act 1972 (and of course controlled under Class A as per usual if prepared for injection). It is schedule 1 under the Medicines Act 1968 as far as I am aware as unlike amphetamine or cocaine I do not think it ever had any medical use.

The designer version, known as 3 - flourophemnetrazine (3- FPM) became one of the more popular commercially available NPS stimulants while it was domestically available to purchase prior to the enforcement of the Psychoactive Substances Bill 2016 earlier this summer, and is still desirable my many users users due to it's effect and largely comprehensive range of ROA's, being active when taken orally, insufflated, administered IV or IM, pluged and vaped. It is higly effective by all of these routes, but is highly caustic in nature leading to anecdotal reports of tissue damage to musics membranes due to repeat exposure.
 
statistics on patterns of health problems, drug use, crime, deaths and so on don't just magically appear out of thin air in realtime, don't expect to see the full impact of this policy for some time yet.

the only immediately obvious impact of the legislation is the dissapearance of the public facing domestic legal highs market (except alcohol).
 
Over 330 physical retailers stop selling formerly legal highs

More than 330 shops, takeaways, tattoo parlours, petrol stations and newsagents have stopped selling formerly legal highs three months after the blanket ban on novel psychoactive substances, according to newly released Home Office figures.

Police forces across England and Wales report they have arrested 186 alleged offenders involved in the trade in the substances, and 24 head shops have closed down altogether since the blanket ban came into effect on 26 May.

The term novel psychoactive substances covers a wide range of chemicals that mimic the effects of traditional illicit drugs and include nitrous oxide (laughing gas) canisters, which have been popular at festivals. They are often sold under brand names such as Clockwork Orange, Bliss and Mary Jane as a lucrative sideline by high-street retailers.

Commander Simon Bray, the National Police Chiefs Council lead for psychoactive substances, said: “The significant reduction in the number of head shops and retailers stocking psychoactive substances in just three months demonstrates the hard work of officers across the country in getting these harmful drugs off the market. It is still early days but the police enforcement approach combined with education and support services for users is helping to reduce the damage that misuse of these substances can cause in communities.”

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Nothing too surprising in there really, other than maybe the surprisingly low number of headshops which actually shut down completely (just 28 according to the article). Would be intriguing to compare stats for naughtyweb sales before and after the NPS ban - I suspect there will be a noticeable bumping up of sales of illegals from naughtyweb vendors. I know that's what the few people I know of personally who previously bought a lot of stuff from UK-based "legal high" sites have done. Although the demand for certain previously legal products is still high so I wouldn't be too surprised to see one or two (particularly MXE) start to be more widely produced on the black market.

Anybody heard anything about the unfortunate masses who had their licit benzo supply cut off? I presume most stocked up heavily in the run-up but there's bound to be those who were caught with their pants down one way or another :\
 
Shambles said:
Although the demand for certain previously legal products is still high so I wouldn't be too surprised to see one or two (particularly MXE) start to be more widely produced on the black market.
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I don't see any reason why MXE is likely to suddenly reappear - there hasn't really been any particularly popular legal dissociatives in the UK since it was banned, and yet there has never been any black market production AFAIK. Europe and the US still have 3-meo-PCP and the likes, so are probably unlikely to jump on the bandwaggon any time soon.

Hope I'm wrong :)
 
Low-level black market production and distribution of MXE is already happening in the US (not in the UK yet though afaik). The demand is certainly there (somebody recently offered me £300 to source any amount I could - I, of course, refused because a) I'm not a dealer, and b) I'd snaffle it all myself if I could source any :D) so I could definitely see it take off as an illegal - especially with the chronic lack of decent ket at reasonable prices. 3-MeO-PCP/E has always been far too niche to make it as a street drug and is still widely available from legit vendors anyway, but people are crying out for MXE. Supply, demand... and it seems supply is very much in demand.
 
Apart from a vendor sample of MXP which was, underwhelming to say the least, I have never taken a dissociative anaesthetic - i've never really seen the attraction in ket ( all my friends used to hole themselves constantly so there is me thinking - whats the difference between these folks and me lying on my bed zone - gauched, and the notoriety of PCP never attracted me towards that one ) but time and time again Bluelighters and those in (my admittedly microscopic) social circle has never had anythng but good things to say about MXE. If it's that good, then I can't fault your logic Sham - surely if it is that desirable then, with no clearnet vendors able to trade in the drug anymore, then surely it must hit the BM at some point.

Just let me know when it does....
 
I think one of the problems with MXE was, that many people were treating it just as they would ket. Appart from the two making you a bit wobbly on your feet. there really isn't a whole lot of similaries.
 
I've noticed MXE becoming more and more available on markets. Whether it is still being synthed or its stockpiles from before the ban is unknown. Id hazard a guess that some wholesale vendors from China had the foresight to knock loads up before that rather large and varied list of precursors got banned.

If they are new batches id certainly be very wary now that the relative safety provided from reputable vendors has been removed and replaced by the uncertainty of the black market.
 
ScotchMist said:
If they are new batches id certainly be very wary now that the relative safety provided from reputable vendors has been removed and replaced by the uncertainty of the black market.
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Naturally. The one and only guaranteed "success" of the prohibition policy has always been to make relatively safe substances far more dangerous and highly profitable for often less than entirely wholesome distributors. Sadly it's just the way of the world. Anything made on the black market is almost certainly never going to be trustworthy. Whether that would make it any more or less iffy than any other illicit substance will only become clear in time I suppose.

As for "new" supplies of supposed MXE on a more widespread scale, I'd suspect it may just be suitably cut O-PCE. Could certainly see that passing for MXE for those who weren't especially familiar with MXE itself. Could be the real deal but I'd question the delay between initial ban and sudden reappearance.
 
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