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NPS Act Discussion V2. Novel, Psychoactive, Still here!

The quality of the LSD that is available has never been better. Not in my lifetime anyway. Its plentiful, extremely high quality and easy to get. The Sacred Geometry Swiss Bliss tabs tested at 98.7% pure and 148ug by energy control. Advertised as 98.5% and 150ug. Now there are 99.5% pure needlepoint 150ug Flower of Life blotters available from the same source. Mister has tried them and said he didn't really like acid till he tried these. Its as good as it gets. Its out there. Waiting on mine to arrive.
 
Completely legal, completely untested and guinea pig'd willy-nilly on any number of people for any number of purposes from the high-minded, to the high-as-a-kite-minded, to the deeply, deeply despicably-minded. LSD is pretty much the granddaddy of all RC's.

For me there are two broad RC categories (leaving aside what they actually do). On the one hand there are those that stem from Saint Shulgin's school of thought - many of which were no better tested in vivo than the godawful synth noids when they made it to market. On the other there are the endless stream of ever more iffy stims & 'noids and their ilk. These latter are the ones that cause most problems and they only exist because the ones that have good theoretical safety profiles (St Shulgin's back catalogue and those that had previously been in clinical trials for Big Pharma) were banned early on leaving chemists chasing down active molecules ever deeper into unplumbed depths. As ever with the prohibitionist approach, just made things more and more dangerous for both users and wider society.
 
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Completely legal, completely untested and guinea pig'd willy-nilly on any number of people for any number of purposes from the high-minded, to the high-as-a-kite-minded, to the deeply, deeply despicably-minded. LSD is pretty much the granddaddy of all RC's.

For me there are two broad RC categories (leaving aside what they actually do). On the one hand there are those that stem from Saint Shulgin's school of thought - many of which were no better tested in vivo than the godawful synth noids when they made it to market. On the other there are the endless stream of ever more iffy stims & 'noids and their ilk. These latter are the ones that cause most problems and they only exist because the ones that have good theoretical safety profiles (St Shulgin's back catalogue and those that had previously been in clinical trials for Big Pharma) were banned early on leaving chemists chasing down active molecules ever deeper into unplumbed depths. As ever with the prohibitionist approach, just made things more and more dangerous for both users and wider society.
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Its admittedly questionable either say but I'd class things like F-lam as being even more iffy than the s-noids and dodgy stims.....

Its 6 of one and half a dozen of the other but the consequences of some of these uber potent nor-benzos scare me more from a healthcare point of view....
 
Definitely well iffy but of a known nature at least. Properly dangerous but benzos don't seem to come with any real surprises at least. The real problem with them is, I would argue, the same as the others - the fact that the more moderate, better known ones tend to go bye-bye whilst ever more potent ones are being churned out. And, worst of all, zero information is allowed to be provided to users at the point of sale. The average punter has no idea of what they are getting themselves into and in the case of reckless benzo abuse that could be fatal. Again, prohibition itself is the problem and a very large chunk of the responsibility for the fate of the poor sods caught out with a major benzo addiction lies with the prohibitionists.
 
Yet benzos are not prohibited, they are currently regulated via scripting through health professionals who assess, prescribe and monitor their effects, often changing the dosing and type of compound to match their desired effects.

The problems exist with uneducated populous deciding to takes these compounds without adhering to any guidelines on their correct usage.
 
1.5 million benzo addicts in UK. Doctors still being sued for not following guidelines.

Source. All party parliamentary group on drug misuse.

Wrongful prescription of benzos, biggest hidden drug story in the world. So don't give me no health professional crap.
 
So how full are the emergency rooms this past months since the ban?

Seems awfully quiet compared to the death march that was sung predicting doom these past 12 months
 
Give it time and stop being ignorant. People stocked up. You saw that on this board. When those stocks run out, fan meet shit. Because GPs won't help.
 
Don't be shy to post the toll if these numbers do eventuate.

Then again if they were using this stash to taper I'm sure they'll be fine
 
Why do you revel in ignorance?

Do you, or do you not believe UK vendors sold hundreds of thousands of benzos up until the ban?

Do you or do you not understand why there are still 1.5 million benzo addicts, from prescriptions, in this country?

Have you worked out, or do you even have the medical knowledge, that sudden cessation of benzo use after prolonged addiction can, and often does, lead to death?

What is so hard for such an intelligent man like yourself to understand here?

Talking to you is like pulling teeth.
 
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I think if the substance is worthy and demand is there then supply will occur. LSD is hard to make, the ingredients tightly controlled but yet it is still widely available. Because people want it and the people behind it's production believe in it...so thats probably not the best example. But where there is demand and money to be made their will be people prepared to make it happen whatever their motivations are..
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Then why has MXE been out the picture nearly a year on from the EU, US and Chinese bans? It is arguably the most popular new drug, at least in the psychedelic focus forum - something like 17 big and dandy threads and it only came into use around 2011/2012? The demand is clear, yet nobody seems to have cashed in on the opportunity (not to mention, it is a drug a lot of people "believe in", similar to LSD).

Part of me hopes that the reason illicit MXE production has never taken off is because there were too many legal dissociatives that were considered MXE "replacements". Now the lot have been banned and the competition removed, maybe someone will step up to the plate? Probably not though, as MXE production seemed to be soley tackled abroad.

In general, I wonder how much the change in demand and drug users preferences over that occurred over the last few years (the RC years) will change the illicit drug market to come?
 
mxe has been out of the picture because it never dislodged ket for the market for the real afficionados and the people that use it for reasons other than recreation are probably not a big enough market share to cater for.
 
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What does this blanket ban exactly mean in the UK ? Every RC is not allowed to be consumed or just not allowed to sell/dispatched ? Or is it just an analogue law for all substance classes ?
 
In the UK it is legal to ingest (or for an individual to take by any ROA) any drug of any kind.

However, The Misuse of Drugs Act 1971 has identified a number of drugs which they now class as 'controlled' - these too are legal to 'ingest' (which is different to 'swallowing drugs for smuggling purposes' as the idea in these cases is the drugs are sealed sufficiently well enough so that they do not get ingested and can pass through the digestive system intact). They are however, prohibited to possess on or about your person, vehicle or premises and it is prohibited to supply or attempt to supply, import or export any of the drugs named within the MODA 1971. The maximum penalties for offences committed under the MODA 1971 vary depending on the type of controlled drug or drugs implicated in the offense.

Any chemicals that are 'capable of producing a Psychoactive effect' which were not classified as 'controlled drugs' under the MODA 1971 by the time the new law The Psychoactive Substances Act (PSA) 2016 was finally enforced on the 26th May are, like all other drugs in the UK, still legal to take but the new legislation allows for the lawful personal possession of such chemicals (unless it is within a custodial institution), provided they do not contain any drugs 'controlled' by the MODA 1971. However, the PSA has made it a criminal offense to supply, attempt to supply, import or export any current or hypothetical chemical capable of producing a psychoactive effect, with a maximum penalty of 7 years imprisonment as a potential disposal for such offences.

The PSA 2016 has exempted certain psychoactive drugs it regards as causing acceptable levels of harm, such as ethanol and tobacco from it's remit. It has also exempted butyl nitrates ('poppers') as they do not DIRECTLY produce a psychoactive effect directly on the brain (???!!!!!!).

Clear as mud? I hope so, as that would be a good generalisation of national drug policy in the UK.
 
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