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i get good rolls. my friends get the same ones i do and test them, the ones ive had are basically unadulterated completely (i only buy when theyre good). im not trying to dicksize but just get it in your heads that these are good pills i see that being questioned a lot.

i am by no means physically dependent on opiates. for 3 years now ive stayed at a strict regimen of 2-3 days a week with no days in a row. i take the occasional week or month off with no real problems, just to keep my life going straight. so yeah really no addiction at all understand that

so i have taken rolls 4 or 5 times with the responsible 4-6 weeks in between. however i have never really rolled. i basically feel energetic and fast but with absolutely no euphoria or other positive effects to speak of. so the last 2 times i have they were the same pills, 5 weeks apart, but the 2nd time i ate them i took some oxy too and it was one of the best drug experiences ive ever had.

so can i just really not roll without opiates or what?
 
2-3 days a week for more than a year (even with month long break) is still close to having a habit. Now you might not be physically dependent, but you know...

Regarding your issues, I highly doubt that opiates have anything to do with you not being able to roll. I've know IV users who were able to roll without any problems even though they didn't use that day. From what I know, you can even roll during WD - it's actually kinda weird. You get all the effects from MDMA, but you still feel some of the WD effects like cold/hot flashes and stuff.

Do you by any chance take any SSRIs or any other meds?
 
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uhh yeah! opiates take over your natural ability to make endorphins... So when you're not using the opiates your body has to get use to start producing them again.
And what makes a roll feel so good as in body high is endorphins. Well it is one of the things that contributes to the euphoria. So your natural endorphins are fairly low, when you stop taking the opiates, so when you roll, your body has not much endorphins to release.

I would suggest eating lots of HEALTHY fats, such as omega 3's (fish oil) flaxseed oil, maybe coconut oil. I'm pretty sure I read somewhere that your body makes endorphins out of fats. But I dont know which ones. These are all good for your brain either way.
 
levictus said:
2-3 days a week for more than a year (even with month long break) is still close to having a habit. Now you might not be physically dependent, but you know regarding.

Regarding your issues, I highly doubt that opiates have anything to do with you not being able to roll. I've know IV users who were able to roll without any problems even though they didn't use that day. From what I know, you can even roll during WD - it's actually kinda weird. You get all the effects from MDMA, but you still feel some of the WD effects like cold/hot flashes and stuff.

Do you by any chance take any SSRIs or any other meds?
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yes i realize its close to a habit, but theres a big difference between almost and there. but i see what you mean.

no i did a few years ago... i smoke a lot of weed and use tobacco about as often as opiates.
 
thats interesting. so how many e pills do you usually take and how many did you take the time you took oxy as well? also how much oxy did you do the time that was amazing?
 
its.euphoric said:
So when you're not using the opiates your body has to get use to start producing them again.
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This is entirely absurb(much like many of your posts...unfortunately for our readers :(). Your body is constantly producing endorphins, albeit at different rates.
The notion that in vivo synthesis of endorphins ever completely stops in a living human is rediculous.
 
Yea dude
You completely fucked up your body's dopamine production
things like heroin and meth serously act on dopamine, and regular usage such as yours will really mess with how you euphoric things like sex or rolling are for you.
You might want to try L-Dopa , or at the very least L-Tyrosine (its like 5htp, but for dopamine) for a few weeks, and then roll (obviously no opiate usage during this time).
This should help you recover much quicker also
 
i take 1 roll always. and usualy about 20mg oxy... but its been as high as 50mg and as low as 15
 
its.euphoric said:
uhh yeah! opiates take over your natural ability to make endorphins... So when you're not using the opiates your body has to get use to start producing them again.
And what makes a roll feel so good as in body high is endorphins. Well it is one of the things that contributes to the euphoria. So your natural endorphins are fairly low, when you stop taking the opiates, so when you roll, your body has not much endorphins to release.

I would suggest eating lots of HEALTHY fats, such as omega 3's (fish oil) flaxseed oil, maybe coconut oil. I'm pretty sure I read somewhere that your body makes endorphins out of fats. But I dont know which ones. These are all good for your brain either way.
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MDMA releases serotonin, dopamine, and norepinephrine, not endorphins. Most mu opioid agonists (like oxy from OP's post) bind opiate receptors, they do not in themselves release endorphins. Your argument is invalid.

Whoever noted that IV opiate users and even people in withdrawal can roll is absolutely correct. In my experience opiate use does not really change the characteristic of the roll at all, and in fact during withdrawals rolling still feels pretty great.
 
Hmmm...I can only offer one incident of ancedotal evidence. The last time I rolled I snorted about 20 mg of oxy (with no real opiate tolerence) and while I did roll, the oxy was certainly overpowering the mdma feeling. It was there but certainly in the background.

Do you know why that would be? I was incredibly (and gloriously!!) rocked from the oxy before I ever dropped a capsule of mdma.
 
purplefirefly said:
Hmmm...I can only offer one incident of ancedotal evidence. The last time I rolled I snorted about 20 mg of oxy (with no real opiate tolerence) and while I did roll, the oxy was certainly overpowering the mdma feeling. It was there but certainly in the background.

Do you know why that would be? I was incredibly (and gloriously!!) rocked from the oxy before I ever dropped a capsule of mdma.
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It may partially be due to how familiar you are with both drugs. My combinations were all during a period of daily oxy use, so I think I was able to set the oxy feeling aside (since I already was used to feeling it all the time), and focus more on the MDMA experience.

Also, alot of the times that I combined the two I would do the reverse order, take my rolls, then at the peak do oxy, and in that order, I would tend to feel the oxy a bit more, but I'd still feel the roll going fairly strong as well.
 
I'm very experienced when it comes to mdma, but definitely not as experienced with opiates as I've only developed an appreciation for them within the last couple years.

In hindsight, I think you are correct, I should have taken the mdma first and then at the peak taken the oxy. I will try that the next time the opportunity presents itself....and god to I hope that the opportunity presents itself :)
 
delta_9 said:
This is entirely absurb(much like many of your posts...unfortunately for our readers :(). Your body is constantly producing endorphins, albeit at different rates.
The notion that in vivo synthesis of endorphins ever completely stops in a living human is rediculous.
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No it's not, it's dumb that you say these things like you know everything, if you're going to say someone is lying then back it up w/ something.
I never said that it "entirely stops" You're putting words in my mouth that I never said. I said that using opiates messes with your natural ability to make endorphins naturally... everyone knows that.

That's why when you with drawl it's your body getting use to making it's own endorphins again, and that's why you're in so much pain, because your body is unnaturally short on endorphins.

(please try to resist name-calling; it only inflates tempers and makes it harder to argue objectively. -- RGB)
 
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its.euphoric said:
uhh yeah! opiates take over your natural ability to make endorphins... So when you're not using the opiates your body has to get use to start producing them again.
And what makes a roll feel so good as in body high is endorphins. Well it is one of the things that contributes to the euphoria. So your natural endorphins are fairly low, when you stop taking the opiates, so when you roll, your body has not much endorphins to release.

I would suggest eating lots of HEALTHY fats, such as omega 3's (fish oil) flaxseed oil, maybe coconut oil. I'm pretty sure I read somewhere that your body makes endorphins out of fats. But I dont know which ones. These are all good for your brain either way.
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The main reason you get high on MDMA is Serotonin release, not endorphin's.
 
RedRum OG said:
no i did a few years ago...
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Red gum, is this referring to use of an ssri?

There is both scientifdic and anecdotal evidence that extended use of an ssri can make permanent or close to permanent changes to the way things work in the brain and as such many people find it very difficult to get a high from mdma even months or possibly years after there use. It is true however that some who come here claim they were able to roll. While that part is hardly scientific it may suggest its partly due to everyone being different.

How much is extended use? Again, it probably depends on the person.
 
i kind of understand what you're talking about.

what kind of environment are you in?

one of my theories is that you kind of expect a roll to be like an opiate and give you pleasure but its something completely different
 
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