Not a steroid issue, but I'd like some advice

I've heard similar things too when I was into bodybuilding, but how much weight are they using? I'm betting a bit more than what the op will be able to do at 140lbs. And they're also using gear/gh and eating an insane ammount of food. For the normal person I think there's no reason to not do squats and deads.

If I were the op I wouldn't worry about anything other than trying to gain 30-40lbs. After that worry about leaning out a bit if you want. A lot of things that top level bodybuilders do aren't necessarily things that are going to be helpful or beneficial for someone starting out, or your average gym goer. But I think bodybuilding is stupid now anyways and am into powerlifting lol. Worry about the gut after you put some decent mass on.
 
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Legs = squats , hack squats , stiff deads - without these you will never come close to hitting potential not only for your legs but also reap any of the REAL benefits of lifting a large muscle class like that. (release of gh etc) .

I would look into doggcrapp training honestly - it is simple enough (i have the pdf's if you need them) and you can really focus on the tried n true basics and keep track of your goals as you see your body change / strength increase.
 
nuttynutskin said:
I've heard similar things too when I was into bodybuilding, but how much weight are they using? I'm betting a bit more than what the op will be able to do at 140lbs. And they're also using gear/gh and eating an insane ammount of food. For the normal person I think there's no reason to not do squats and deads.

If I were the op I wouldn't worry about anything other than trying to gain 30-40lbs. After that worry about leaning out a bit if you want. A lot of things that top level bodybuilders do aren't necessarily things that are going to be helpful or beneficial for someone starting out, or your average gym goer. But I think bodybuilding is stupid now anyways and am into powerlifting lol. Worry about the gut after you put some decent mass on.
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I agree and I still do squats/deads but it's probably true. Nothing wrong with bodybuilding. That's what I love to do.
 
Nothing wrong with bodybuilding if it's something you enjoy, I was into it for quite a while before powerlifting. I just got tired of it because I was never really going to go anywhere with it, and I was always burned out trying to do similar routines as pros on gear were doing. So I took to powerlifting because I liked the training philosophy better and liked lifting heavy.
 
auhsoJ said:
I'm sure you can builds nice legs without squats. They won't be on an equal level but nice. Squats/deads make your belly bigger. I recently read about a few pros dropping them because of that.
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I don't understand. What does make your belly big mean?
I'm trying to think of what that could mean and how they could cause that and I'm drawing blanks... :?
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and I was always burned out trying to do similar routines as pros on gear were doing
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Powerlifters are known to use as well.
 
My guess is from your core having to constantly be under pressure. This could apply to barbell rows too. As nutts said though the weight would have to be substantial. I guess it's your waist the gets bigger not necessarily your "belly". Like it appears wider.
 
I don't think squats put on significant belly size. Ronnie Coleman has a HUGE core and that is most likely due to all the human growth hormone he takes.

If I am correct back when Arnold was in his prime HGH was not as popular among the bodybuilders, just steroids. He had a 28 inch waist, not big by any standards (his back and chest were more than 60 inches). I'm all about that V-shape, not a huge 6 pack that sticks just as far as your pecs.
 
SirBreakALot said:
I don't think squats put on significant belly size. Ronnie Coleman has a HUGE core and that is most likely due to all the human growth hormone he takes.

If I am correct back when Arnold was in his prime HGH was not as popular among the bodybuilders, just steroids. He had a 28 inch waist, not big by any standards (his back and chest were more than 60 inches). I'm all about that V-shape, not a huge 6 pack that sticks just as far as your pecs.
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It is a combination of things , cycles have evolved drastically , drugs like insulin , igf1lr3 , HGH , ghrps - these are some of the MANY vast improvements in drug use since arnold.

Ronnie's gut - combo , all the sauce , sure it makes a diff, the insane amount of weight he can squat - that's a LOT of pressure on the stomach - pushing it out - he came in w a 40" waist , no debates he won (among judges, debates imo *grumble*)
 
major philosophy said:
I'm 18, will be going to college in the fall, and I weigh hardly 140 lb. I'm 5'5'' (italian...) Been lifting for a year or two, been serious this last year. My workout right now is called Doggcrap Training. Basically, you do legs and bi's one day, then the other muscles the next time you come back. It goes every other day, with cardio on off days if you want.

How it works is... For bi's I'll do one exercise. We can call this day Monday. I will do what I can for failure, then rest for 10 good breaths, go again, rest, then go again. You should get a total of 11-15 reps depending on the exercise. Directly after the set, you stretch the muscle for a minute. Then the next time you come back you will do chest,back,etc (wednesday). On friday, you will do your bi's again but will do a different exercise to failure, and the next time you do bi's it will be a different exercise again. There is a total of 3 exercises that you do in cycle. I've been eating well for the most part, or atleast trying. Should I change anything? Are there better workouts to do? I want to get decently sized before i head off to college. First impressions are everything and I want mine to be the best it can be. Understand? Please help if possible
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im going to bullet-point instead of quoting over and over ;P
- eating "well" sounds like you're aiming for quality over quantity. For your needs right now, quantity needs to be a major focus. I'm not saying to eat like shit, but eating 'sufficient' healthy calories won't do much to help you bulk, you gotta gorge ;PP
- that routine sounds like WAY too much volume imo
- hearing you talk about training "bi's" gives me the impression you're doing isolation moves. At your size, w/ your goals, you should be doing compound lifts and eating as much as possible, it'll be the fastest way to bulk up.

How many calories are you getting daily? Protein g's?
 
//and re the "squats/DL's" = big stomach... well, yeah, stomach muscles will grow from these lifts. Trust me, there's no reason whatsoever to worry about your squats making your belly big. If you're still worried, just remember that those muscles will take a LONG time to grow, so you can redesign your routine if your ab muscles got too big ;P
 
What is the point of lifting if you don't have a strong core? At your weight, why worry about your trunk growing when you want to build quality dense muscle mass overall? You CANNOT go wrong with the big three - squat, bench and deadlift. And that bullshit about bodybuilders dropping squats and pulls because they want to save their V-taper? That's utter Bullshit. If they publish it, they're BS'ing. All the pro BB'ers I know (and I know MANY personally and coach them on training and supplements) incorporate heavy compound movements into ALL of their training cycles, even their cutting cycles leading up to shows. Some just choose to wear thick powerlifting belts during squat and deadlifts to help keep their midsections tight - not only to avoid injury during cutting but also because they're under the impression it keeps their waistline slimmer during those movements.

If you want to grow, you need to do the basics - EAT, SLEEP, and TRAIN the Big 3 HEAVY! If you want to grow bigger, faster and stronger, do the above on gear. At your age though, you should have plenty of natural testosterone in your body to grow considerably before thinking of gear - so max our your natural potential first.
 
agreed.
the big 3 aren't "required", but they may as well be. I'm sure i could design a routine w/ good mornings, bent rows, overhead bb presses, etc, that would approach a standard big3 regimen, but there's no way in hell you can approach it w/ normal 'isolation' moves. hell, i have big biceps for my size and i don't do curls, they already get enough work through my bigger lifts.
and having a strong core is pretty much a requirement to continue adding muscle after a certain point. the body won't put on largely unbalanced portions of muscle, you won't have huge thighs with a weak belly/back.
/and screw pl'ing belts, never saw anything convincing about preventing injury long term. your core IS your belt imo
 
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