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Not a Pill Report - Voters, Somthing to think about

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This gets pretty depthy, but might be interesting to a few of you? let me know what u think...as no doubt u will
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Last week a mother basically "baked" her 11mth old baby by leaving it strapped in a sealed car in a sunny carpark on a 40deg day for hours, because playing the pokies was more important to her. Today she is freely walking the streets, awaiting court. One of John Howards main comments was "It happens".
Lets Look: There has been no major outcry spanning from this. Again Pokies are responsible for one of the most horrific deaths in australia, and along with that is the addition & debt of 10000's of People (Primarily because the pokies venues are spread accross victoria, with no more that 15kms between venues....It's like a herion addict being offered a full ready to stick needle every 15kms. But theres still govt money buiding more and more and more without any sign of slowing.
Herion, the Deadliest most addictive drug in circulation in Australia is now basically openly accepted, and bottle fed to addicts. These are people that have no chance to clean themselves up now, because it is so available & accepted, and to top it off they have a nice little supply of equipment & safe rooms to push them further into the deathjaws of heroin (theres no coming back!)
It is sold very very openly in the street of Melbourne anytime of the day (even to the point of it being offered to passers by without any fear!)
Once out of cash, the addiction is so strong the person will lower themselves to basically any form of crime to get the cash to get the hit. There is plenty of help for ppl who really want it, but for the majority, the addiction is too strong. Within months of starting they become social outcasts, out of their minds most hours of the day.
Heroin is an addiction for a very short life Once addicted, you can pretty much say goodbye to them to death or just to the gutters where they become filthy, cheating, theiving, gutter rats. (without fail one of the 2 paths)
There is a harsh detox program available, that has had somthing like a 90% success rate.
Govt budget & resouce, and much harsher laws (death for importation) would be of great value in this area. Where there will be great social gain.
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Happy Vally - One guy, who has no self control, drinking for 3 days with no sleep, decieds on the last day that he needs more so drops 7 pills within a pretty short timeframe, and then tops it off with a job of speed. Not to mention any chems he had taken the 2 days earlier?
Wow the public wakes up? Little Johnny wakes up? "We've got to do somthing" they all yell "Ban Raves" "Push more police resource into cracking down on ecstasy" "more e busts now!"
Lets look: clean mdma, used within logical moderation, and with prior information (similar to this site)is a 100% safe drug (I know of testing in at least one melbourne hostpital for over 15yrs! - short term issues can occur (memory, weight etc) but no physical addiction and nothing that can't be counteracted with healthy living).
Facilities @ raves to have tabs tested (not just an Ez-Test!)would be a great starting point to clear out the bad pills. There is so many things that can be done to stop ecstasy, and all of them lie with the authorities. Lets face it, supply will never be stopped, with correct information the majority of people do know how to handle themselves, and will make thier own correct decisions (You may ask 'isn't heroin a choice for people...fuck no, as I said once addicted (which is pretty damn easy)your're pretty much gone) Yes there will always be 1 person to fuckup and overdo it, A similar person will always exist in every single area of life, whether it be drugs or firearms or cars,fire,alcahol,etc.etc.
It's been proven already, in the last few years, there is a lot more information available, and the injury/death has dropped dramatically.
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Point: Is it just me, is there no logic at all in the way things are currently working? What is wrong with people. SURELY THIS IS LOGIC AUSTRALIA!!! Things are the wrong way round!!!
John Howard is more jacked up about ONE guy acting just fucking dumb! ending up dead, than the continuation and and growth of other much much more detrimental problems.
Take a real good look at the legal system, 95% is a waste of time and money, there are so many logical major changes that could be made in australia to create a much safer and free'r country. But no-one has the balls to speak up!!
SPEAK UP!!!!
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Basically I agreed with most of what you said.But as for what you said about Heroin addicts,get it right.You obviously don't know any,otherwise you wouldn't be stereotyping them in the way you did.I found it really offensive for you to suggest this about Heroin addicts because someone very close to me is one and is nothing like what you suggested.
 
yeah, i agree - you shouldn't stereotype heroin users unless you want to be stereotyped as an ecstasy user yourself.
a lot of heroin (and coke for that matter) users are middle/high class lawyers and barristers and people in influential positions. all sorts of people take heroin, not just the street smackies which you mention. (and of those, not all of them are desperate and hopeless..)
did anyone see the SUNDAY report on channel something or rather this morning? (10am sunday i think?) simon page of sublime made a very strong argument about ecstasy in clubs and made it in a way that was easy to understand. cheers to that guy, he knows his shit.
but yeah.. nothing will change in australia. we're an indifferent society now, caring only for those things that have direct effects on the little piece of land that we own. most people couldn't be bothered learning about the positive effects of *drugs* as such and simply chose to label things as good or bad.
having a drink at the pub is good, taking ecstasy is for wierdos. watching the rugby is healthy for a young lad, dancing all night is for poofters. whatever channel 10 says is right, whatever some scum journalist with a nose ring says is wrong.
i've heard it all before and it makes me sick. the ignorance that is fuming out of suburbia is fuelled by conglomerates and powermongers intent on creating a society where no one has to think, they just have to believe what they are told and not question.
everything adds to it:
unhealthy lifetyles - macdonalds, alcohol and meat pies.
unhealthy minds - a slavonic devotion to religion and the comfy mindset of the western puritan ethic.
unhealthy influence - mass media, advertising, people earning money to buy things they don't need.
as individuals we can do nothing but be content with the knowledge we have bothered to gather. colectively we can share this knowledge on bulletin boards like this and through our parties and distrubution of events which promote well-being and *proper* spiritual growth.
i can't see it promoting past this stage though and that is why we have to be complacent with what we have. it's a situation where our good will does not match the greed of those people in power, and so we live and breed knowing that we can share our positive energies with those around us being unhindered by those above.
i think we will always have this power.
ciao.
 
yeah, i agree - you shouldn't stereotype heroin users unless you want to be stereotyped as an ecstasy user yourself.
a lot of heroin (and coke for that matter) users are middle/high class lawyers and barristers and people in influential positions. all sorts of people take heroin, not just the street smackies which you mention. (and of those, not all of them are desperate and hopeless..)
did anyone see the SUNDAY report on channel something or rather this morning? (10am sunday i think?) simon page of sublime made a very strong argument about ecstasy in clubs and made it in a way that was easy to understand. cheers to that guy, he knows his shit.
but yeah.. nothing will change in australia. we're an indifferent society now, caring only for those things that have direct effects on the little piece of land that we own. most people couldn't be bothered learning about the positive effects of *drugs* as such and simply chose to label things as good or bad.
having a drink at the pub is good, taking ecstasy is for wierdos. watching the rugby is healthy for a young lad, dancing all night is for poofters. whatever channel 10 says is right, whatever some scum journalist with a nose ring says is wrong.
i've heard it all before and it makes me sick. the ignorance that is fuming out of suburbia is fuelled by conglomerates and powermongers intent on creating a society where no one has to think, they just have to believe what they are told and not question.
everything adds to it:
unhealthy lifetyles - macdonalds, alcohol and meat pies.
unhealthy minds - a slavonic devotion to religion and the comfy mindset of the western puritan ethic.
unhealthy influence - mass media, advertising, people earning money to buy things they don't need.
as individuals we can do nothing but be content with the knowledge we have bothered to gather. colectively we can share this knowledge on bulletin boards like this and through our parties and distrubution of events which promote well-being and *proper* spiritual growth.
i can't see it promoting past this stage though and that is why we have to be complacent with what we have. it's a situation where our good will does not match the greed of those people in power, and so we live and breed knowing that we can share our positive energies with those around us being unhindered by those above.
i think we will always have this power.
ciao.
 
Id have to say that i agree with top cat in a way, 2 friends of mine have died in a period of 2 years,it truly saddens me to see them help (heroin addicts)get what they want, i also dont think you can compare that of a heroin addict to a coke,speed or xtc user. eg:they dont give out substitutes for them,supplying them with all they need to have the drug. but not all heroin users are no-hopers,street scum and so on. As dangermouse quoted many users have the money to cater for their addiction,but then again alot of them would steal from their own parents for the habit, it all depends on the situation that person is in. And as for the poor little babies that have been left in the car in the damn heat-the parents should be shot, i seriously dont know how the fuck they can even do such a thing, all for the sake of (MAYBE) winning some money! what a joke! if i could only have 10 mins with the bastards id be happy.
And yes dangermouse i did happen to see the xtc report on "sunday" and i think its about time they actually bothered to look into the subject further instead of just saying whatever off the top of their heads. Good to see they consulted a few different sources for the story as well.
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Without getting too paranoid, I think the main problem is that the agenda for all these sort of issues is controlled by the media. It's funny how in Sydney the Telegraph had a front page spread on 'Death Valley', and yet the SMH has run a lot of articles seeming to shed a more positive light on the subject.
At the end of the day the pollies react to whoever is yelling the loudest, and the mainstream journo's seem to be very good at shouting out of their asses!
I agree with dm - hopefully with forums like this growing in size, and more people with media influence not afraid to speak their minds, and the crap hysteria will be silenced once and for all. The first thing I said to a friend after hearing about H-V was 'wait until the papers get a hold of this, I bet a $1000 that Anna Wood's photo will make at least page 2!" So predictable...
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Look, I posted a lengthy post sometime ago relating to this issue and can't agree with all of you any more.
We must accept in this society that the media control what we think(NOT ME!) and do regarding certain issues like drugs etc.
Even politics, the media will decide who will win each election by the way they broadcast these puppet wankers. They are just fronts for what someone else on the otherside of the world wants and thinks is right in "their" way that society should live.
As i've posted previously about the cigarette/alcohol thing versus other so-called soft drugs like XTC and pot, one must realise that us as Bluelighters must take one giant obvious thing into perspective.
We are taking banned substances full stop.
The fact that cigarette and brewery companies have so much money they will squash any new fad on the block. Be it a drug or a drink.
These people scrath the governments backs and the government scratches theirs, its as simple as that.
It doesn't matter how many lives alcohol and tobacco kill each year, but things like MDMA have killed i think ZERO people directly and yet no matter what we or anyone does, this drug will have its place for a long time as a prohibited substance.
Look, it makes me angry as all hell about this, and the Happy Valley death is a little fire splashed again with media fuel. Just like the Anna Wood thing.
If Anna Woods parents are reading this i want you to take note you fucking dickheads,
"THE ONLY REASON YOU PEOPLE GOT ALL THAT PUBLICITY ON TV WAS BECAUSE YOU HAD ALL THE MONEY IN THE WORLD YOU FUCKING SNOBS, AND YOUR LITTLE INOCCENT GIRL ANNA DIED FROM THE HORRIBLE EVIL DRUG XTC WHICH SHE TRIED ONLY ONCE. WELL FOR ALL YOU PEOPLE OUT THIER, ANNA WOOD WAS A PARTY HARD LITTLE GIRL WHO MUNCHED PILLS LIKE A PRO.
MR AND MRS WOOD SHOUDL BE ASHAMED OF THEMSELVES FOR BULLSHITING TO THE GENERAL PUBLIC OF AUSTRALIA ABOUT WHAT THIS DRUG REALLY IS AND WHAT A PERSON ANNA WAS.
NUMEROUS PEOPLE I HAVE PARTIED WITH OVER THE YEARS HAVE TOLD ME THE REAL FACTS ABOUT THE ANNA STORY. THESE PEOPLE KNEW HER INDIRRECTLY AND HAVE SWORN TO ME THAT SHE TOOK PLENTY OF PILLS, AND ONE TAB AINT GOING TO KILL ANYONE.
EVRYONE KNOWS SHE DIED FROM DRINKING TOO MUCH WATER, WHICH CAUSED HOR BRAIN TO SWELL OR SOME SHIT. IN FACT OTHER OVERSEAS XTC DEATHS(THE FEW THAT ARE) ARE RELATED TO THIS.
SO MR AND MRS WOOD, I SAY ONLY ONE THING, FUCK YOU AND YOUR WHOLE FAMILY FOR FUCKING THIS UP FOR THE MAJORITY OF US WHO TAKE PILLS IN MODERATION AND WITH EDUCATION. WE ARE THE SMART ONES, NOT LIKE YOUR DAUGHTER(GOD BLESS HER). SHE CHOSE TO TAKE THE DRUG NOT FORCED. YOU THINK WE ARE FORCED TO HAVE A GOOD TIME ON XTC, NO, ITS BECAUSE WE CHOOSE TO.
ALL I HAVE TO SAY IS THAT IF YOU LOOK AROUND TODAY IN CLUBS, PUBS AND BARS, THAT XTC ESPECIALLY IN SYDNEY HAS BECOME VERY WIDESPREAD AND USE HAS INCREASED DRAMATICALLY. HOW MANY PEOPLE DIE IN CAR ACCIDENTS COMING HOME AFTER TAKING XTC COMPARED TO DRINKING FIVE OR SIX SCHOONERS AT THE PUB? THIS Q. GOES OUT TO YOU TOO MR HOWARD YOU BALD HEADED FUCKING PUPPET. I'D LOVE TO "SMASH" JOHNNY IN THE HEAD BUT THATS ANOTHER STORY.
SO WE CAN GENERALLY SAY THAT THE WHOLE ANNA WOOD DEBACLE SCARED THE XTC BIRTH OR ACTUAL MAINSTREAM ACCEPTANCE IN THIS COUNTRY, AND IF IT NEVER GETS TO LESS RESTRICTED STATUS AS IS CURRENTLY, WE HAVE FUCKWITS LIKE THE WOODS TO THANK!!!"
Why isn't MDMA controlled, that way evryone who wants it can be happy that they get clean pure stuff and not cheap unsafe business-mans shit?
If it was controlled, and the real facts are exposed about the drug, then all the myths and bullshit would be blown away.
I cant fucking accept the fact that deaths from xtc worlwide numbers maybe in the teens and its banned everywhere, and the tobacco and alcohol deaths if put together would be astronomical to say the least.
We must make ourselves heard people, admit to your work collegues and family and friends that you take xtc, i have and am proud to tell people whom i wouldnt normally dream of telling. Let these people who aren;t to familiar with the drug what its like and that you enjoy it over other drugs for the qualitive reasons that we all know and love. Then give them the down side to other drugs like alocohol.
A doctor i spoke to said that "they" take tha stuff when there is big doctor parties and all sorts of powder is flying around. He was not lying either, so if its good enough for them then its good enough for me!
outta here.
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I have no respect for heroin users and I will be pretty clear about it.
I do not hate them I just cant repect them for what happened to a friend of mine.
While living in a share apartment my friend had a junkie (they did not know at the time) move in with them.
Through the time he lived with them he had stolen their TV, stereo and other assorted goods. They had to put a pad lock on their door to try and stop him. He got around this by kicking the door in.
They knew they had to move out soon but they had to find another cheap place cause they did not have much money.
The junkie would even leave syringes lying around the house. My friends bought a small stove and fridge and put that in their room so they never had to leave their room unless it was to go to the toilet.
As they lived in a terrace house the fireplace upstairs was linked to the one down in their room on the lower lever. The junkie would put his used syringes in the fireplace and let them fall into the room below. Before entering their room everyday they had to check for them under the bed and so forth.
1 week before they were moving out the junkie tossed his ciggy on the floor in his room. In this mistake he burnt the entire top floor of the terrace down. The fire brigade came and put the fire out but ruined everything in the house due to water damage. They were nice enough to save some things that my friends owned and we are so thankfull.
After the fire I went to help my friends move house and collect what litle they had left. I also went incase the junkie was there due to threats he made to my friends about telling the police etc etc.
No shit there was about 5 syringes under the bed of my friends and approx 50 scattreed through the rest of the house. We went up to the junkies old blackened room. There was a garbage bag that looked more like a porcupine than anything else. There was so many fuckin un-capped needles in it.
A junkie almost ruined my friends and/or even killed them. Dont defend them. Get them help but dont support their addiction.
While on heroin they are no longer human in so many ways.
Call me or class me as a periodical E user even hardcore if it suits your cause but dont support herion users cause they really dont give a fuck about you.
Remember the motto u all user heaps of the time. PLUR does not work with the junkie ideals.
I hope I did not bore any of you out there.
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Cyas
TRANSMISSION KICKED ARSE WOOOOOOOOO
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In todays paper (West Australian) there is an article about the government providing funds for research and development by the tobacco multinationals, such as Philip Morris. Helf a million dollars is the figure mentioned. Half a million dollars to research the development of a higher tar cigarette for developing countries!! Unbelievable!
What is being spent on ecstasy related research? FUCK ALL!! John Howard needs to stop brown nosing the United States, religious groups and large multinationals...and take a logical informed stance on drug issues. Take a look at America Mr Howard, do you really want Australia to be like that!! Get some balls and start taking some positive steps by providing money for research. Start spreading the facts rather than using scare tactics based on myths.
As for Anna Wood's parents, most of us feel sorry for their loss. It is useless however to fuel a campaign of public misinformation because the truth always comes out in the end! Whatever sympathy people had for Anna's family is rapidly evaporating because of there ridiculous media scare campaign. That isn't going to bring her back and isn't going to stop people taking e. Lets hope the next time Anna's parents are polishing off a few beers they realise the hypocrasy of their ways!
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'I'D LOVE TO "SMASH" JOHNNY IN THE HEAD BUT THATS ANOTHER STORY'
Sleeper, that comment made me fucking laugh hard for five minutes..hehe havent we all thought that at some time..
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While the government wastes more money on helping junkies they are still out bashing and robbing people and injecting rooms wont make any difference cos they still have to get their shit.
 
A couple of facts l would like to add to the above issues:
The methadone program which is supposed to help addicts get off the H is funded by the taxpayer today and the taxpayer of the future (Students). One prescribed dose of Meth COSTS the Pharmacy approx $6.50. They then charge the GOVT $75.00 as most people on the METH program have health cards, the chemist is rolling in the cash on addicts backs. Pharmacies actually know that this fuckin treatment doesn't work but they enjoy the $$$ thats why the AMA etc.. are against safe injecting places.
They keep adding to their lists of subjects on the METH program. Some chemists have 100+ people a week coming in for the treatment. Doctors get kickbacks for referrals.
I won't get into the other rorts going on in the health system.
These my friends are the legal criminals and the bastards who support them, the lobby groups, AMA (Aust Med Assoc.)etc.. they have strengths and power within the GOVT circles to influence policy and decisions.
Why is the GOVT influenced by these groups because the AMA controls doctors, chemists etc...these pricks influence the majority of the public who see them as gods and take their advice home in the form of a prescription and legally get fucked on valium etc.. I pop a fuckin pill and rock ! I pay for it and no taxpayer is disadvantaged by my actions.
At least let the pricks admit that the programs in place don't work and try something different with our money, whether it's injecting rooms or whatever !
The good part is as l was getting carried away above is :
POWER TO THE PEOPLE !!!!!!!!!!!!
The internet is the most powerful tool that the people have ever had ! Information is power and let the info flow on......
The World Trade Organisation (WTO) which had it's last conference in Seattle USA late last year was nearly called off due to riots and a state of emergency was called in Seattle. Why ? Because the people had the most effective & organised protests ever arranged the protestors gathered from all around the world to voice their frustrations. These were not your rent a crowd protestors they were mostly average, educated and normal people who are sick of the WTO telling us what to eat, what to grow, when to grow it and who to sell/buy from.
This protest was planned, co-ordinated and publicised ONLINE using the internet as the vehicle to spread the information, to gather the people and disrupt one of the most organised and secure meetings ever, Bad Billy Boy Clinton (who snorts & pops with the interns) had to plea for peace.
THE MESSAGE IS OPPOSE ALL EFFORTS AGAINST REGULATION AND CONTROL OF THE ONLINE REVOLUTION AND FIERCLY ALLOW FREEDOM OF SPEECH/HTML TO RULE THE INTERNET.
You have all demonstrated this in the above posts ! Keep it up......
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