North Texas Drivers Stopped at Roadblock Asked for Saliva and Blood

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These people were forced to pull over and then intimidated to give a saliva and blood sample to the police officers. Don't get it twisted, THESE PEOPLE WERE FORCED to be checked for drugs for no reason. This is nothing more then a way for the police department to earn money and fuck over peoples lives for NO REASON.

Here is a video talking about it:

http://www.nbcdfw.com/news/local/No...adblock-Asked-for-Saliva-Blood-232438621.html
 
It's national scientific research. How else are these data supposed to be collected?

I recommend that cops doing this dress up like pandas or something equally non-threatening. A cop in a silly costume is much less menacing.
 
How else can this data be gathered? Or do you propose that fucked-up driving not be researched at all?

The automobile is one of the most dangerous technologies ever invented. We should be looking at ways to transition away from automobile culture and into 100% public transportation. Suburbs should perish in flames and we should all live either in sylvan tents or in cities like NYC where cars are unnecessary.
 
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Not cool. If any other scientist in the US tried to collect data in this manner they would face hefty consequences. I am getting really tired of the US government being above the law. Really have to work to bring these fuckers down a notch!
 
I swear they should rename the country to Nazi States of America
 
We've had articles about this before, and I think nobody is reading the actual articles:

http://www.bluelight.ru/vb/threads/...ops-Nationwide-drug-roadblocks-raise-eyebrows

The roadblocks went up on a Friday at several points in two Alabama towns, about 40 miles on either side of Birmingham.

For the next two days, off-duty sheriff's deputies in St. Clair County, to the east, and Bibb County, to the southwest, flagged down motorists and steered them toward federal highway safety researchers. The researchers asked them a few questions about drinking and drug use and asked them for breath, saliva and blood samples -- offering them $10 for saliva and $50 to give blood.

It's not just in Alabama. The roadblocks are part of a national study led by the National Highway Traffic Safety Administration, which is trying to determine how many drivers are on the road with drugs or alcohol in their systems. Similar roadblocks will be erected in dozens of communities across the nation this year, according to the agency.

It's been going on for decades. Previous surveys date to the 1970s. The last one was run in 2007, and it included the collection of blood and saliva samples without apparent controversy, sheriff's spokesmen in both Alabama counties said.
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It's 100% voluntary and anonymous. If you're piss-drunk, there's no arrest and they sometimes even drive you home.

Everyone cries about little motherfuckers getting mowed down by drunk drivers, but what are people actually willing to do about it? This data must and shall be gathered.
 
They offer you 10 dollars for cheek swab, 50 for a blood test and breathalyzer for free.

It's just some survey.

However, dumb nonetheless. Many people don't have time to be pulled over for not doing anything.
There's a better way to do this.
 
Here's another article. At least, this is some sort of harassment. Also, how accurate do they think the test results could possibly be when people who are impaired are obviously going to decline the "voluntary" test. Just pushing the boundaries, seeing how many idiots will go along with this, prepping us for the big day when personal freedom will be a thing of the past.

Here's the link to the organization that's conducting the study. http://www.pire.org/index.asp
Would be interesting to see where their funding comes from.


North Texas Drivers Stopped at Roadblock Asked for Saliva, Blood


Some drivers along a busy Fort Worth street on Friday were stopped at a police roadblock and directed into a parking lot, where they were asked by federal contractors for samples of their breath, saliva and even blood.

It was part of a government research study aimed at determining the number of drunken or drug-impaired drivers.

"It just doesn't seem right that you can be forced off the road when you're not doing anything wrong," said Kim Cope, who said she was on her lunch break when she was forced to pull over at the roadblock on Beach Street in North Fort Worth.

The National Highway Traffic Safety Administration, which is spending $7.9 million on the survey over three years, said participation was "100 percent voluntary" and anonymous.

But Cope said it didn't feel voluntary to her -- despite signs saying it was.

"I gestured to the guy in front that I just wanted to go straight, but he wouldn't let me and forced me into a parking spot," she said.

Once parked, she couldn't believe what she was asked next.

"They were asking for cheek swabs," she said. "They would give $10 for that. Also, if you let them take your blood, they would pay you $50 for that."

At the very least, she said, they wanted to test her breath for alcohol.

She said she felt trapped.

"I finally did the Breathalyzer test just because I thought that would be the easiest way to leave," she said, adding she received no money.

Fort Worth police earlier said they could not immediately find any record of officer involvement but police spokesman Sgt. Kelly Peel said Tuesday that the department's Traffic Division coordinated with the NHTSA on the use of off-duty officers after the agency asked for help with the survey.

"We are reviewing the actions of all police personnel involved to ensure that FWPD policies and procedures were followed," he said. "We apologize if any of our drivers and citizens were offended or inconvenienced by the NHTSA National Roadside Survey."

NBC DFW confirmed that the survey was done by a government contractor, the Pacific Institute for Research and Evaluation, which is based in Calverton, Md.

A company spokeswoman referred questions to the National Highway Traffic Safety Administration.

An agency spokeswoman sent an email confirming the government is conducting the surveys in 30 cities across the country in an effort to reduce impaired-driving accidents.

She did not respond to another email from NBC DFW asking specific questions about the program..

But a Fort Worth attorney who is an expert in civil liberties law questioned whether such stops are constitutional.

"You can't just be pulled over randomly or for no reason," said attorney Frank Colosi.

He also noted the fine print on a form given to drivers informs them their breath was tested by "passive alcohol sensor readings before the consent process has been completed."

"They're essentially lying to you when they say it's completely voluntary, because they're testing you at that moment," Colosi said.

He also questioned the results of the "voluntary" survey -- speculating that drivers who had been drinking or using drugs would be more inclined to simply decline to participate.

Cope said she is troubled by what happened.

"It just doesn't seem right that they should be able to do any of it," she said. "If it's voluntary, it's voluntary, and none of it felt voluntary."

Asked Tuesday if she accepted the police department's apology, Cope said she would wait to see what the review showed.

"They need to make sure this doesn't happen again," she said.
 
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At first, I thought that the cops were just a little kinky, and saliva and blood were just to get their imaginations going ;)

But seriously- they way they collected this data is suspect.
Should people be stopped for that purpose? Wouldn't an ad in the paper suffice?
Then again, I also have to chime in about this idea: Fuck drunk drivers. Keep them off the roads, I say.
Here in Japan, they have a simple way of doing this: zero tolerance. If your BA% is anything other than 0.0%, you lose.
I like this policy. Drink as much as you want to, and then take the train home. You and I both get to live to see tomorrow.
 
Every time I see this thread I keep reading "salvia and blood" instead of "saliva and blood".
 
slimvictor - Japan's dense population also helps with that as public transportation is more readily available. Even in places like Denver in the US, it isn't always possible to get public transportation that takes you anywhere close to where you need to go.

I'm not saying that excuses driving under the influence by any means but when the bars and clubs stay open until 1:30AM with last call around 1 or so and most buses shutting down around midnight or earlier, you get left with an expensive cab as your only option. In these cases, people take the risk of taking their vehicles.

That said, I think the penalties should be much harsher. Ticket above 0.0% and loss of your license for a year for a DUI, second DUI loss of your license for 5 years, third time, or driving without a license after having it revoked for a DUI or causing serious bodily injury to someone while driving a motor vehicle while drunk - loss of driving privileges for the rest of your life.

We have a really big problem with drunk drivers in Colorado. Couple that with a very high amount of uninsured, underinsured, and illegal immigrant drivers and you have a nice recipe for a very big problem.
 
^ You are right that having public transportation in place helps greatly, no doubt.
But the large population of Los Angeles never helped with public transport! So it is not as simple as dense population, but willingness to create and maintain public transport, that is key ;)
I can imagine that it is much more difficult in CO.

But I can't agree when you say "you get left with an expensive cab as your only option".
That is your only option because you already opted to stay at the bar until after the last bus left.
Here, the last train leaves around midnight, and bars tend to half-empty out at around 11:45.
People have to be responsible, and if you chose to stay at a bar until after the last bus leaves, you need to face the consequences, imo.

(Not meaning to be argumentative, but this seems like the same type of logic that applies when someone has an affair and says "It was a bad choice." It actually was dozens of choices - to be open to extramarital partners, to pursue that particular partner, to go to the same room, to lock the door, etc. The person who says "it was a bad choice, and a mistake" is not taking responsibility for choosing to have an affair, very willfully and purposefully. Saying someone has no other choice because the last bus left, when they already chose to put themselves in that position, seems like trying to evade responsibility to me. FWIW.)
 
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slimvictor - Japan's dense population also helps with that as public transportation is more readily available. Even in places like Denver in the US, it isn't always possible to get public transportation that takes you anywhere close to where you need to go.

I'm not saying that excuses driving under the influence by any means but when the bars and clubs stay open until 1:30AM with last call around 1 or so and most buses shutting down around midnight or earlier, you get left with an expensive cab as your only option. In these cases, people take the risk of taking their vehicles.

That said, I think the penalties should be much harsher. Ticket above 0.0% and loss of your license for a year for a DUI, second DUI loss of your license for 5 years, third time, or driving without a license after having it revoked for a DUI or causing serious bodily injury to someone while driving a motor vehicle while drunk - loss of driving privileges for the rest of your life.

We have a really big problem with drunk drivers in Colorado. Couple that with a very high amount of uninsured, underinsured, and illegal immigrant drivers and you have a nice recipe for a very big problem.
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driving on a revoked in CO is an automatic year in the can.. right from the car to jail.. dont even get a court date I dont think.

drunken pedal bikeing in CO is no joke either.. I think you get hit almost as bad as a dui.. 8)

And yes please bring on the public transportation..
 
^ Here in Japan, drunken bicycle riding is also illegal.
This makes less sense to me, because it is pretty difficult to maim or kill someone else on a bicycle - though not impossible, of course.
Also, I ride my bike everywhere, and still manage to drink a bit...
Double standard?
Immoral?
I am not sure, though I forgive myself for it (because I ride very safely when I am drunk, and not in populated areas, and the only one who I am likely to hurt is myself).
 
slimvictor - maybe I should have been more clear about the situation here.

Most of the bars don't exist on a bus route. That's gotten better in lower Denver and around the 16th Street Mall but all of the suburbs are pretty much fucked for public transport of any kind after 9PM, sometimes 10PM on Saturdays. Considering that the average time for the bars to get going is 9:30-10, they hit the mark by a lot.

We do have programs on certain days, like New Years, where some of the local attorney's offices will pick up the cab tab for you that's cool.

As for the no bicycles while drinking - how do you figure its difficult to maim or kill someone? You fall off your bike and cause a driver to swerve to avoid hitting you, they hit another car, which kills a baby in the back seat and then the driver is killed when the cars behind slam into it too, not being able to break fast enough.

It sounds like an extreme example but it does happen. More than you would think.

neversickanymore - I wasn't aware about the year in jail for driving on a revoked license, that's a start in the right direction, but I know people that have had 5 DUIs and still have a license and I think that's unacceptable.
 
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