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non (or less) neurotoxic stimulant research chemicals

is there any study said says mdpv is not neurotoxic ? is there a non neurotoxic mdpv analog with less paranoia ?
 
oh i have read the opposite in multiple post, but good to know. so i don´t think there is any non neurotoxic stimulant rc ? or is there any ?
 
According to wiki, "4-Fluoroamphetamine is a potent stimulant and serotonin releaser as with other para-substituted amphetamine derivatives, but is both significantly less potent as a serotonin releaser and much less neurotoxic than related compounds such as parachloroamphetamine."

<I TweekyD-Rock> have always had good luck with it, side effect profile was lighter than comparable amounts of racemic amphet salts, but with an entactogenic tang to it.
 
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Haha, just so used to it, lol. But yeah, i didn't even get the kinda "bummed out" next day that I always had with most of the cath. derivatives, with the notable exception of butylone and mephedrone. Long story short 150mg 4-FA oral, 50mg intranasal booster after 35 minutes and I had mild closed-eye visuals- geometrics, bubbly shapes, and the like. About an hour and a half in I smoked a j, at which point the experience actually became quite psychedelic. Open-eye geometrics and "glowy" colors, similar to how I've heard mescaline-type trails described.

Eventually fell asleep listening to Dick's Picks Vol 12 (gotta love the Dead), and the next morning I woke up feeling amazing. Very rested, energetic, and cheerful which is strange because usually I look like absolute hell until I get a cup of coffee in me. I'm no neuroscientist, but it definitely didn't appear to be very neurotoxic.
 
but is 4-fa reaally less toxic than simple amphetamine ? i can´t believe that
 
I'm fairly experienced when it comes to stims (new and old), and I found it to be alot easier on both mind and body than d-amphet, waaaay better than MDPV (I can't stand it personally, makes me feel gross) and better than fleph. it's no meph, not by a long shot, but it's a good, usable substance. plus it's relatively cheap :D
 
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yes i had a lot of 4-fa, too. but comedown, mood and bodyload doesn´t say much about it´s neurotoxic effects !?
 
Then what barometer, metaphorically speaking, would you suggest be used in place of anecdotal reports? I know how my brain operates but my brain chemistry is a little off anyway, so what may indicate one thing may be completely different for you.
 
Well, at least for me, I've noticed a trend with the more neurotoxic substances and residual mood/thought patterns. For example, MDPV- which is crystalline hell in my opinion- completely screws up my memory (regardless of how much sleep I'm able to get) and during my last (and final) experience with it it triggered a flashback and I had three back to back anxiety attacks.
Looking back, you're right it doesn't really show neurotoxicity, but I've observed substances that are supposed to be more neurotoxic- pardon my language- usually cause some serious skullfuckery.
 
how about o-desmethyltramadol ? i heared tramadol is good for clubbing, this one, too ? also is there any paper that compares amphetamine and 4-fluoroamphetamines neurotoxicity ?
what makes mdpv neurotoxic ?
 
I don't know about that. MDPV psychosis is not something to be laughed at. A little memory loss can be bad, but it's inevitable with drug use.
 
I was under the impression MDPV was not particularly toxic, Pyrovalerone was used for narcolepsy, chronic fatigue and weight loss back in the day. But MDPV can definitely cause psychotic reactions when combined with sleep dep. i've always been fine with MDPV due to one single rule, dose in the morning and don't redose after lunchtime so that i can sleep at night. I love the stuff..
 
i always got paranoid if i stayed awake with mdpv too long, but i can handle it and after sleeping those thoughts are away. it would be very nice if someone could clear up if mdpv is toxic or not.
i also thought about desoxypipradol, but thats a hell of a drug. i always stay awake for too long with this shit
 
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