Nobody in the world is good

[ControlDenied]

hehe. im glad i stumbled onto this thread in a neutral mood! otherwise venom would pour out probably.

i dont see why people try to stick to a dogma. since we don't know anything, better to try to be healthy/feel good in whatever way you can. while predicting/knowing the outcome of course.

since we're all one organism, one species. "helping others" is actually helping yourself. what would happen if your "heart" hated your brain? or your arm hated your leg? helping people isn't magic. its common practice and helps people survive. the "fall" is all of our responsibility. no single person can be blamed.

also, although i almot fell into that trap as well, vegan, you SHOULD accept your own culture. its sad, but all cultures are fucked. im sure many thai hate thailand. so they idealise germany or japan or something.

something has to change, and fast, in our world, that's for sure. my prediction? visit from outer space. thatll shape everyone up prety fast - an alien invasion!

 

[vegan]

[the thread within the thread]

Fine and dandy, but you seemed to be using the language thing to totally invalidate my criticism, which, like I said before, is an ad-hom.

it's not like you're criticism is partial either

you plainly say that thais are the worst people on earth
and i haven't seen where you gave the details why either
i am not much on bluelight anymore so i may not have seen it
but i saw the several times when you just said "thais are the worst" without giving explanations
i don't call that criticism

See, G, you may be able to squeeze out a few more drops of interest out of a Thai by impressing them with your ability to speak the language, but you'd be fooling yourself if you ever think you can become accepted by the Thais as one of them. You are and will always be a farang. Just one that's a bit more shocking.

you know that i know that very well
i think i even told you i had to "prove myself" from the begining again any time i meet someone who doesn't no me (=always)

and by getting to know the thai mentality, i don't take this badly, as i can see how much their education towards race, nation, and so on, is different from ours

a very trivial example
in a restaurant you hear the waitress saying "this is for the farangs"
in a western country, saying "this is for the groups of arabs/blacks/purples/.." would be considered impolite or racist
so hearing this in thailand, you'll think that they are being racist
whereas to them it's just like saying "this is for the man with the blue shirt"

on a side note, i i learn to speak and write arabic perfectly, do you think that there's one arab on earth who will consider me arab?

The bolded part is what I was saying you're in love with. I realize that you don't like bkk much as a city.

everyone has preferences
what is the problem with that?
i prefer their mentalities to the other ones i know

that doesn't mean i'm in love with it and blinded by this love
that doesn't make me ignore their flaws
i'm very well aware of the numerous flaws their mentality has and don't try to play them down

It seems to me that a lot of things that you apparently like about Thailand, you like simply because they are not western, more so than anything else.

Seeing that I am Neither western nor Thai, I fail to understand this.

i'm not thai either
neither thai, nor western, nor anything else. barely human

the place where you were born doesn't dictate your mentality
should you or i refuse to try to understand thais rather than hate them because we're not thai?

i don't see your point

You love Thailand and I hate Thailand. Isn't this where we started?

you greatly misunderstand me

before even coming here i heard from a friend about thais' superstition. and i thought to myself "damn! there's really no place on earth for me." (=a place where the culture would fit my ideas)

i don't blindly love thailand
that's your imagination

i'm more at ease and like it more here than elsewhere (so far). period
and trying to understand the thai mentality, rather than judging it from a westerner's point of view, makes it easy to cope with all the aspects that westerners keep complaining about

however, i see your hatred as not founded on a good understanding of the mentality but as a knee-jerk reaction
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[Jamshyd]

[the thread within the thread]
it's not like you're criticism is partial either

My criticism IS partial. I do not for one second pretend to be unbiased when talking about Thailand. That said, at least I build my criticism on a sociological basis.

you plainly say that thais are the worst people on earth
and i haven't seen where you gave the details why either
i am not much on bluelight anymore so i may not have seen it
but i saw the several times when you just said "thais are the worst" without giving explanations
i don't call that criticism

That's right, because I've explained it several times elsewhere (besides, we HAVE talked about it in person).

Try my blog here on BL.

you know that i know that very well
i think i even told you i had to "prove myself" from the begining again any time i meet someone who doesn't no me (=always)

If you have no problem with that, that's good, I'm happy for you. But most people detest it, and for a good reason.

and by getting to know the thai mentality, i don't take this badly, as i can see how much their education towards race, nation, and so on, is different from ours

Good for you. But some of us, especially those who taught in other countries, consider Thailand's educational system to be a complete farce.

a very trivial example
in a restaurant you hear the waitress saying "this is for the farangs"
in a western country, saying "this is for the groups of arabs/blacks/purples/.." would be considered impolite or racist
so hearing this in thailand, you'll think that they are being racist
whereas to them it's just like saying "this is for the man with the blue shirt"

Racism is racism is racism. I don't get this.

on a side note, i i learn to speak and write arabic perfectly, do you think that there's one arab on earth who will consider me arab?

No... so what's your point?

everyone has preferences
what is the problem with that?
i prefer their mentalities to the other ones i know

There is absolutely no problem with that as I indicated even in my posts in this thread. You seem to think there is one, though.

that doesn't mean i'm in love with it and blinded by this love
that doesn't make me ignore their flaws
i'm very well aware of the numerous flaws their mentality has and don't try to play them down

I'm not sure about this...

i'm not thai either
neither thai, nor western, nor anything else. barely human

the place where you were born doesn't dictate your mentality
should you or i refuse to try to understand thais rather than hate them because we're not thai?

i don't see your point

No, you don't see it

you greatly misunderstand me

before even coming here i heard from a friend about thais' superstition. and i thought to myself "damn! there's really no place on earth for me." (=a place where the culture would fit my ideas)

i don't blindly love thailand
that's your imagination

i'm more at ease and like it more here than elsewhere (so far). period
and trying to understand the thai mentality, rather than judging it from a westerner's point of view, makes it easy to cope with all the aspects that westerners keep complaining about.

Wait, "westerner's point of view"? But didn't you just finish telling me that the place you were born doesn't dictate your mentality?

however, i see your hatred as not founded on a good understanding of the mentality but as a knee-jerk reaction
[/the thread within the thread]

It is based in being mistreated, repeatedly. Simply that.

But it is also based on my making observations of the pathology of Thai society as someone who is trained as a social scientist.

 

[vegan]

Thailand's educational system to be a complete farce

it is a farce in many aspects

while other aspects could serve a good lesson to other countries

but you stop to the numerous bad points without having had the opportunity to discover the good ones
and it's hard to see them without an effort (including trying to understand what they say)

i'll give the main point i'm thinking about :

school teaches thai children to be happy

i don't know about yours, but i haven't heard the word 'happiness' once during my schooling
i hear it most times that a thai teacher is individualy talking to a student and often during the morning speeches

but of course, if you're only looking at western parameters, you cannot see the thai ones

Racism is racism is racism. I don't get this.

my only post in your racism thread said
"- there are several veeeeery different kinds of racism
the way is which thais are racist is extremelly different from the racism that most posters here probably have in mind"

i stand by this opinion
and one (just one) thing to comfort me in it is having tried to understand thai racism more than most people do

but yes, people don't believe in ghosts until they see one
(and i've told many thais that farangs are not scared of ghosts because since we don't believe in them, they don't bother us )

so similarly, you won't believe that there are different types of racism if you don't wish to and are not brought to observe it by a better understanding of certain racist cultures

No... so what's your point?

to show that i don't see the point you tried to make by pointing out that no not-thai person can ever be seen as a thai by thais

There is absolutely no problem with that as I indicated even in my posts in this thread. You seem to think there is one, though.

yes
the fact that you invent that i'm blinded by my preferences

I'm not sure about this...

if you think i'm not telling the truth (even uncounsciously)
- you don't know me
- there cannot be an interesting exchange when one thinks that the other is not being honest

Wait, "westerner's point of view"? But didn't you just finish telling me that the place you were born doesn't dictate your mentality

if you choose not to

come on
now you're just arguing for the sake of it

if you actually thought i was contradicting myself, then you've passed the point of trying to have an exchange of ideas and are just trying to contradict whatever i say

It is based in being mistreated, repeatedly. Simply that.

we talked about that face to face
sometimes when you get slapped on the right cheek, you have to be perseverant and show the left one many times until the other one realises you don't deserve what he's doing to you

it is also based on my making observations of the pathology of Thai society as someone who is trained as a social scientist.

observing is fine
but for societies rather different from yours, you also need some in depth understanding. and that's obtained through immersion more than through university lessons
(i'm not pretending to understand thai society. but i'm trying)

 

[Jamshyd]

yes
the fact that you invent that i'm blinded by my preferences

One-for-one. You imagine that I am just-another-closed-minded farang as well. Or at least, that's what your language suggests.

come on
now you're just arguing for the sake of it

Um, no. I actually want to stop this inane argument. Especially that I've had much of it with you before face-to-face. Do note how much more you write than I do.

if you actually thought i was contradicting myself, then you've passed the point of trying to have an exchange of ideas and are just trying to contradict whatever i say

More like defending myself against attack.

we talked about that face to face
sometimes when you get slapped on the right cheek, you have to be perseverant and show the left one many times until the other one realises you don't deserve what he's doing to you

Here is the meat (sorry ) of my point: Not to dicksize, but I've been to more than 20 different countries, and have lived in 4 of them. I hold triple citizenship. It's not like I just went to this one foreign country, chose to close my mind, said fuck it, and ran off. All these countries had positives and negatives. All worked ok in the end finding a balance between the two. Thailand, on the other hand, I found had only negatives. This was my experience, and so I find Thailand simply not worth the effort because there is a whole world of wonder out there with much more to offer.

You seem to be trying to make my point of view seem inferior to yours. I find this such a shame since I thought we had a good understanding. I still do love you nonetheless.

observing is fine
but for societies rather different from yours

"Mine"? And which one of them would that be? .

 

[ControlDenied]

i find it most acceptable to hate my own country, so thats what i do. fuck canada, the UK and the rest of the anglo-kings of retard fuckfaceland

 

[vegan]

You imagine that I am just-another-closed-minded farang as well

you share their speech
you may feel that it's the conclusion of your thinking while it's only their knee-jerk reaction, but i hear pretty similar things

i don't see you as another close minded farang. i heard you speak.
but i do think that you put too much faith in your judgment, while it is in my opinion still incomplete

I actually want to stop this inane argument

i don't especially want it to go on, but when i don't agree with something, i tend to give my opinion

More like defending myself against attack.

look at where this started from.
there was a good opportunity not to answer anything and bring the exchange closer to its end
still, you answered something you knew was not applicable. that's what i call "for the sake of arguing"

Thailand, on the other hand, I found had only negatives

sure, their view on homosexuality, for instance, is by far worse that in the rest of the world, right?

if you found only negatives, you've not been looking the right way
i've said it enough times. it's not fun

you may go to 99 countries, and the 100th one may be the one that will require the most self-questioning to understand
not because there's nothing good about it, but because you'd need to look at it a different way than the one that has worked to far with the others

You seem to be trying to make my point of view seem inferior to yours

i don't care or even believe in objective inferiority
but i find your point of view biased and i cannot hide it

when you wake up in a bad mood, it's not that everything started to suck on that day, it's that your mood makes you find that everything sucks

it may be partly what happened to you in thailand
but it happened during the whole time.
so you didn't realise that you were the one in a bad mood (and consequently didn't try to scratch deep beneath the surface of thai society), rather than that the society absolutely sucked

"Mine"? And which one of them would that be?

jamshyd's society
you know which one it is, i don't
no need to label it or relate it to a country or culture
all i can tell is that it's different from thai society

 

[karruters]

Yes! You're all dumb and vile!

But it isn't for the perversion or the violence so much as it's for the secrets and the lies. We're all floating around in a demented dreamworld full of treachery.

I can't trust anybody... You're all spreading your secrets. You're all one of... Them.

 

[ControlDenied]

You're all one of... Them.

I'm not, and I'll prove it. disprove it.

i have no idea.

i waste a lot of money and blood and other fluids.

daily, minutely, secondly, firstly