No more colors on DMT

[phluphy_phlu]

I made some DMT last Saturday and had my first breakthrough the next day (Sunday).

I saw amazing fractal patterns and colors and whatnot and of course had an out of body experience.

I have done it at least once everyday the past week with the exception of Wednesday.

I notice that before I even do it my heartbeat is already extremely fast and it takes me a few hours to prepare mentally otherwise it will be an uncomfortable/bad trip.

The last few (2-3) times I have done it I haven't seen any colors. I only have an out of body experience where I forget all words and anything else that is human/earthly.

I don't necessarily do it for the hallucinations, but rather for the realizations of life afterwards, but I am just wondering why they aren't there.

Is it because I have developed tolerance?

I know that would be the obvious answer, but the reason I am asking is because it seems like the more times I do it the LESS i need in order to "breakthrough." And each time is more intense than the time before.

OR... is it because the "elves" are keeping from me for some reason??

I read somewhere that if you aren't breaking through to wait 6 days after ingesting any psychedelic because your body stores the tryptamines, even though you can wait an hour and trip again...

I guess I will wait a week (with the exception of later today when some close friends come over to experience this holy sacrament and want to watch me before they do it just to make sure it's safe.)

ONE MORE QUESTION.. I am storing it in a miniature glass jelly jar in my refrigerator... will it lose any potency if I wait a week?

Note: the reason I have done it so many times this week is because I am scared it WILL lose potency so I was trying to get as many experiences in before it expires.

Has anyone had this happen?

 

[TheAzo]

Uh, generally, psychedelics have a very strong short-term tolerance effect, particularly tryptamines.

So, yeah, you have to wait longer between trips.

 

[greenmeanies]

the exact mechanism of psychedelic tolerance is still kinda unknown. it doesn't seem to be receptor upregulation (like nicotine tolerance/addiction) or endogenous neurotransmitter downregulation (like opiate tolerance/addiction), but a very complex combination of things.

remember the DMT molecule is only one part of the whole trip-- a gallon of gas won't get you anywhere unless you have a working car with proper air pressure in the tires, and the driver must be well-rested and alert or you risk a collision.

if you're using dmt for the insights, i'd suggest giving it a week between tokes even though it's possible to hit it and 'trip' several times a day. and forget all that crap about elves, they can't prevent you from thinking outside the box you create for yourself.

dmt freebase is highly stable, especially in the fridge.

 

[Psychedelic Gleam]

Tolerance should only last about 1 hour from what I have read. I would say even less.

 

[safety]

the exact mechanism of psychedelic tolerance is still kinda unknown. it doesn't seem to be receptor upregulation (like nicotine tolerance/addiction) or endogenous neurotransmitter downregulation (like opiate tolerance/addiction), but a very complex combination of things.

remember the DMT molecule is only one part of the whole trip-- a gallon of gas won't get you anywhere unless you have a working car with proper air pressure in the tires, and the driver must be well-rested and alert or you risk a collision.

if you're using dmt for the insights, i'd suggest giving it a week between tokes even though it's possible to hit it and 'trip' several times a day. and forget all that crap about elves, they can't prevent you from thinking outside the box you create for yourself.

dmt freebase is highly stable, especially in the fridge.

Good advice.

 

[solistus]

Tolerance should only last about 1 hour from what I have read. I would say even less.

In the short term this is correct - if you smoke more DMT 15 minutes after your last trip you'll likely just experience the 'tryptamine giggles' of a low dose experience, but if you wait an hour or so you will likely be ready to break through again. However, with extended frequent use, a more gradual tolerance may form, or perhaps the brain simply becomes more accustomed to the sensation and reacts less spectacularly... At any rate, pretty much any drug will be less subjectively intense over time if used frequently, even if no biological tolerance process is understood or known to be in effect.

Given that dmt is quite stable, there's no need to rush it. Space your experiences out more and you will most likely learn more from each experience. Happy tripping!

 

[B9]

Has anyone had this happen?

yes - I found it helpful to quit expectations - easily said of course if acheived i've found it can lead to a deeper reality.

 

[LunarSylph]

DMT is actually highly consistent about tolerance.

If you're on an MAO-B inhibitor (like L-Deprenyl) or a MAO-A inhibitor (like Moclobemide), it is incapable of tolerance, period.

Try it yourself, you'll see what I mean. I find things easier to remember while on the A-type inhibitors, but the B-type inhibitors seem more likely to gift the more intense (even, to some extent, dissociative) moments.

Just DMT on its own can sometimes be depressing or void of much of anything, visuals included.

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Coming from someone who's still trying to normalize after recently spending 3 weeks in a row getting DMT+Moclobemide in his bloodstream from morning literally all the way until sleeping, you should never expect it to behave in a particular pattern. EVER.

It's incapable of being consistent, or fulfilling expectations.

I had days where it mimicked the feeling of MDMA, where the visuals were weak and hardly showing up one minute and then completely overwhelming and more detailed than reality for the next several hours, where I literally couldn't stop thinking and talking in a day-long lyric of somewhat disjointed abstract poetry... there was never any point where DMT couldn't find something new to mess around with.

Whatever DMT does in your brain, there is no such thing as tolerance. This much I could not be more certain of after spending that long with this psychedelic impressionist as an honored guest. I just gave up and admitted it could be whatever it wanted to be whenever it felt like it.

 

[phluphy_phlu]

Thank you all for such in-depth answers to my question.. I decided that I will only do DMT 1-2 times a month. I realized that regardless of the "wait one hour" thing, you still don't get much out of it UNLESS you give it time.

 

[TheAppleCore]

^ Yes. Your brain will thank you for respecting it.

Much as we'd all love it, you just can't experience a full breakthrough psychedelic experience with any regularity. Part of what makes the experience so special is the novelty of it - the deep contrast it has with ordinary life.

Unless you do it to the extent that it becomes "ordinary life". And then it's just... ordinary life.

I seem to be able to get away with one absolutely rocking trip once, twice if I'm lucky, per season. I toke a little bit of sub-breakthrough deems & mary-jane in the meanwhile, though.

 

[TheAppleCore]

Coming from someone who's still trying to normalize after recently spending 3 weeks in a row getting DMT+Moclobemide in his bloodstream from morning literally all the way until sleeping, you should never expect it to behave in a particular pattern. EVER.

It's incapable of being consistent, or fulfilling expectations.

I had days where it mimicked the feeling of MDMA, where the visuals were weak and hardly showing up one minute and then completely overwhelming and more detailed than reality for the next several hours, where I literally couldn't stop thinking and talking in a day-long lyric of somewhat disjointed abstract poetry... there was never any point where DMT couldn't find something new to mess around with.

Indeed - DMT has given me a wider range of experiences than any other chemical. Sometimes, even mid-trip, I'll switch from being in a state of physical grace and dexterity, and great awareness of my environment, to suddenly losing all connections to reality as we know it, and finding myself lost in a completely alien world.

It surprises me that you were able to sustain a DMT-induced heightened state for as long as you did, though. Surely by the end of your experiment, its impact was noticeably diminished? If I smoke DMT a second day in a row, I get about a tenth the intensity of experience.