NHS to give addicts free drugs

[Manifespo]

drugs ARE a criminal issue. drugs are ANTI-SOCIAL

Your ignorance is dangerous.

I foolishly enter into your delusions,
only to provide a reasonable response.

Is taking a drug to kill pain, ANTI-SOCIAL?
You say drugs are criminal, I see drugs which help billions of people.
You say drugs are anti-social, yet people drink caffeine alcohol and tobacco socially.
You say drugs are criminal, but the legal ones cause the most CRIMES and anti-social behavior.

You are either a misled youth,
or a brainwashed authoritarian...
In either case you have my sympathy.

Don't forget, you are addicted to the drugs of
AIR WATER ENERGY FOOD and LOVE
Don't forget, you can buy a deadly weapon
filled with flammable date rape drugs,
commonly known as a fifth of tequilla.

Did you know that 50% of all anti-social crimes are committed on alcohol?
Did you know 400,000 people die of tobacco in the US EACH YEAR?
Did you know +100,000 people die of alcohol in the US EACH YEAR?

if your little sister
gets raped by a crazed meth junkie, we will
quickly see you change your tune.

P.S. Methamphetamine is legally prescribed,
under the name Desoxyn.
And alcohol is the cause of +60% of rapes,
so get it straight.

Read books, instead of stealing
your thoughts straight from
Rupert Murdoch's brain.

It's a beautiful world, my friend.
If all you see is malevolent,
maybe you should move!

 

[malevolent society]

drug addicts are dangerous. im not one, so how can i be ignorant ?

im talking about illicit drugs, [edit - no personal insults]. your the kind who makes an excuse for anything and everything, in doing so, will stay in the gutter all your life.

yeah, alcohol and tobacco kill more than the reat put together, and they mostly dont evn get the term "drug" when we talk about re-hab, hence the term "drugs AND alcohol".

methamphetamime can be stopped by the govs that allow products to make the shit unavailable. for both a retail and wholesale aspect. why wont they do this ? well, for the same reason the pharm companies dont want to make a cure for mental illness. if they find one, the money is over. by the same token, youve got to remember w hole industry comes out of drug abuse, thus lining the pockets of the ones in charge...

 

[Manifespo]

I would be crazy to argue with your infallible logic.

Keep wallowing in your negativity!

See ya in the gutter!

 

[malevolent society]

never been in the gutter, never will be. ill be sure to spit there though...

 

[qwe]

simple solution; you stay in jail until you have been clean 12 months. that will stop you.

That would cost three times as much as simply just giving the addicts the heroin . Into that you've got to factor the costs of using the courts too.

indeed. plus most drug users who go to jail relapse upon release

So you'd give fixing crime rates a higher priority than helping chairities. 8) That's pretty sad. Remember junkies chose to delve deeper into their habits, whereas kids can't pick and chose the homes they grow up in.

Why should we be making it easier for junkies to come off drugs before we make it easier for orphans to grow up? As I said get your priorities sorted. They're more people deserving of that money than filthy criminal junkies.

I can see where you're coming from in hoping to lower the crime rate but I don't see that as any different as bowing down to terrorists.

regardless of my priorities, you're not making sense. there is no reason why we can't help out both orphans and addicts

 

[qwe]

drug addicts are dangerous. im not one, so how can i be ignorant ?

i'm afraid you missed his whole point (and the original article)

how is an opiate addict 'dangerous' if he can get cheap (or free), clean and legal opiates without having to steal or engage in other criminal activity?

on the other hand, alcohol is the only commonly used psychoactive drug which produces aggressive tendencies... so your statement 'drug addicts are dangerous' is true to an extent... but not in the way you meant it

if your little sister
gets raped by a crazed meth junkie, we will
quickly see you change your tune.

you are seriously misinformed. unless you can show me a study indicating a higher rate of rape among meth users that can be attributed to meth...

 

[MrMoss]

ssshhheeeeeeesh... never heard such a crock of shit in my life. if you ever think of becoming a lawyer, id like to see your argument with a majistrate over that one.

evry junkie should be registered and have tests FOR LIFE. dont pass, your back in jail for twice as long as your last visit. until you get the message.

You must be joking surely? It's an absolute fact that drug addicts hold down jobs and have a life. We need only look at the number celebs that are addicts. I think the term "Junkie" conjures images of low lifes where "Drug Addict" doesn't.

That's a great idea send addicts to jail where they can and will get drugs ... prisons are awash with drugs besides it merely encourages criminality and costs far more than any maintenance program.

Addicts should be treated the same way as alcoholics and given the support required to beat their addiction or at the least have a maintenance program.

 

[dankstersauce]

drug treatment where they give you the exact same (if not better/higher quality) drug you were addicted to. when i was using heroin i would have thought this was a great idea.

is this basically a way to try to get addicts to come into treatment and eventually get them on methadone? if thats the plan, i guess it might work.

overall though i'm not so sure, i don't think the idea will sit well with non-users and politicians. but it does have the potential to help people.

fuck i can't imagine it though. 2 shots a day and methadone at night....i'd be nodding all day long, i think i'd be too high to enjoy it

edit: and if you wanna talk about rape. think ALCOHOL, the most commmon drug involved in rape. Alcohol is the most common drug involved in almost all crimes. shit people doing 2 shots a day and methadone probably couldn't even get a hard on.

 

[Gaz_hmmmm]

Addicts would be allowed to inject themselves under supervision as part of a scheme costing £12,000 to £15,000 a year for every user.

That's disgusting. Think of how much more good would come if they put that money towards schools, hospitals and charities instead of wasting it on giving junkies free drugs. Disadvantaged kids deserve that money a hell of a lot more than junkies who chose that lifestyle.

It's good that they're trying to be more progressive in their approach to rehabilition ideas but they should try and get their priorities right first.

As someone mentioned manufacturing diamorphine isn't actually that expensive.

The reason why it'll probably cost £12k-£15k will be because our Govt' is fucking stupid and only allows one pharm' company to manufacture diamorphine. And since they have a monopoly on it they charge the Govt'/NHS £45 a gram.


When you take in to account that street H here in the UK is apparently about 50% pure and a teenth (1.75g's) is £50 on the street, they're charging about the same as illicit dealers.

A couple of months ago when this idea was mentioned, I'm not sure who said it, but it was mentioned that if they ever do this (Supply pharm' dia' to more addicts) then they either need to give more licenses to more pharm' companies so that they can make dia' or import it from Holland and other places. In Holland a gram of dia' on the Dutch NHS is £6.50!!! It just shows you how much the UK NHS and Govt' is being ripped off by what ever company it is that makes all of the UK dia' at the moment!

 

[twgburst]

Most drug addicts are just regular people with problems that cost more money then they have. Some are still scumbags either way, but many are not. Also some people like getting high more than they like staying sober.

 

[Mind-Melt]

yeah, alcohol and tobacco kill more than the reat put together, and they mostly dont evn get the term "drug" when we talk about re-hab, hence the term "drugs AND alcohol".

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the term? what if i said "drugs and coffee". that would be a term, but it doesn't distinguish caffeine from other drugs, same with ethyl alcohol.

 

[nuke]

As someone mentioned manufacturing diamorphine isn't actually that expensive.

The reason why it'll probably cost £12k-£15k will be because our Govt' is fucking stupid and only allows one pharm' company to manufacture diamorphine. And since they have a monopoly on it they charge the Govt'/NHS £45 a gram.


When you take in to account that street H here in the UK is apparently about 50% pure and a teenth (1.75g's) is £50 on the street, they're charging about the same as illicit dealers.

A couple of months ago when this idea was mentioned, I'm not sure who said it, but it was mentioned that if they ever do this (Supply pharm' dia' to more addicts) then they either need to give more licenses to more pharm' companies so that they can make dia' or import it from Holland and other places. In Holland a gram of dia' on the Dutch NHS is £6.50!!! It just shows you how much the UK NHS and Govt' is being ripped off by what ever company it is that makes all of the UK dia' at the moment!

Economic drug abuse? I remember one medication I got started on in Canada that cost $25 a month there generic, and then was I was living in the states it was $140 a month. I think we need commissions to seek out of manufaturing costs of pharmaceuticals and only allow drug companies to tweak the prices to a limited extent..

 

[fastandbulbous]

thats why they should be kept inside until they prove they are of worth to the community. as far as im concerned, if your junkie, you can saty in there FOREVER.

So unless someone can prove their worth to society, they're just left to suffer & die? Well what about the worth of someone who's quadraplegic from say a horse riding accident (a la Christopher Reeve). How do they 'prove their worth'? Does that mean that we withdraw heath services from those people because they chose the activity that lead to their condition (nobody has to go horse riding)?

Well done, you've become a promoter of eugenics - the last lot of people who promoted eugenics turned out to be the most disgusting examples of the human race in the 20th century - or are you a proponent of National Socialism as well?

 

[malevolent society]

comparing chris reeve, whom by the way has the ironic nickname of superman , to worthless junkies is as stupid as you are. we are not talking about eugenics at all, eugene, not by any stretch of your massive imagination.im talking about getting tough with criminals.

hey, im all for state sponsored dope programs, ive seen first hand the imfamous needle park in switzerland turned backed to the public. but thats not going to happen here.

 

[JakesCode]

*Shakes his head*

A wise man once said, knowledge can be aquired, but common sense is a gift...

There is still hope you you malevolent society.. And this is coming from someone who has never used any pain killers, and never will.. You just fail to see the point.. There are so many advantages to this scheme that clearly out weigh the disadvantages..

It is in no way a cure.. but a definite step in the right direction..

Open your eyes Soldier

 

[malevolent society]

you are splitting hairs... anyway, you cant reason with a drunk/drug addict. talking of pain...

 

[JakesCode]

You're missing the point completely...

I am no addict.. No more than you are! Sure we are all addicted to substances, but in your definition.. I dont use illegal substances..

It's just, basically you are saying that these people who are dependant on a substance are worthless criminals.. yes, some may be.. some may be able to afford to support their habbits. But what causes the criminal activity, is when people cannot afford to support their habbit.

If the government is support the substance at a fraction of the price, it reduces the resulting criminal activities. (theft, etc etc)..

Also if you researched some more, you would find that most junkies (as you would call them) are over the 'getting high' phase and would like to give up their habbits.. Its a shame things are often easier said than done... Especially when bringing physical addiction and the resulting withdrawals into it.

All this scheme plans to do is reduce the crime, and the risk to the user while still saving valuable dollars in the long run.. I fail to see how this is bad?

 

[malevolent society]

your a former addict ?... oh well, ill probably let you out... if you stay clean...dont start with your dick sizing, you dont know what i do... put it this way, i have enough money to have a philanthropy account. i also volunteer my time at the local soup van, as well as assist the r.s.p.c.a when i can. id rather help the animals to be quite honest, they show their appreciation...the money comes from my business of which i employ six people. next youll be attacking me for claiming the gifts off my tax return...8)

if your clean man, good on you. i wish you luck for the future. your probably going to need it.

 

[malevolent society]

You're missing the point completely...
what causes the criminal activity, is when people cannot afford to support their habbit.

"oh brother, with that line of thinking, its easy to see how people get involved in the first place. why dont you lobby your local dealer to drop the price then ?..."8)

 

[JakesCode]

I agree with you that people do make the choices to initiate the use of the drug. The same way we all make choices each and every day. However, rest assured that most people don't begin their use with intention of becoming addicted.

Have you not seen people fail to manage their income without drugs being part of the equation?

You can joke about dealers lowering their prices, sure! But what you fail to acknowledge is that the dealer is all about profit. Not about quality, nor what or what not the 'junkie' does with the substance.

Pharmecutically produced diamorphine will be of a known quality, and quanitity, allowing trained staff to safely administer the substance, in a safe environment.

Surely you can see that this will result in the addicts being on a stable dose, where they can be 'medicated' rather than 'high'. I don't see how someone on a dose to stop their withdrawals will be disfunctional. They won't need to steal to support their habbit due to lower prices, and they won't be overdosing due to unknown strength. Needles are clean and will be disposed of correctly.

I completely agree that it is not the solution, but humans are exactly that and make mistakes. Is it better to educate and help them, or lock them up and punish them?

Two scenarios, representing two types of people:

1) Scumbag, no good.. doesnt care.. is a junkie.. deserves to goto jail.. probably deserves to be there.. and will find their way there with or without drugs!

2) The typical guy, who mistakenly gets caught up using more than intended, struggles with money, due to inflated drug prices, and ends up locked up with people like person 1). Now tell me, after locking the once innocent person away with the 'real criminals', what is this person going to be like after life in the cell? will they come out a better person without their habbit? or will they have learnt much more about the darker side of life?

Im waiting for you to actually post an intelligent reply.. I dont think its going to happen..