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NEWS : 25.2.10 - Dying drug addict refused second liver transplant

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I think more people should become donors.
Seriously people are selfish as someone else said.
You shouldn't even need to be a verified donor IMO, the doctors should just be able to take organs if the person is dead.
The article said there were 7 liver transplants in WA I think it was.
Seriously, wtf?
That's NOTHING!
A few thousands people being donors would almost guarantee every one of those people gets a liver.
Especially if you could be a live donor, and they contact you if you're a match or whatever. I'd do it, in fact I'm going to register as an organ donor right now.

Just found this on the Australian Organ Donor website.
Sunday 28th Feb is awareness day, two days time.

Australian Organ Donor Awareness Week

Australian Organ Donor Awareness Week (AODAW) is the largest public awareness campaign in Australia promoting organ and tissue donation for transplantation. During this week, we aim to raise awareness of the pressing need for organ and tissue donation and highlight the success of transplantation. Australians are encouraged to discuss donation, know each other's wishes and register their decision on the Australian Organ Donor Register.

The next AODAW will be held between Sunday 21 February and Sunday 28 February 2010.
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Go here if you want to register http://www.medicareaustralia.gov.au/public/services/aodr/register.jsp
 
I am a Class A donor and have been since I got my license around 15 years ago ...

But I would turn in my grave knowing my gift has been pissed on by some junkie who couldn't get their shit together ...

This upsets me because of people like her that people wont donate organs in fear that this would happen ... this is why this women has been refused because she can't help herself and she had already been given a second chance ...

let her mother or father donate part of their livers to save her ...

Not too hapy tax payers have to pay for her trip to NZ to get a liver ...

I might sound harsh to alot of you but she was already dead before she got her first transplant and she pissed that away..
 
We should give her a third chance... just so she can fuck this one up as well. meanwhile, someone else doesnt get a 2nd chance
 
The drug use didn't cause the first transplanted liver to fail, Liver donations often fail. If you are trying to calculate her worthiness to receive the organ, then you have to look at these other patients - do they drink at all? do they eat fatty foods? do they drive dangerously? are they an asshole? there are far too many variables to consider and many that your puny minds would not have even realised because you are far too quick to judge and don't take any time thinking more meaningfully about the issue.
 
It's a very tricky subject, however i'm happy that she has another chance to live (and hopefully live a long and healthy, drug-free life - and by drug free, i mean recreational drugs, she'll be on anti-rejection drugs as long as she lives).

My cousin has Cystic Fibrosis and is the oldest surviving adult with the condition. She's had a lung and kidney transplant (the kidney was donated by her dad after hers failed due to all the drugs she's taking). For the first time since she was born, she was able to travel further than 10km from the hospital. She's now traveled the world, and is studying photography back in England. I got to meet her in 2008 (she's from the UK) and I am really in awe of her determination to not just live, but to *really* live.

So, knowing what my cousin went through, i can't say that it doesn't anger me a little to read of someone who, after receiving a donor organ, still took recreational drugs... we take a risk any time we use drugs, but with the added risk of a body that is fighting the rejection of an organ that is saving them? As i said, i can't say that it doesn't frustrate/anger me to read about, but I can't say that i wouldn't want her to have another chance. Not only is she a mum, she's another human being. I guess for me, even though the news article has been twisted, i can't help but feel something negative about someone using drugs (which would mean any kind - heroin, stimulants, alcohol, tobacco) if they'd had an organ transplant. Having said that, addiction is a disease and she should have received proper care and rehabilitation.

The whole news article smacks of "Herald Scum" reporting, really.

As an aside, if you are an organ donor - make sure that you not only tick YES to organ donation on your license, but you also join the Australian Organ Donor Register - by doing so, you are giving official consent to donating them. When someone dies, a family's grief can lead them to make a knee-jerk decision about the donation of a loved ones organs. By registering, your decision is final.

Australian Organ Donor Register website

edit: someone already posted the link - i need to learn to read!
 
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permastoned said:
The drug use didn't cause the first transplanted liver to fail, Liver donations often fail. If you are trying to calculate her worthiness to receive the organ, then you have to look at these other patients - do they drink at all? do they eat fatty foods? do they drive dangerously? are they an asshole? there are far too many variables to consider and many that your puny minds would not have even realised because you are far too quick to judge and don't take any time thinking more meaningfully about the issue.
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I agree. I'm actually pretty pissed off at 'The West Australian' newspaper regarding this whole thing. They've intentionally written the article and subsequent articles to deliberately create this bullshit debate where every person believes they can throw in their opinion and judge the worthiness of allowing people to live or die.

They've dumbed it down to the point of - should a drug addict recieve a liver transplant? So you've got the majority screaming 'no!' because they've made it about the drugs. When infact her 2nd liver didn't fail due to drugs, which gets 1 line in the whole article I read today, with the rest filled with nonsense about her drug use and how it's her 2nd transplant, the waiting lists, taxpayers money blah blah blah.

What I'm getting at is that the media have blown this story up and left out the most important information in order to create a huge debate and hit peoples nerves. It's fucking disgusting.
 
I can just imagine the first transplant donor's face after hearing their donor liver failed because of irressponsibility 8)
 
From another forum.

Pitty it never mentions about the abuse her & her parents gave the nurses n doctors at charlies while in there. Screaming for morphine every hour on the hour, telling the doc who gave her the second chance at life to go fuck himself etc/
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My cousin is a nurse at charlies and had to look after this girl,
She was screaming and shouting wanting more morphine every 15-20 mins but when she realised they couldnt give her more untill a hour had passed she would watch the clock till the hour is gone then scream n yell, her mother would hunt down nurses abusing them saying they are not giving her -any- pain releif. Her old man is also a prick.

When the doc came to see her (the doc that gave her the transplant in the first place) she yelled at him to fuck off and never to come back, her olds didnt want to see him either.

Basically she is a crack head who didnt deserve a second chance and sure as all hell doesnt deserve another shot at it.
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Sounds like a wonderful person!!
 
rosee said:
It's an interesting debate but she has not proved herself to show right from wrong as yet.

Also I would be embarrassed to put myself out there like that.
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I was merely bringing to light the style of argument being propounded by certain individuals on this board... it's called a self-reflexive statement....i.e., a literary device typically employed within topical debates/arguments of a black & white nature....
 
Guys your missing the point here, she did not have proper follow up, with her rehabilitation, Namely methadone/Suboxone pharmacotherapy. You cant treat her physical side, and then let her addiction side slide. She relapsed to heroin because (A) Perhaps some person thought methadone suboxone might not be good for her liver, yet it has no long term contradictions. Her new liver would have gone 40yrs if she was properly maintained on a dose that stopped her using heroin. So we should ask the question, did the medical community contribute to her failing? I think she should be given another chance , with proper substance rehabilitation. Ignorance is still rife in the medical community regarding Pharmacotherapy treatments, NA and AA are not the only way to stay clean...:!:!:!:!:!:!:!:!:! Think about that first , not the fact she was using heroin. Her disease (addiction) took over unfortunately,and it should have been top priority along side her LT, and she should have been given the best chance in that 12months with careful monitoring.;);)













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My cousin is a nurse at charlies and had to look after this girl,
She was screaming and shouting wanting more morphine every 15-20 mins but when she realised they couldnt give her more untill a hour had passed she would watch the clock till the hour is gone then scream n yell, her mother would hunt down nurses abusing them saying they are not giving her -any- pain releif. Her old man is also a prick.

When the doc came to see her (the doc that gave her the transplant in the first place) she yelled at him to fuck off and never to come back, her olds didnt want to see him either.

Basically she is a crack head who didnt deserve a second chance and sure as all hell doesnt deserve another shot at it.



And do you honestly think if she was on her suboxone/methadone this would of occured?, NO!!!!!!!!!!!.. like i said you cant just fix one thing , yet leave the other , what great no treatment for addiction leave them raw , i would also like to find out how quick they stopped her methadone for this LT, i dont see any reason why they would even discontinue it..If she had a dose that held her , she would not be screaming at people..I would scream at you too if you made me Withdraw from methadone, it can take a long time to Withdraw from it , and its a slow process because of its long half life. I bet some old school doctors loved that she was like that, addict discrimination...I have been on it 10years and work f/time, and you wouldn't know i was on it. I'ts given me a life back..something Claire should have been given too.
 
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NCUK said:
this is a shitty situation that i know all too well. i just lost my father to hep-c and liver failure in april. i was the worst experience of my life. he needed a new liver to survive but he never got one. the worst part is these doctors get your hopes up by putting him on the list, then taking him off. this happened soo many times. i feel for the family and their grief to come
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Most doctors would probably prefer to save a life regardless,True charity and the giving of gifts is not giving the gift with the intention of receiving in return, and also not being concerned who receives your charity. The same with medicine, the doctor took the oath to heal the sick and cause no harm. If there is an organ available, and unless for medical reasons a waiting recipient should not receive the transplant, it is not within the physician's realm to decide that spirituality or social background should determine if the recipient is worthy. Why do they put some people yet take others of the list? So who is worthy?.
 
Methadonia said:
Most doctors would probably prefer to save a life regardless,True charity and the giving of gifts is not giving the gift with the intention of receiving in return, and also not being concerned who receives your charity. The same with medicine, the doctor took the oath to heal the sick and cause no harm. If there is an organ available, and unless for medical reasons a waiting recipient should not receive the transplant, it is not within the physician's realm to decide that spirituality or social background should determine if the recipient is worthy. Why do they put some people yet take others of the list? So who is worthy?.
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But that's the thing, she's not being kept off the list because of her social background, but because she suffers from shall we call it a chronic condition (addiction) that will render the donation useless. It's wasted on her when it could go to someone who'll receive the full benefit of the rare and valuable organ.
 
I have a simple proposition for all the soap-boxing that I have seen done in this thread for the past week.

If you really want to make a difference that's real, carry a donor card. I do, and have always done so. If you feel this strongly that part of the problem is a lack of donors, then help rectify the problem dont sit there and bitch, become part of the solution. Given the degree of drug use, some of us may not be able to be donors, but I get the impression that the majority of you could be.

This woman is now in the process of receiving a 'live donor' donation from a relative, so I think we can draw a line in the sand on this particular case. With respect to this woman, her kids, and her live donor, I hope that the procedure is successful and that she receives the after care support she is going to need.
 
perthboy said:
Thanks for the link, I finally got myself registered.
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Np mate, me too!

Akhenaten said:
I have a simple proposition for all the soap-boxing that I have seen done in this thread for the past week.

If you really want to make a difference that's real, carry a donor card. I do, and have always done so. If you feel this strongly that part of the problem is a lack of donors, then help rectify the problem dont sit there and bitch, become part of the solution. Given the degree of drug use, some of us may not be able to be donors, but I get the impression that the majority of you could be.
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On this note, she has indirectly made myself and perthboy donors. Therefore possibly saving two lives in the future. For all the pessimists, does she deserve it now?
 
A question though, now that I've signed up on the Organ Donor site is that all I have to do?
Or do I need to get Organ Donor on my Driver's license, or get an organ donor card?
I'd rather not sit here thinking I'm a donor, and when the time comes it turns out I haven't done enough or anything
 
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Pretty sure you get a card, my mum has one. I plan to register soon. They should just implement the 'opt out' system rather then the current 'opt in' system. So everyones considered an organ donor unless you specifically request not to be.
 
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