New Zealand PM moves to ban pseudoephedrine

^Yeah, the phenylephrine that replaced pseudoephedrine on regular store shelves has been shown to be relatively ineffective as an oral decongestant. Nasal sprays work damn well, a few times, then you're hit by rebound congestion which is worse than you were off in the first place. If phenylephrine is the best replacement they could come up with, I think people with congestion are sort of just screwed if pseudo is totally banned. It's hot peppers and illicitly obtain amphetamines from here on out folks.
 
The meth scene in New Zealand is nowhere as hardcore as it is in Western North America or Thailand, but you don't see the US, Canada, Mexico and Thailand banning pseudoephedrine. That's just a dumb law.
 
The meth scene in New Zealand is nowhere as hardcore as it is in Western North America or Thailand, but you don't see the US, Canada, Mexico and Thailand banning pseudoephedrine. That's just a dumb law.

Restrictions on Pseudoephedrine are are in force in most parts of America, aren't they? I'm sure that some states have banned it too.

I had no idea that Methampethamine was such an issue in New Zealand!

Still no Methampethamine scene in the UK, it's really odd - not that I'm complaining.
 
Yeah I've always wondered why meth never took off in the UK, it's popular pretty much everywhere else in the world except South America (for obvious reasons).

As for NZ, it's really the only drug they have steady access to outside of weed, as far as I can understand. They're so remote that everything else is rare and/or low quality.
 
When I was in England a year ago, I could buy pseudo and nurofen plus over the counter, no questions asked or ID required.
 
Where as here last yr when i was buying it every few weeks or so for a sick relo who really needed it at the same chemist each time (major constant chest infections, running nose and congested) they would treat me like a criminal. Take my licence and take the details down to put on the database (pseudo watch) (I know that part is law) but the looks they gave me and constant telling of the dosage limits and shit like that was pretty annoying. I was like whatever, we are paying for it and they are needed by a pretty sick person.... (as i walk out id be thinking fuck you assholes).
I wonder why England or Uk hasnt got a huge meth scene then? Anyone know?
 
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Yep you can buy it OTC no problems a decongestant, its an odd one in the UK as there is very little Meth around, its a real rarity and always has been, yet Ketamine (for example) is still widely available in vials even though its now much more tightly controlled.

Amphetamine Sulphate has always been the standard in the UK but the general quality has fallen dramatically over recent years along with coke, purely down to the obscene amount of cutting agents being added in the supply chain.

We get to see the NZ Border Control program over here and all the Contact NT that seems to flood in through the mail etc. looks like a loosing battle.
 
Drug charges after pharmacy search

A MAN has been charged with selling large amounts of pseudoephedrine-based medication for the manufacture of illicit drugs from a pharmacy in Perth's southern suburbs.

Western Australian police on Sunday said they had searched Khan's Market City Pharmacy in Canning Vale after monitoring sales of cold and flu medication from the premises.

It will be alleged that over a four month period, 191 packets of the medication were sold unlawfully through the pharmacy.

Police said it would also be alleged that individuals bought more than 55 packets without identification on two occasions.

The sales potentially provided the basis for more than 475 grams of street-level methylamphetamine with a conservative value of more than $210,000, police said.

The man was charged with two counts of possess certain substance over a prescribed amount and eight counts of possess certain substance.

He is due to appear in the Armadale Magistrates Court on June 29.

http://www.dailytelegraph.com.au/ne...-pharmacy-search/story-e6freuyi-1226397877891

Kind of related lol 8(
 
Reminds me of the paper giving synthesis methods of psuedo from meth, due to te increasing rarity of psuedo and the constant availability of good pure crystal.

From The Pipeline

Whoever's behind the Journal of Apocryphal Chemistry is trying to do everyone a good deed before we get into allergy season. After detailing the ever-more-stringent controls on the sale of pseudephedrine, they propose a synthetic route based on a more readily available starting material: methamphetamine.

A quick search of several neighborhoods of the United States revealed that while pseudephedrine is difficult to obtain, N-methylmethamphetamine can be procured at almost any time on short notice and in quantities sufficient for synthesis of useful amounts of the desired material. Moreover, according to government statistics, N-methylmethamphetamine is becoming an increasingly attractive starting material for pseudephedrine, as the availability of N-methylmethamphetamine has remained high while prices have dropped and purity has increased. We present here a convenient series of transformations using reagents which can be found in most well stocked organic chemistry laboratories. . .

Their route, based on a 1985 paper in J. Chem. Soc. Chem. Comm., is not exactly trailer-park chemistry, though. (I note that they have the reference a bit wrong as well; there was no plain J. Chem. Soc. in 1985). It involves a chromium carbonyl complex of the aryl ring, formation of a chiral lithium dianion, and oxidation of that with MoOPH, which would give you pseudephedrine after decomplexation. There's no way to tell if these reactions have actually been run, of course. Based on the literature precedent, it might work, although I'd be worried about maintaining the chirality of the dianion. (For what it's worth, the authors are also aware of this problem, and claim that the selectivity was unaffected).

Their larger point stands. I look forward to seeing more from this paper's authors, O. Hai and I. B. Hakkenshit. I see less interesting stuff in my RSS feed every day of the week.
 
Yeah I've always wondered why meth never took off in the UK, it's popular pretty much everywhere else in the world except South America (for obvious reasons).

As for NZ, it's really the only drug they have steady access to outside of weed, as far as I can understand. They're so remote that everything else is rare and/or low quality.

Don't forget about our shrooms, they grow everywhere! I found hundreds at a high school!
it is hard to get decent uppers though, its basically ritalin or meth.
 
Restrictions on Pseudoephedrine are are in force in most parts of America, aren't they? I'm sure that some states have banned it too.

I had no idea that Methampethamine was such an issue in New Zealand!

Still no Methampethamine scene in the UK, it's really odd - not that I'm complaining.

Oh yeah there are major restrictions on the purchase of pseudoephedrine in the United States, especially in the western and southwestern states like California, Arizona, New Mexico, Utah, Nevada, Texas, Oregon, Washington, Colorado, etc.
There are restrictions on it everywhere in the US though. Crystal meth is a much bigger problem in the western United States than it is in the East. All of the western part of North America (both USA and Canada) is just awash with crystal meth. It's so bad that I don't think there is any other country in the world that has a bigger problem than the west coast of the US and Canada (British Colombia and Alberta).

Thailand and Japan I hear have huge huge meth problems too. But the scene in western North America is really depraved. Its just hardcore tweakers because the US and Canada get pure pure crystal meth, probably the highest purity in the world. All comes up from Mexican superlabs.

From what I hear, in NZ its not the best quality stuff they have. Most of it is cooked by small time cooks right in NZ.

I'm also surprised that it hasn't it the UK and western Europe. However, it was present in Germany when I was there last August, albeit not anywhere near the quality that is available in North America.
 
I'm also surprised that it hasn't it the UK and western Europe. However, it was present in Germany when I was there last August, albeit not anywhere near the quality that is available in North America.

It's not very sought after in Europe. It's been around for a while, in varying quality, but very sporadically - and when it does turn up, nobody that I know buys that stuff. People just prefer regular racemic amphetamine sulphate to meth.

I doubt this ban will have much of an effect, but all kinds of ridiculous regulations like this are in place throughout the world. I've heard in Latin America it's hard to get a hold of strong bases like lye, because of its applications in cocaine production - so the Colombians end up using cement as their base.
 
I live outside of st louis and the top 2 drugs on the news is meth and heroin. If i remember correctly missouri is the meth capital of the US. Not something to be proud of i guess but quality is pretty good out here, both "ice" and "shake-n-bake".
 
The meth scene in New Zealand is nowhere as hardcore as it is in Western North America or Thailand, but you don't see the US, Canada, Mexico and Thailand banning pseudoephedrine. That's just a dumb law.

Especially since they're apparently not restricting the other precursors - do they even know that reduction from pseudo is only one way of synthesizing meth? Not to mention banning pseudoephedrine is hardly gonna stop black market pseudoephedrine from getting into the country.

This law is logically and intellectually completely bankrupt. I don't know if Thailand's attempt to curb the Ya Baa under then-PM Thaksin's campaign in 2003 was that much better though - the goal was "to rid every square inch of Thailand of drugs in three months". Now of course, that's an impossibly optimistic target, but they didn't let that bother them, and set to it with a vengeance: the police were essentially given the right - if not the duty - to shoot suspected drug dealers on sight. A huge wave of extrajudicial executions followed.
 
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