New way to trip?

[el diablo918]

Ok so i'm thinking that i've stumbled onto something quite amazing. Last weekend had two green clovers, and decided to take them at home to do a little experimenting since i'm new and inexperienced (not my first time, number eight). They were a very mellow euphoria with good visuals. I spaced them out 3 hours apart, and once i was feeling both pretty good I used a little suboxin AFTER doing reseach to make sure it was safe. It was a decent addition to the mellow high. Now, on this amazing discovery, when i started coming down i wanted to smoke some green to help but was out. I did however have some synthetic cannabis, cannaboid, whatever, that shall remain nameless for the time being. I quickly got onto the internet to see if it was safe to mix with the x but, to my surprise i could find no articles where anyone had mixed the two. I decided what the hell and went for it. First thing that happened was extreme paranoia, I looked around my room and thought WTF have i been doing? I immediately cleaned up all my mess from rolling, turned off my cpu, my tv, my lights and craweled into bed. Next i had a strange sensation that i couldn't quite put my finger on, almost like a panic attack or strong drug such as LSD coming on. My heart was beating so fast I literally thought I was having a heart attach. I tried to talk to myself in my head to calm myself down, but the voice in my head wasn't mine. Which only made it worse. Then, peace, my bedroom wall dropped down and i was looking at a golden road that went on forever. There was music playing and sound waves came at me and hit me in the face (the music was so clear and distinct that after i started coming down I actually thought I left my cpu speakers on). There were many, many other things like all of my walls turning into T.V. playing cartoons, and the cartoon characters walking out of the wall into my room and talking to me. Sometimes I felt like i wasn't in my room at all. The really intense trip lasted about 45 min (about how long the synthetic lasts), with about 15 min of super trippy visuals. I've ate shrooms, dropped acid, and smoked DMT, and it was the most intense thing I have ever experienced. It was close to the DMT but with the plus of lasting so long. After i came down i loaded another bowl and went for another ride, without the drawback of the pre-freakout of course. Keep in mind I had this experience while on the comedown, who knows how intense it could be right in the heat of a roll. I do not condone any of this however since i can't seem to find any info on the combo. So who knows what the drawbacks/side effects are. I was just wondering if anyone else knew about this or discovered it just like me. All I know is i'm doin it again this weekend BITCHES!!!

 

[jeffevo]

was it like an out of body experience

 

[atara]

So in short: ecstasy, suboxone, "spice" blend. Sounds like you would trip, yes. I think real weed might be a little safer.

Be careful combining opioids with ecstasy. Tramadol in particular should never be combined with MDMA.

 

[any major dude]

^good advice

In regards to synthetic cannabinoids, they can certainly induce a trip type experience. One friend accidentally overdid it a bit with 073 (this was a couple years ago) and had an experience not dissimilar from the one in the OP. Albeit she also vomited a fair bit & said it was mostly unpleasant. I've experienced the most intricate, complex, & seemingly real auditory hallucinations of my life on JWH-250. In as far as combining them with MDMA, probably not the safest thing as cannabinoids tend to cause increased heart rate & blood pressure, as does MDMA. Certainly not the most reckless thing to do though, just mind the dose & probably better to use cannabinoids on the come down than at other points. Real weed would probably be safer, even though it too causes some increased heart rate & bp, because it isn't as potent as the synthetic stuff.

 

[jamaica0535]

Be careful combining opioids with ecstasy. Tramadol in particular should never be combined with MDMA.

I don't know if it would kill you, but I wouldn't doubt the notion that it increases your odds of suddenly becoming aware that your staring at the sky surrounded by concerned people and possibly paramedics because you just spent the last few minutes having a seizure on the ground.

And trust me.... its unpleasant. Not so much the seizure than the reaction those around you have to it. Having someone you care about fall over and start convulsing out of the blue for several minutes while your brain hits a power surge is pretty scary to see. Being the one having the seizure, the tendency is total amnesia after the seizure starts. You open your eyes like a blink of time has passed wondering "what happened?".

Tramadol shouldn't be combined with a lot of things, tends to facilitate seizures happening if your prone to seizures. Stimulants make you prone to seizures. Combining them isn't good.

But im not the most sober at the moment, and I find your post difficult to understand? Give some division to the various ideas your trying to convey in a simplistic manner than isn't a wall of text. Im just stating that if you throw enough drugs at your brain, at some point its going to take a moment to say "no.... fuck your shit" after eating whatever you ate to cause it.

Also high dose JWH gets into the relm of dissociative anesthetics, at least in effect profile. Pharmacology, metabolism, interactions are not always well studied. Unless you put the chemical on the herb, its any one of about 1000 things.
Most anesthetics don't act like cannabinoids though.

 

[TheAppleCore]

Is combining synthetic cannabinoids with MDMA any *less* safe than smoking cannabis on MDMA?

 

[AlyDrops]

MDMA + cannabinoids on the comedown. This is a pretty well-known way to trip, it always has visuals just like you described. The only difference with weed is you feel amazing the entire time. Synthetics suck IMO

 

[jeffevo]

MDMA + cannabinoids on the comedown. This is a pretty well-known way to trip, it always has visuals just like you described. The only difference with weed is you feel amazing the entire time. Synthetics suck IMO

have you read the ingredients on the different types of shit , do your research the stuff is called Diablo look up the ingredients then tell me that it does the same thing as THC bud.

 

[frontbluntt]

Maybe in the spirit of harm reduction you should let us know what chemical in particular you smoked?

 

[jamaica0535]

Is combining synthetic cannabinoids with MDMA any *less* safe than smoking cannabis on MDMA?

Probably, the synthetic cannabinoids have far less of a history of human use.

But then again, quite a number of the JWH series seem to show medically positive effects on the brain and nervous system...

The problem is that most don't and you rarely know what your smoking out of any hundreds or thousands of chemicals that have a similiar action.

 

[el diablo918]

It is indeed called diablo

 

[AlyDrops]

have you read the ingredients on the different types of shit , do your research the stuff is called Diablo look up the ingredients then tell me that it does the same thing as THC bud.

What the hell are you talking about? It's a synthetic cannabinoid. I have used Diablo before, as well as several other blends, and even pure JWH chemicals. They DO do the same thing as weed, with the only differences being that they're slightly more dissociative, slightly less sedating, and with weed you can smoke as much as you want without feeling like shit. Weed is the far preferred drug for this combo, MDMA comedowns + THC are magical.

 

[el diablo918]

dudes i've had these same rolls twice before this happened and smoked weed with em both times and never experienced anything like this

 

[atara]

Suboxone almost surely contributed. Opioids do weird things to serotonin, though, so be extremely cautious about mixing them with entactogens.

 

[jamaica0535]

dudes i've had these same rolls twice before this happened and smoked weed with em both times and never experienced anything like this

Ketamine is much safer and well studies... Uppers take you up, downers take you down, ketamine is something much more wobbly and slanted.

Its everything you want in single well studied drug. Mildly addictive, but better that than smoking unknown synthetics cannabinoids and general poly-drug abuse.

You know nothing other than the brand, unless you make it yourself or know the person that does.

Trust me, you have no idea what your smoking. The JWH series spans a very long way, some of them produce compounds that will accumulate in the body until its enough to kill you, others produce powerful neuroprotective mechanism and help stimulate nerve growth, but many of them.... We dont really know.
Look at the differences between HU-210 and HU-211, they are almost molecularly the same thing, one is magnitudes more potent than THC, the other is a non-psychoactive protective drug. with a method of action on NMDA... which is something I do not associate Cannabis or its action with.

And that is just the JWH series, hardly any of them have even a tiny amount of research.... I mean hell, im pulling this list from Wikipedia Russia because the american list is far less organized and thorough.
Synthetic Cannabinoids

 

[jamaica0535]

They DO do the same thing as weed, with the only differences being that they're slightly more dissociative, slightly less sedating, and with weed you can smoke as much as you want without feeling like shit.

This doesn't have an action anything like weed. NMDA antagonist that acts as a powerful anti-consultant and neuroprotective and has no action on cannabinoid receptors. This synthetic cannabinoid works more like ketamine.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dexanabinol

The mirror image of the last one acts as a synthetic cannabinoid 100 to 800 times the potency of natural THC from cannabis. It takes eating less than a drop of honey oil to stone people that smoke out of a bong 10 times a day. imagine 100th of a drop, how about 800?, your brain can't comprehend how tiny a dose of this is. Its action is almost identical to natural THC if potency is overlooked. Reportedly stimulates neural growth, anti anxiety, anti depressant.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/HU-210

db the same forms make up each letter, but they are different and individual.

apparently some of them that have a chain that terminates with fluoride,AM-694 for reference. While AM-694 isn't thought to produce a lot of fluroacetate, but its homologs very much could. So basically your body metabolizes it into something nasty, the cannabinoid gets it across the blood brain barrier, and effective lethal dose should drop much lower if the breakdown occurs in the brain, if it was the liver, you might just die slower.

You should be aware that chemical labs sometimes fuck up, and even if it isn't immediately noticeable, toxins that accumulate exist as byproducts.....

 

[Okami]

The synthetics are unnecessarily risky it seems. The long term effects of cannabis are still being debated and we've being using it for years. I don't live in a particularly large town or anything, but even here you can get weed whenever, its a question of whether your being ripped of and getting good stuff or not, I don't see much reason for using the JWHs, considering the risk. Not to mention that the one time I did have JWH-019 it did what cannabis does in every single way, and yet in no way enjoyable. It felt identical to weed, but without being pleasant.

 

[jamaica0535]

The synthetics are unnecessarily risky it seems. The long term effects of cannabis are still being debated and we've being using it for years. I don't live in a particularly large town or anything, but even here you can get weed whenever, its a question of whether your being ripped of and getting good stuff or not, I don't see much reason for using the JWHs, considering the risk. Not to mention that the one time I did have JWH-019 it did what cannabis does in every single way, and yet in no way enjoyable. It felt identical to weed, but without being pleasant.

For a long while I found it much more convenient to stop by the smoke shop for a bag than finding a reliable pot dealer.

I am from a place where getting caught with a gram will probably lead to your arrest. Not having to deal with that is kind of an upside, you find brands that you like.... Some do little, others are intense enough to make you collapse on the floor.

 

[Okami]

For a long while I found it much more convenient to stop by the smoke shop for a bag than finding a reliable pot dealer.

I am from a place where getting caught with a gram will probably lead to your arrest. Not having to deal with that is kind of an upside, you find brands that you like.... Some do little, others are intense enough to make you collapse on the floor.

Fair enough, here you can only really be caught if you smoke in public. Although if you dress in a particular fashion and live in the right side of town you do get random searches by police. Thing is here police have to give you a reason for the search and smelling like weed is no longer a suitable reason.

 

[AlyDrops]

This doesn't have an action anything like weed. NMDA antagonist that acts as a powerful anti-consultant and neuroprotective and has no action on cannabinoid receptors. This synthetic cannabinoid works more like ketamine.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dexanabinol

The mirror image of the last one acts as a synthetic cannabinoid 100 to 800 times the potency of natural THC from cannabis. It takes eating less than a drop of honey oil to stone people that smoke out of a bong 10 times a day. imagine 100th of a drop, how about 800?, your brain can't comprehend how tiny a dose of this is. Its action is almost identical to natural THC if potency is overlooked. Reportedly stimulates neural growth, anti anxiety, anti depressant.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/HU-210

db the same forms make up each letter, but they are different and individual.

apparently some of them that have a chain that terminates with fluoride,AM-694 for reference. While AM-694 isn't thought to produce a lot of fluroacetate, but its homologs very much could. So basically your body metabolizes it into something nasty, the cannabinoid gets it across the blood brain barrier, and effective lethal dose should drop much lower if the breakdown occurs in the brain, if it was the liver, you might just die slower.

You should be aware that chemical labs sometimes fuck up, and even if it isn't immediately noticeable, toxins that accumulate exist as byproducts.....

I'm well aware of these chemicals and their effects, but who's talking about Dexanabinol? Why are you bringing that in? I'm talking about cannabinoids by functionality, not be structural similarity.