Opioids new to suboxone, question about it!

[BlazeBabyGurla]

so this is my first time posting on this website after reading on it for years and I'm sure this thread isn't in the right place; but I can't figure out how to start a new thread in the suboxone area- please don't call me retarded or get all mad, I literally just signed up for this website like an hour ago simply to post this one thing because I can't find the answer to it anywhere.

my question is pretty simple, but I have to give you some background info first. first off: I've always been an opiate lover, I used like vicodin & codeine once in awhile when I could get it in HS, and then when I was like 21 (I'm 23 now) my ex-boyfriend got me hooked on heroin. We were on and off of it for a long time, mostly on, and then in October I was forced to move from the big city I grew up in to a small town and could no longer get it- which YES, I AM INCREDIBLY grateful for that, although I still do have cravings. Fast forward, I met my best friend here, she used to shoot morphine (she didn't like H for whatever reason) and just like me, her D.O.C. has always been opiates. However we can't seem to find any up here, the cops have manager to flush most of the drugs except meth out of the city (fuckin assholes) and the only thing we could get our hands on after literally like a month of searching was suboxone 8mg strips. I have read a LOT about subs, mostly on this website but I also know about them because my ex started getting them prescribed to him to get off of heroin, I never took them though, I wasn't aware they had any recreational value until I moved here and was told they do.
Anyway, my tolerance to opiates has gone way down so when we got the one strip yesterday I took like 1mg of it and got high. It was an okay high, nothing compared to the euphoria I feel from other pain killers but still enjoyable. That was last night around like 5pm (it's 6pm here now). Then this morning around like 7am I took another like 1.5mgs before work and got high, but not quite as high as I did last night. Then today at like 3:30pm when I got home from work I took probably another 1.5mgs, felt nothing after an hour so I took another mg, making it about 2.5-3mgs taken since I came home from work. It's now 6:15pm-ish and I feel a little buzz but mostly I'm just super tired and that's it.

Now that I gave you the background info, I can get to the point. I have read all about how after taking subs for awhile it has no recreational value at all, regardless of how much you take AND that you have to wait like three days in order to take any other opiates and feel the effecs from it. My question is, could I really not be feeling anything because this is my third time taking it? Would the recreational value it held for me before go away this fast, or did I just not take enough? Wtf is going on?
and before I end this I just wanna say: I am fully aware that suboxone does not have any recreational value for some people, however I did state that for me the first two times I took it I did get high, this is the first time I haven't. Also, I have the 8mg orange strips and was told to like put them under my tongue- and I'm totally guessing as far as the dosing on this goes, cus I have no way to really tell. I do know that I had a full 8mg strip yesterday and now I have half a strip left. I took such a little amount because of all I read on here about when you take suboxone the first time.
Any help would be greatly appreciated because right now all I'm feeling is tired as hell and I really don't wanna waste all the rest of it, I just bought another half strip of suboxone today. Thanks so much!!

 

[The Doc.]

The problem is you took too much off the bat you should have dosed in .5 -1mg doses 2 being the Max anything over 2 cause the receptors to be completely filled up with bupe (the opiate in subs)so no more can enter and give you the high you get from first taking bupe. The problem with bupe is its long half life it only kills pain and gives euphoria for about 4-6 hours and has a half life of 36 hours so after 6 hours you don't have the high but you still have have your receptors filled up with bupe so you can't get those off to get the first rush again when you take it in big amounts if that makes sense lol hard to word it better to use visuals lol. Badiclly what I'm saying is less is more when bupe is given to patients who arnt opiate addicts but are prescribed suboxone for pain after surgery it is given in doses of 0.2 mgs to 0.4mgs every 3-4 hours. This is the most effective way to use suboxone for pain or for getting high. Because the dose will wear off quicker and allow more fresh bupe to enter the brain allowing for euphoria. Buphernorphine acts more like a full opiate agonist(heroin,oxycodone,morphine are full agonists) instead of an antagonist (something that blocks opiates and reverses an overdose). Once you go over 2 mgs it starts to act like an antagonist meaning it blocks other opiates and won't get you any euphoria if you take any suboxone. People who take a whole bunch like 20 mgs or something will think it sucks because it doesn't get them high at all but if they took 2 mgs they would have been high . so taper back down to nothing then start dosing in micrograms every 4 hours and see how that goes it feels nice when you do it that way I've done it for years
Pm me if you have anymore questions I'm very experienced when it comes to suboxone.

 

[HdoubleODeezy]

^ that's the same dose i'd recommend. about .5mg

Buprenorphine is a partial agonist but it's metabolite norbuprenorphine is a full agonist. Problem with that is the buprenorphine has a higher affinity than the norbupe.. so the more you take the less norbupe will get to your receptors.
Yes buprenorphine can cause a high itself but like trainspotter said it's not like the high of what a full agonist would be.
Less is more with bupe. Especially for recreational use.
Try taking a spoon and add a little warm water in it and place a .5mg piece of the strip in it and let it dissolve (shouldn't take more than a couple minutes) and then snort the liquid through a cut straw, it will give a quicker onset and more of a "rush" if you wanna call it that.
I'm not saying abusing it is the way to go, but you are already so i might as well help you get the most of it.

But since you have taken so much in the past day or so, for best effects i would wait at least 24 hours before doing this..
The thing with bupe is it builds up (like was already said by TS) and even if you add more there really is no effect to be felt because of it still being there in the first place due to the long half-life.

(Sorry TS.. it seems that we have the same views and knowledge about certain things lol. You always beat me to the point i apologize like i did in the other thread if it seems like i am just saying what you say but adding a couple extra things. We think alike.. great minds haha.)

 

[BlazeBabyGurla]

edit:: it just somewhat kicked in; no euphoria at all though even though i had slight euphoric effects the first time i took it yesterday. but assuming i were to finish off the rest of it in the next couple days (i have like 7mgs left) would i still be able to get high off of it each time or would it just stop getting me high this quickly? I planned to take it tomorrow (Friday) in the morning and POSSIBLY again in the afternoon; and then finish the rest Saturday if I had any left; but I'm sure I won't. would i still be able to get high off of it those times or would i become "immune" to it that fast?
also, how bad are the withdrawals? I know they last longer than typical WDs do but are the withdrawals that terrible that I would need to try and taper with what I have left? I just ended benzo withdrawal after finally getting my script and going through anything even as close to as bad as that is the last thing I wanna go through. Especially because I've already missed enough work due to how bad my benzo withdrawals were and I absolutely cannot miss any more.

replies and answers that aren't too scientifical are appreciated!!

 

[The Doc.]

This is why bupe is given to heroin addicts after a while it builds up And they can't get high. Its actually encouraged to go to higher doses Since it has a ceiling point of 32 mgs anymore given after 32 mgs won't cause any more effect at all or respiratory depression unlike other drugs where it's easier to overdose. If somebody takes 16 mgs of bupe every 24 hours then they will never get high cause they never reach 36 hours to let the bupe clear their receptors fully but they won't be sick the bupe keeps a heroin addict free from dope sickness for 36 hours. Also remember not to do any other opiates before taking your sub's or you will precipitate withdrawals really fast making you deathly I'll in one second so wait at least 4 hours since you last snorted/smoked any opiate or 12 hours if you injected any opiates/taken them by mouth as long as you start to feel physically sick your be fine to take a sub.

 

[BlazeBabyGurla]

damnit. i didn't wanna wait 24 hours ugh lol.
but i do have one question, how will .5mgs even get me high? i was worried that would be way too small a dose.

 

[The Doc.]

Wait at least 36 hours then dose again. It would be best if you tapered the sub back down to nothing and then started dosing in micrograms instead of large amounts but you have a limited supply. Just wait till 36 hours has passed then I would do 2 mg doses you already took quite a bit and just raised your tolerance without even getting high ( sucks eh? All large doses do is raise your tolerance to opiate's and block any high) so if you dose in micrograms now you probably won't feel it as good as if you were clean and opiate naive.

 

[KillSurfCity]

when i started my suboxone treatment, it gave me a slight buzz the first two times. nothing even near oxymorphone, oxycodone, or H. it get's non-opiate addicts high as fuck, though.

i was doing a gram of H per day when i started my treatment. they put me on two 8mg strips per day (enough to kill someone without tolorence, i'm sure) but i am now down to 1mg per day (worked myself down. my doc doesn't know because i make a killing off the extra). i can skip mine for a day and take 40-50mg hydrocodone if i feel like it but i try to stay the hell away from the other stuff, now.

 

[HdoubleODeezy]

I went from 16mg sublingual a day when i was first on it in 2010 (been off it now for close to 2 years) then i tapered to 4mg insufflated then down to 2mg insufflated than i started micron filtering my subs and making vials with bacteriostatic water with 1mg/ml and would IV .25mg 2 times a day.. and after my body adjusted to it, i would get higher on the .25mg than any other dose i had previously been on.
but you have a limited supply so really, you're screwed on the low dose bupe thing unless you wait quite a while for your tolerance to go way down.
You dosed too high too quick.

I AM NOT ADVOCATING IVING IT LOL. JUST MY EXPERIENCE WITH IT (sorry, wanted to clarify that for harm reduction purposes)

 

[The Doc.]

.5 is equal to what 30 mgs of oxy its not small the reason small doses work better like I just said is cause it Leaves the receptors open to let more bupe in the next time you dose so you don't have to wait 36 hours to let them clear when you take huge doses. Also like h double deezy said it gives it a chance to all convert to nor-bupe which is what gives youthe high. Its complicated to explain here so look up nor-bupe on google . but with sub's if you take say 2 mgs and get high then most addict's would think hey 4 mgs will be twice as good this is not so with bupe the high will be the same after 2 mgs no matter how much you take. This takes a while for a addict to wrap their head around as your whole time using you always went by more equals better high but give it time you will understand bupe better do lots of research there's plenty of info on here

 

[The Doc.]

I went from 16mg sublingual a day when i was first on it in 2010 (been off it now for close to 2 years) then i tapered to 4mg insufflated then down to 2mg insufflated than i started micron filtering my subs and making vials with bacteriostatic water with 1mg/ml and would IV .25mg 2 times a day.. and after my body adjusted to it, i would get higher on the .25mg than any other dose i had previously been on.
but you have a limited supply so really, you're screwed on the low dose bupe thing unless you wait quite a while for your tolerance to go way down.
You dosed too high too quick.

I AM NOT ADVOCATING IVING IT LOL. JUST MY EXPERIENCE WITH IT (sorry, wanted to clarify that for harm reduction purposes)

If you want to get high off sub this is the best way. Lol did u learn this from captain heroin too

 

[HdoubleODeezy]

We started doing it around the same time lol.. He was able to go much lower than me though. But yeah he gave me the idea of it.