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  • BDD Moderators: Keif’ Richards

New to kratom

Crashing said:
I've ordered and used probably about 3000 pods in my time as well as kilos of kratom in various types. I've tried everything, i've made ridiculously strong poppy pod tea (to the point where i was actually worried I would stop breathing) and it felt like a gooey morphine overdose... a strange high, i've made wicked strong kratom tea and it feels much more like hydrocodone than the high achieved from poppy tea. The kratom pills and extracts have seriously inconsistent reports, and from what i've tried they were never that good - althought i'm sure there have been batches that were unusually strong as well as weak ones. Consistency is a big issue when using opiates, so if you're boiling down ounces of kratom leaf into tea, youll almost always get the same product... also you can really control the potency and it really isn't that expensive at all when bought in bulk. You could theoretically make the tea anywhere from light yellow to black if you wanted.

I still assert that, If you buy bali leaf in bulk and make strong tea, there's no better legal option. And if you think it sucks you probably made it too weak or didn't use a small amount of citric acid so the alkaloids probably weren't even extracted.. You can't just use 100% water.
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I've tried to make tea all sorts of ways; using the freezer to break down cell walls, using lemon juice, lime juice, using 20 grams or more and just never find it even close to as strong as putting it in capsules. I've had too much kratom in capsules to the point where i get eye wiggles, severe nausea and feel awful for hours, so i know my product is good.

i've yet to try bali, i have some sitting right here but haven't used it so maybe it will be the best kratom i've ever tried. I'm not doubting your experience, especially if you've used as much pods and kratom as you say, maybe i'm going wrong somewhere in my tea brewing but IME even poppy seed tea is just far stronger than kratom.

OP: you should try 6-8 grams on an empty stomach. Do not snort it.
 
Around 6 to 8 grams is a pretty standard dose. Kratom can be used to benefit a lot of people in a lot of ways, but be careful as I ended up benefiting myself with an ounce and a half a day. And there is withdrawal once I quit cold turkey. The withdrawal symptoms I got were diarrhea, depression (crying), uncomfortable , and some anxiety. Just be careful although if you use it properly it can work miracles.

Order the powder and you can toss and wash
 
In the US you can generally find them at health food stores or order them on those types of internet sites that have just about everything ;)

They range in size quite a bit and the most common are 0, 00 and 000 which hold about 300mg, 500mg and 800mg kratom respectively, depending on density of the product. It's still wise to weigh each though because kratom is so fluffy that oftentimes they can look full and contain only about 60% of what the capsule can hold. I typically prefer the biggest capsules possible for kratom so there are less to fill but some people don't like massive horse pills (which 000 are).

Search around for 'empty gel caps' with your desired size and so forth and you can unearth them easily.
 
Mix it in yogurt if you cannot find caps. It helps the taste and texture ALOT as long as u mix it all the way. And one cup of yogurt can get up to 10gs of Kratom in it.
 
Kind of a misleading statement. Im an experienced kratom user and it is by far less toxic then traditional opiates. Kratom withdrawals are very mild compared to a toxic semi synthetic opium derivitave. I've experienced both withdrawals so I've had that experience. Stay away from extracts and if you are that worried about addiction keep usage to every other day or two days a week. Kratom can be a powerful substance I agree but does not compare to the toxicity of pharmaceuticals. If you have to choose between the two pick kratom. It will have a positive impact instead of a negative.... Respect the herb and it will give you the same -peace
 
^ you really shouldn't extrapolate YOUR personal experience into general principles. That is called inductive reasoning and it's usually bad logic.

If someone uses proportionally small amounts of kratom then of course it won't be as detrimental as larger amounts of pharmaceutical opioids. It's more difficult to consume the quantities of kratom that are equivalent to potent opioids but in sufficient doses, kratom can actually be MORE detrimental due to the diversity of pharmacological activity involving noradrenergic reuptake inhibition and so forth.

It's rare that people are consuming enough kratom to cause problems on par with large pharmaceutical habits but that doesn't make it impossible and to claim the "toxicity" of kratom does not compare is simply false.

I will give you that it's always best to use substances that can produce physical dependence less frequently but telling people that it is safer or less toxic than pharmaceutical opioids, apart from being untrue, could potentially be dangerous.

I also think you were trying to respond to a particular post and clicked "reply" instead of "quote" which made it impossible to determine whose post specifically you were referring to. If you click "quote" in the future, it will make it easier to tell who you are referring to :)

(or you could point like I just did if they are right above you ;))
 
Hiltoniano said:
Mix it in yogurt if you cannot find caps. It helps the taste and texture ALOT as long as u mix it all the way. And one cup of yogurt can get up to 10gs of Kratom in it.
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QFT. I find a citrus flavoured yoghurt is best to mask the taste, lemon curd flavour is my current choice. Easy to get down and effective. 5g is my usual dose, keep it to once every few days and tolerance shouldn't be an issue.
 
So you're telling me that a semi synthetic substance like hydro oxy etc. has safer potential then a natural substance? Given that not all natural substances are safe. It's kind of a rediculous thing to say lol if you account the number of overdoses the pharmaceutical industry has caused. It seems like each knew day I hear of someone overdosing on methadone. I'm gonna give youthe benefit of the doubt and say you know what you're talking about and you aren't just arguing for argument sake. The dangers of using plain kratom or plain powdered kratom is significantly less then that of a pharmaceutical. Obviously you can infer this not only with scientific evaluations but statistics on deaths on pharmaceuticals and deaths on kratom. I believe the only deaths linked to kratom were from a dirty blend of tramadol which is a very dangerous substance obviously. Your argument of kratoms adergenic properties made no sense and I ask you to elaborate further on it dangers. I'm guessing you mean the stimulation can cause heart problems?? Just simply outing kratoms adergenic properties proves nothing. Now, that being said I think all natural plants should be respected and kratom is definitely one of those. :) thanks for your reply and feel free to elaborate on how kratom is more toxic then semi synthetic opiates :)
 
I still find it so interesting how drugs affect everybody differently. I tried kratom one time (no opiate tolerance and I took alot of proven hi-quality) and I felt absolutely NOTHING. I wish it felt like hydro :(
 
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