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New RCs in the UK Ver. 4: Still disappointed?

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OD-T was great, did the gram in a week, started really low and careful, with 20 mgs doses every two hours the first day, ended up doing over 100 mgs, then added Kratom which brought some severe euphoria.

I then made some 40gs capsules and took them every day, they ended up lasting me pretty much a week, taking one right after waking up and then redosing at will throughout the day, it has a strong stimulating edge which I find really useful, also it doesn't have any foggyness and keeps you really alert, didn't have a problem working at the office as well.

After work I would take a last capsule and carefully dose kratom(much much less than I usually take and not all at once), getting good euphoria and even nodding out. It goes well with a couple of beers too.

The morning that I run out I started yawning at the office and getting chills, so I drove home during lunch break to eat a few spoonfulls of kratom, which made me feel good again. So be careful with the daily dosing, avoid it if possible, as it will definately cause WDs.

Take care
 
Is sleep possible on this stuff [ODT]? I keep meaning to try this but get sidetracked with etizolam,but then again if i've got some etiz,no worries.

I find kratom leaves me with a kind of residual stimulation and i cannot sleep on it. It's my only gripe with kratom,like i've drunk ten espressos.
 
@Kenny, glad you enjoyed the stuff, how does Kratom compare to o-dt? I've never tried it but I'm interested. Is it as clear-headed and perky?

The only thing I'm not keen on about o-dt is the "sweetness", did you notice it? Even my usual plugged doses leaves me with a slightly sweet taste or "suggestion" of taste, it almost pervades the body.

I'm slightly concerned about w/ds as I've been taking o-dt every other day for about three months now, sometimes two days on then one day off. Time flies! But when I do have a couple of days off, I don't notice anything.

Actually, thinking about w/ds, I didn't have any o-dt last night, but had quite a bit on Monday and some on Sunday. Last night just as I was falling asleep I was frightened back awake again by the noise of a load of kids laughing at me! It happened twice. It actually made me think of DMT elves, or the Salvia "cosmic joke". I find this stuff really dose do weird things to sleep. I get white noise "booms" as I drift off too, scaring me awake.

Scrooloose - you can sleep towards the tail end, it's initially stimulating. I dose early in the evening (7ish) and I can get to sleep about midnight, but then get this white noise stuff or people laughing at me. It was harder to sleep with my first few times, though, my body seems to have got used to a bit.
 
Haven't kept an eye on the RC scene for a while, any news on anything mimicking cocaine yet? I heard of some stuff called WR1 a while ago, but couldn't find a vendor anywhere so think its just a load of bollox.
 
@knockando I thought my stuff was adulterated with glucose to be honest, very strong sweetness indeed.

Well the thing with Kratom is that you have to be lucky with supplier and strain as there's a ton of garbage out there that's pretty useless, everything they sell in head shop, for instance tends to be crap, as are most of the resin extracts.

If you want to give it a try I'd say go for Green Riau, it's an Indo strain, widely available from UK-based suppliers, also the Super Sunda is very nice as well, Thai Kratom tends to have a more stimulating edge also.

It leaves me mentally more foggy than OD-T, overall fairly similar though, Kratom is probably healthier for regular use though, I literally spent thousands on it, but i feel it enhances my life, not like proper opiates that would become my life.
 
Cheers Knock. Early dosing seems the way to go with ODT then. With tramadol regular there is also sleep issues

Sounds like a great work day enhancer. Definitely on my to do list.

Kenny, [our regular kratom connoiseur], i'm also gonna look into those strains you mention. I usually go for 'bali' although i read somewhere that it isn't even produced in Bali. I've had batches of this that seem to vary in effects [same vendor]. One batch i had almost mimicked being drunk,but in a more euphoric way very nice. Tried the maeng da,nice bit overrated and kept me up most of the night. Also tried some of the resins,one in particular was bunk,but a couple off other differenet vendors hit the spot.The UEI i used to get from a certain vendor was probably the strongest i've tried so far.I tend to avoid extracts now though.

The ones you mention i've never heard of and will also make enquiries,thanks.
 
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Anyone have any experiences with combining MPA & 6-APB? Seems the general general consensus with 6-APB is that it's a bit mongy in the head, so was hoping the MPA would kick-start this a bit.

Also, has anyone tried smoking MPA through a pipe? I assume it would be the same technique as vapeing DMT, but do you also have to hold it in for as long as you can?

Cheers :)
 
To be honest, the longer you hold it in, the more you'll absorb into your bloodstream. The problem comes when it's quite irritating to the lungs, so holding it in requires quite an effort (like DMT or hash smoke). Don't know how irritating MPA smoke is as I feel using that route with a stim would ruin it for me v(I know of two people who feel that smoking MDPV ruined it for them as no other ROA feels the same). Same reasoning behind the fact I've never IVed anything
 
I had,starting Saturday morning a big B2 binge consuming it all in under 24 hours. I feel ashamed i consumed this amount and would rather not say how much. However,i have noted zero negative side effects apart from feeling a bit lousy through lack of sleep,virtually no comedown to speak of. It feels rather benign compared to other shit going around,particularly those known as 'bath salts', although nobody knows what B2 actually is,but it is NOT mephedrone. I caned enough of that in the past. My only problem with this is porn,it drags me back like a magnet. I tried the "hey yer great and i love you all shit",but kept sneaking away to 'horny housewives vol 2', 'humpin plumpers' and all my other fat ass collection.

Obviously,i am no scientist................i don't really know what i'm trying to say apart from pure speculation,it feels safer than other crap going around though not really cost effective

I still do not believe Mephedrone is the great satan it was made out to be,despite the fact my use was problematic,as was many others. Was there any truhtful and accurate information that mephedrone alone killed anyone? Those two unfortunate lads that died just before the ban had taken METHADONE a couple of the gutter press at a much later date did infact,from memory,print a very small report that it was indeed METHADONE combined with alcohol that robbed those lads of their lives.
 
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Make that 4, I'll never go near it again. It was pyschosis enducing enough sniffing it for a week. Chasing I was going through ludicrous amounts at once and it took weeks to recover mentally and physically. It stinks aswell.
 
scrooloose said:
I had,starting Saturday morning a big B2 binge consuming it all in under 24 hours. I feel ashamed i consumed this amount and would rather not say how much. However,i have noted zero negative side effects apart from feeling a bit lousy through lack of sleep,virtually no comedown to speak of. It feels rather benign compared to other shit going around,particularly those known as 'bath salts', although nobody knows what B2 actually is,but it is NOT mephedrone. I caned enough of that in the past. My only problem with this is porn,it drags me back like a magnet. I tried the "hey yer great and i love you all shit",but kept sneaking away to 'horny housewives vol 2', 'humpin plumpers' and all my other fat ass collection.

Obviously,i am no scientist................i don't really know what i'm trying to say apart from pure speculation,it feels safer than other crap going around though not really cost effective

I still do not believe Mephedrone is the great satan it was made out to be,despite the fact my use was problematic,as was many others. Was there any truhtful and accurate information that mephedrone alone killed anyone? Those two unfortunate lads that died just before the ban had taken METHADONE a couple of the gutter press at a much later date did infact,from memory,print a very small report that it was indeed METHADONE combined with alcohol that robbed those lads of their lives.
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Nice post. I'm not sure that B2 is a fixed chemical, it may vary between sources, but the stuff I have is to all intents and purposes interchangable with 4-mec - and like you I can have an all night binge on it without any adverse effects the next day. The porn-doggery is alarming but it seems to go with the territory for many stims. In the grey light of dawn no one like to think they spent so long hunting down that last elusive bit of climatic porn, whatever happened to creativity, art and poetry?

I also agree that mephedrone wasn't all bad. if you work out the number of people taking it and the huge quantities that were consumed in binges (some recorded within this site) it was actually pretty benign. I think that the total number of reported (as opposed to proven) deaths was less than 12, so do the maths, safer than cigarettes and alcohol for sure.
 
^ Don't be so sure!

The health problems resulting from mephedrone's cardiotoxicity (valve deterioration etc.) will not be noticed in users for many years to come.
You can't compare it's "safety" to cigarettes & alcohol when none of it's long term damage has been experienced by users yet. Give it another 20-30 years before commenting on the "safety" of mephedrone.
 
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^ Don't be so sure!

The health problems resulting from mephedrone's cardiotoxicity (valve deterioration etc.) will not be noticed in users for many years to come.
You can't compare it's "safety" to cigarettes & alcohol when none of it's long term damage has been experienced by users yet. Give it another 20-30 years before commenting on the "safety" of mephedrone.
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Very, very true. We've seen similar things happen with cocaine years after the user has supposedly been clean, so to judge meph deaths / health problems at such an early stage is far too hasty.

Remember, we're still only beginning to understand the implications of long-term MDMA use, and that's been far more thoroughly researched.
 
Acid4Blood said:
^ Don't be so sure!

The health problems resulting from mephedrone's cardiotoxicity (valve deterioration etc.) will not be noticed in users for many years to come.
You can't compare it's "safety" to cigarettes & alcohol when none of it's long term damage has been experienced by users yet. Give it another 20-30 years before commenting on the "safety" of mephedrone.
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I'm no expert in such things but i try to keep up with the reasearch and from what i have gathered it often takes 20-40 years of continual cigarette smoking until it starts to destroy the bodies of at least 50 % of users until they can no longer defend against cancer, heart disease and suffer horrible premature deaths. However it has also been proven that 5 years after quitting cigarettes your body can repair itself to a huge extent, cutting the risk of lung cancer by 50 %, heart disease and strokes by even more, provided the damage hasnt already been done. I doubt if anyone would survive 40 years of using mephedrone or other stimulants continuously (except maybe for the likes of Lemmy from Motorhead !). This is speculation now but I guess many people go through much shorter term phases of use with these stimulants. My guess and hope is that a couple of years of caining these things would not knock too much off your lifespan, but i strongly suspect that any long term use would be bound to be asking for serious trouble, unless you have the constitution of a 'Rock Legend'.
 
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