New RCs Available in the UK

[GZero]

This is another reason we need more open discussion.

Yes, the 5-IAI is coming, I was offered 250g

However I'm told by somebody who would know that it's a VERY potent MAOI. We're talking russian roulette if it's given to the mephedrone kiddies.

 

[Shambles]

Potent MAOI + ignorance = dead people. That would not be good. I've not read through the ADD thread on it properly yet but there seemed to be some considerable excitement from a very brief skim. Is the MAOI thing confirmed? If it is then it's great it came out before the stuff hits the street. MAOI is not a bad thing. As long as you are extremely careful and follow the guidelines. Does mean cutting back on cheese for a bit though

 

[MeDieViL]

you are just being lazy.
The retail RC market means that something is available for a short while before idiotic people and the media go crazy and the stuff gets banned, and once it is banned the availability drops to nothing.

the current situation is like slash and burn farming in the rainforest, a compound is grabbed from wikipedia pushed onto the more ignorant users , banned leaving behind nothing but scorched earth and dust. The vendors then move on to the next compound, repeat ad infinitum

AMT will be one of the next ones to go in the UK

I have to disagree with that statement, there are customers all over the world, i disagree that a local UK ban would have any effect on availabilty except a few UK vendors.

 

[MeDieViL]

This is another reason we need more open discussion.

Yes, the 5-IAI is coming, I was offered 250g

However I'm told by somebody who would know that it's a VERY potent MAOI. We're talking russian roulette if it's given to the mephedrone kiddies.

Its not a MAOI as far as i'm aware.

 

[GZero]

Shambles: Thats what I'm trying to ascertain. I too was very disappointed when I heard. Such potential I thought...

I've created a new thread, people's input would be much appreciated and I'd imagine that seeing as the volcanic monkey is now off our back, there are going to be quite a few people googling Dosage information over the next few days.

It's yet another being pushed to Plant Food shop operators as safe Meph 2.0 and there is literally no practical information online, anybody who knows anything would do well to make it known.

 

[fastandbulbous]

AMT will be one of the next ones to go in the UK

Nah it escaped the 1977 'cover all' modification order and as it's not as prevalent as it used to be (we're about the only country where it is legal) I don't think it'll ever really appear on the radar

 

[captain codshit]

I have to disagree with that statement, there are customers all over the world, i disagree that a local UK ban would have any effect on availabilty except a few UK vendors.

Yeah, the ban itself is unlikely to effect the availability of any of these drugs. There is still plenty of mephedrone available here anyway. Although some idiots locally have been bashing it with creatine I heard.

What is more likely to have an effect is if the Chinese labs decide to produce less of the chems that have been banned and move onto new things. Sooner or later that will effect supply.

 

[Shambles]

Nah it escaped the 1977 'cover all' modification order and as it's not as prevalent as it used to be (we're about the only country where it is legal) I don't think it'll ever really appear on the radar

Those vendors who flooded the country with meph are saying they intend to do the same thing with AMT which is why those of use who love it are getting a bit concerned for its wellbeing. Hopefully it won't take off like meph did cos it really is a very different animal.

 

[Skyline_GTR]

^yeh i suspect the duration would put off some people, not that I've tried it myself but I'm intrigued to get hold of some now..

Daft thing is, if it did take off like mephedrone with a crazy explosion of mainstream usage throughout the land, it would probably have a positive effect on society to some extent in terms of loads of people walking round super happy and friendly on the weekend, so violence associated with alcohol might drop noticably.

But the government wouldn't take a blind bit of notice, even if the ACMD picked up on that aspect and rated it as very low harm or even no harm, they just see it as if it alters your state of mind it must be bad, and with a bit of tabloid pressure the ban hammer drops :/

 

[Ceres]

I have to disagree with that statement, there are customers all over the world, i disagree that a local UK ban would have any effect on availabilty except a few UK vendors.

The UK doesn't exist in a legal vacuum. The EU and the UN might be less prone to kneejerk responses, with all their wild and crazy ideas about actually investigatin, debating and voting on things before changing the law, but they aren't blind.

Monitoring new substances entering Europe’s illicit drug market was the focus of talks today between the Directors of the EU drugs agency (EMCDDA) and the European law enforcement agency (Europol). Meeting at the EMCDDA in Lisbon this afternoon, Wolfgang Götz (EMCDDA) and Rob Wainwright (Europol) endorsed two joint reports providing the latest update on new substances in Europe. The reports, one of which focuses on mephedrone, will be formally submitted this week to the European institutions and EU Member States before being released to the public in the coming weeks.

 

[Ceres]

Daft thing is, if it did take off like mephedrone with a crazy explosion of mainstream usage throughout the land, it would probably have a positive effect on society to some extent in terms of loads of people walking round super happy and friendly on the weekend, so violence associated with alcohol might drop noticably.

MDMA didn't wipe out alcohol related violence, and the type of people who drink to excess and get violent in city centers every weekend are not going to be safe with a drug like amt anyway.

Leaving mephedrone around until the novelty for the masses wore off would have been a far safer option than what's happening now as a result of the ban.

 

[khatman]

I would be surprised if aMT took off like mephedrone for popularity.
It is such a long lasting drug that a lot would not have time to do it. I found on it's own it made me very tired and it gave me no energy which I craved with it.
Each to their own though.

Just wanted to slip in here that I had a very bad experience recently with Ivory Wave which involved me hearing and seeing lots of scary things, police were called, Dr's etc. Pretty freaked out for a few days.
My first bad drug experience.

The shop I bought it from (500mg) told me it was the closest thing to meph which I was asking for. They had no meph. I was out of town and could not do my research. Just a warning that is it potent stuff, I only did 50mg before I was halucinating and freaking out.

 

[Skyline_GTR]

^yes indeed.. (edit: in response to Ceres' post)

re: violence, never said it would wipe it out but maybe impact a noticable reduction, but on the subject of MDMA wasn't there a reduction in football related violence in the so called summer of love in 1988 due to MDMA going mainstream and all the hooligans taking it? It may be an old wives tale, I was only 10 at the time so don't know first hand.

 

[Ceres]

^yes indeed.. (edit: in response to Ceres' post)

re: violence, never said it would wipe it out but maybe impact a noticable reduction, but on the subject of MDMA wasn't there a reduction in football related violence in the so called summer of love in 1988 due to MDMA going mainstream and all the hooligans taking it? It may be an old wives tale, I was only 10 at the time so don't know first hand.

You would've been a year older than me so I don't know either :D but yeah that's what I was always led to believe. That was a way less potent drug though and it's easier to eyeball a dose when it's just a matter of counting pills....

 

[StoneHappyMonday]

The football violence reduction thing is true and documented. A lot of it had to do with it being the ICF who were dealing it apparently.

Can't see AMT catching on in any mass way because of its duration. However, that doesn't mean I don't think idiot vendors will try. And that's scary. You think the meph craziness was bad? You really don't want AMT to catch on.

 

[captain codshit]

AMT is never going to take off like meph did. Most of the people who did meph were using it as they no longer had access to pills or coke that was worthwhile taking. They liked the euphoric dunt and it being similar to having a few pills in a night.

Alot of people who enjoy pills/coke etc and do them every weekend would not be into the idea of tripping regularly. And being fucked off one dose for so long. Alot of people I know liked meph because they could still have their fun and get some sleep. I just can't see it taking off like that at all.

 

[Coolio]

Can't see AMT catching on in any mass way because of its duration. However, that doesn't mean I don't think idiot vendors will try. And that's scary. You think the meph craziness was bad? You really don't want AMT to catch on.

Why not? AMT is like LSD but better. The impact it would have on society if it went mainstream would probably be positive.

 

[GZero]

Man.

I really do see the potential problems, but I am DYING to try AMT. I can't say I won't be one of the first to snap it up the MOMENT I see grams on offer...

 

[Bella Figura]

Its always been available though, it just doesn't need mass production/marketing.

I don't think it'll catch on like all the stimulants did, your average joe doesn't want to trip for hours and hours. Won't stop fuck ups happening though.

 

[Ceres]

The football violence reduction thing is true and documented. A lot of it had to do with it being the ICF who were dealing it apparently.

Can't see AMT catching on in any mass way because of its duration. However, that doesn't mean I don't think idiot vendors will try. And that's scary. You think the meph craziness was bad? You really don't want AMT to catch on.

Fuck, I just realised that my source of amt was (note the past tense) the vendor behind the bromofly thing. The lab that supplied him could still be operating, I have no idea.... but the thought of a replay of that incident happening on a much bigger scale is pretty scary.