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Gave aMT a comprehensive "assessment" this weekend, after an initial dabble at a festival last year. Surprised me with its potency even though I was aware of the dose ranges. I expected 30mg to be relatively pedestrian given my high tolerance to seretonergics, but 30mg actually gave me an intense body high that seemed similar to the MDMA & 2C combination. It mixes well with amphetamine, but it's obviously not advisable to combine such aggressive stimulants. The amphetamine returned focus and clarity to a trip that became, at some points, quite confusing and dream-state inducing.

Combination with conservative doses of Mephedrone also seemed OK, though the doses were significantly spaced apart. I must note, however, that not everybody in the group reacted well to the introduction of aMT mid-session. One person, after only 20-25mg, experienced very pronounced hallucinogenic effects (head-trips, zoning out, uncomfortable confusion), and also a lot of physical discomfort and a tremor, which lasted a LONG time due to the duration. Also this combination caused more body temperature instability compared to either alone.

aMT seems to be a potent serotonin releaser and/or uptake inhibitor, and people speculate about a mild MAO inhibition action too, which would make sense of its role as a very effective potentiator, though I'd love to know by what mechanism it also works to potentiate some dissociatives.

Small doses of etizolam taken every 6 hours or so brought a lot of relief to the body load, and seem to marry well, not dulling the experience in any noticeable way. Visuals seem to ramp up over time and increase massively with doses in the 60-100mg range, though that isn't recommended as a starting dose in my view. Re-dosing with larger amounts seems fairly safe if aMT is the only drug in the system, and dosing low first and progressing to larger doses later makes the step up to more intense effects more manageable, and less nauseating.

Small amount of stomach discomfort at the 1 hour - 1.5 hour mark, but passes quickly enough that it isn't too bothersome in my case. Nausea seems basically non-present after the first dose.

Cool drug :)
 
Agreed. Nice summary, Dioxy :)

gayorstraight said:
I can't decide! Shambles, don't you prefer 6-apb though?
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If I absolutely had to choose one or t'other... I would struggle as both have their uses and individual benefits. All comes down to set and setting - as ever - really. YMMV, as they say.

In short, 6-APB is nearer to straight MDMA in terms of duration and effects. aMT - as noted by Dioxy - can be a somewhat trickier beast to master. I'd recommend sampling either/both at home inna controlled setting - and with no other drugs involved - before making the decision, for preference.

Dioxy said:
aMT seems to be a potent serotonin releaser and/or uptake inhibitor, and people speculate about a mild MAO inhibition action too, which would make sense of its role as a very effective potentiator, though I'd love to know by what mechanism it also works to potentiate some dissociatives.
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Some Google Scholar articles here which may or may not be of use to you. aMT definitely has some mechanism of action that potentiates the living shit outta serotonegics and - to a lesser extent - dopiminergics. Have not noticed such an effect with NMDA or GABA stuffz myself. aMT in combination with ket is significantly less enjoyable - or even very effective - when combined with ket for me compared with MDMA, for example. Have also combined aMT with LSD and MDMA (both separately and together) in the past and noticed dramatic potentiation but not to scary levels. My doses were low for the additions in each case though.
 
i feel aMT doses starting at 10mg... i couldnt imagine going to 30 from the start. but im kinda sensitive perhaps....
also to me aMT was always more of a trip than a roll....


heard good things about 6apdb. what do you guys think?
 
Mailmonkey said:
I've got some here. Cos it sounds ACE.

Not sure when I'll take it though.

That nitracaine on the other hand.....hmmmmmm.
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I am in the same position as you. I weigh 120Kg so, from the sparse reports, I'm thinking that after the allergy test, I'm going to go for 150mg... if you do the same for YOUR body weight... After all, you should know better than me ;-)
 
clubcard said:
I am in the same position as you. I weigh 120Kg so, from the sparse reports, I'm thinking that after the allergy test, I'm going to go for 150mg... if you do the same for YOUR body weight... After all, you should know better than me ;-)
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Personally I would aim a bit lower. The APDB compounds seem a bit more potent than their analogues, and although I expect them to scale a bit more with weight because of the increased lipophilicity, I don't think it will be quite as drastic as this. 100-120 would probably be just fine. If you take too little then the worst case scenario is you're a bit disappointed, but if you take too much then you can't un-dose!
 
Shambles said:
Agreed. Nice summary, Dioxy :)
aMT definitely has some mechanism of action that potentiates the living shit outta serotonegics and - to a lesser extent - dopiminergics.
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Thanks! And cheers for the link. The reports I've seen on disso potentiation have been mainly referring to MXE, in fact, which would make sense from a dopaminergic point of view, though I don't think that it would suggest a potentiation of the dissociative aspect of it. Does dopamine have a point of view?

I have also combined aMT with MDMA (in much lower MDMA doses than usual) and noticed significant and very pleasant potentiation. Wouldn't want to push that one too far, mind.
 
First time I sampled aMT I combined with (fairly small amounts of) MDMA and LSD and was beyond blissful. Was fukkin incredible actually. Hadn't really read up enough on aMT to know that could've turned out nasty but does seem to be combined with MDMA fairly often with no obvious problems. You really do need to be careful with dosing though. And probably isn't too clever even then. But blimey it is lush <3

In other aMT news, have sampled this freebase I got cheap a coupla times now and am slightly disappointed. It just seems a bit weak to me. Is nice but you do seem to need a lot more to get to the nice bit than I did with freebase I've had before. Few folks have mentioned recent batches of aMT sourced from UK vendors has been a bit limp and I think I'd have to concur. Is still great... just a bit weak is all. But at £30/g I'm not complaining too loudly =D
 
Still need to try my aMT, 5 day weekend coming up soon, gonna have to give it a bash then

surprised 150mg was just OK
 
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