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New (or relatively new) RCs - Feels somewhere inbetween

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knock said:
Clonidine sounds like it would be the best treatment but I can't see how to get hold of it without a prescription and at this stage I don't want to go to my doctor for help with opioid dependency.
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It's a pretty essential drug in my home pharmacy ;)

Available easily enough (and cheap!) if you know where to look.
 
I have never taken that AH7921 you speak of Knockando, however it's weird kratom didn't help at all.

When I was living in NY and went silly with oxy, kratom was a life saver, it completely eliminated WDs, to the point of actually giving me a buzz.

How much kratom are you taking? Maybe it's dose related, even after an OC80 daily for a few months, a few table spoons of decent kratom would eliminate all bad symptoms within an hour after ingestion.

Kratom WDs are bad too, you do need to take it daily for ages before you get them though, when I first started taking it back in 2007, I could use daily for six months and quit no problem, it's only after years of use that I started getting proper WDs from it.
 
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I have never taken that AH7921 you speak of Knockando, however it's weird kratom didn't help at all.

When I was living in NY and went silly with oxy, kratom was a life saver, it completely eliminated WDs, to the point of actually giving me a buzz.

How much kratom are you taking? Maybe it's dose related, even after an OC80 daily for a few months, a few table spoons of decent kratom would eliminate all bad symptoms within an hour after ingestion.
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Not that much. Normal dose = 5g, which is one heaped teaspoon. I've been taking that near enough daily for a few months. It doesn't give me a buzz any more, but I thought it might help with the AH withdrawals. I will try a larger dose. I reckon I'd get a buzz off 10g.
Kratom WDs are bad too, you do need to take it daily for ages before you get them though, when I first started taking it back in 2007, I could use daily for six months and quit no problem, it's only after years of use that I started getting proper WDs from it.
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Avoiding kratom wds is why I've kept my dose so low. But maybe I've been over-cautious. On the other hand, it's not the cheapest thing in the world if you're shovelling it down your throat ;)
 
^Fuck me five grams, I'm amazed you manage to feel anything at all at that level.

I usually do around an ounce daily, throughout the years it cost me a fortune, just last year I have analyzed my PayPal expenses and calculated that I must have spent over three grand on kratom the past few years, luckily the past six months I was in Australia where I couldn't get deliveries. Since I came back I already spent like 300 euros on it. I need to stop really. Thing is it's the best for social-anxiety and boredom. Also need it for stim comedowns, I need to stop using daily and go back to only take it when coming down on uppers or to enhance dissociatives.
 
knock said:
I intend to combat them with methoxetamine
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MXE and all the other ACH's do wonders for opioid wd's.

And it strongly depends which kratom you use. When taking Red Riau i've to take 4 - 4,5gs to get some effects, with white veined Sumatra i only need 3 - 3,5 gs for a decent buzz.
 
THCified said:
MXE and all the other ACH's do wonders for opioid wd's.
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They're also good fucking fun. I had some MXE on Saturday night, best experience I've had for a long time, utterly, dare I say it, shamanic %) I liked it so much I squirted another 50mg up my ring when it was over, something I can't remember ever doing. Unfortunately my tolerance must have bounced back up because it didn't do anything :(
And it strongly depends which kratom you use. When taking Red Riau i've to take 4 - 4,5gs to get some effects, with white veined Sumatra i only need 3 - 3,5 gs for a decent buzz.
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Yeah I've been through various kinds. But I can never remember what one I've got because I decant them it into a jar and throw away the pack :| I could look up my online order history but it's too much effort right this minute ;)

Anyway, 10g of "something" kratom is going down my throat now, then I'll be ordering some clonidine (looking harder works! :D) and I've got my MXE sitting by ready for action.

Thanks for everyone's advice and assistance :D I've paid for it in smilies though ;)
 
My new favourite kratom is green Riau, quite decent effect, although classic Bali is the best bang for your buck. I think throughout the years I tried pretty much everything on the market, there are some pretty potent strains out there, however for daily use they're way too expensive, Super Sunda is one, onl need like a small teaspoon to feel it, but it's prohibitive for regular use, more of a treat like
 
Yes, the ACH's are so damn lovely. Way too lovely if you ask me, especially if you "learned" to appreciate it in lowish doses... F*!k..., let's talk about something else ;)

You should really try to get some WVS, it's really good and i think from all the strains i've tried, it's my favorite. I never forget the day when i had zero tolerance to this class of compounds, downed 3gs and went to work... Hell was i blazed!

Today i think i wouldn't even get such an intense buzz off of 10gs, but who knows, never really tested it out =D!
 
I've definitely tried the WVS, I seem to remember thinking it was pretty good! I worked up the energy to check my order history, I've got RVS at the moment, before that I had RVT, before that I had GR and WVS. I'm a bit kratom fickle...
 
Lucky to get a tester sample of a new RC compound which will eventually make an appearance.

2 Orange tabs - 60mg of unnamed RC.

Dropped both around 7.30pm (120mg), tasted dreadfully bitter. One got stuck in my throat (ugh!). Took a couple of hours to really become noticeable (I'd eaten a light dinner 30mins before). Pretty mellowish with an APB-like feel (mashy head). Raised temp, bit sweaty, dilated pupes, tingles/chills, bruxism, and some vaso. Not highly stimmy, but less mongy than other APBs (if this is an APB variant).

In a niceish place, atm - listening to Kerri Chandler :D

Overall, the 120mg is a bit too mellow for me (need moar!). Don't want to mix, as need to get a clear insight into this RC.

ABE: and two new RCs appeared today...

Methoxypiperamide (MEXP)
Mephtetramine (MTA)
 
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^ Can't find anything on those 2 that isn't coming from a vendor (same ones)..

Got any other information on them?
 
MEXP will likely be orally inactive due to its amide bond. The piperazines were left in the dust because they were average at best and horrible at worst. I don't hold high hopes.


I hate the abbreviation of Mephtetramine as MTA already designates a different drug called 4-Methylthioamphetamine. Is there a better abbreviation from 2-((methylamino)methyl)-3,4-dihydronaphthalen-1(2H)-one. MMNO? It is deserving of something new as it appears to merge amphetamine-like moieties and methylphenidate-like moieties into a new half-hearted compromise.

Perhaps MTTA from Mephtetramine?

Edit: HOORAY! The vendor has changed the abbreviation to MTTA.
 
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And that right there is a prime example of why it's a terrible name.

Mephtetramine (MTTA/MMNO) is NOT similar to (para-Methoxyamphetamine) PMA.

Methylthioamphetamine (MTA) is similar to PMA
 
Unimpressed with sts-135, I would take the AKB range over it anyday.

I smoked 500mg in two days (8o) with an average tolerance (although this was a new drug to me).

The source is excellent, so I feel this is just a bit weaker to it's close cousins.

I haven't tried any of the really new ones...anyone?

I had a nice blast (quite literally!) from the past and enjoyed some Black Mamba Ultra yesterday and today:D

@ Knock...sorry to hear of your withdrawals oh ye great-ring-master, I liked your honesty with saying how you relapsed and then even consider buying more!
Good lad! Opioids are strange init? I had my last dose some 2 weeks ago now but have gone through hellish wds with around 50 doses of something next to me the whole time that would have instantly cured me.

Well I can only put it down to having other things to focus on eg. having a kid in 4 weeks plus ALL THE OTHER SHIT THAT IS BEING LAME AT THE MOMENT! Not to mention...my growing benzo habit, ongoing alcoholism and reborn stoner syndrome! Damn wds! Anyways hope it goes OK for you Knock mate.

As you were BL
 
Thanks backroll! I'm sure having a kid is the kind of motivation that can get you doing pretty much anything you're capable of. Keep at it, and careful with those other things ;)

Had another sweaty night last night. It also makes it damn near impossible to get up in the morning. So I didn't, I got up at 5pm today :\ Giving phenibut a shot to see if I can get a decent night's kip, my other medicines won't be here for a while yet.
 
Got some "crystal" ethylphenidate from my usual source and it's got traces and lumps of yellow stuff in it. It's normally completely white/colourless. The crystals are more like powder.

What's that about then?
 
cyanide, they're trying to off you ;)

Does sound strange though, im not sure what ethlphenidate does to spoons but after having a massive kg bag of meph (years ago when it was legal) with a spoon in it for a month the spoon was mostly in the bag when I took it out if you know what I mean, corroded to fuck. Maybe they left some spoon in the ethylphen bag and it made it into your batch
 
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