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HarleyRider44

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I am 27 years old I ran my first cycle May-july 2012. My cycle was test e 250mg twice a week x10weeks adex.5mg eod weeks 8-10 (did not know I needed to run ai thru pct). 2 weeks after last pin I ran nolva 40/40/20/20. Back in november started having a hard time keeping it up. After having sex once it was useless for about a day. I got BW done but only got estro totals did not know about e2 at the time and everything was ok so I was referred to an endo. After some research I requested these test and there were my results..

2/9-
Testosterone Total- 694.6
Testosterone Serum- 743 (before cycle my test was high 800's)
Prolactin- 6.2
FSH- 1.9 (normal is 1.4-18.1), low end of normal, should i be concerned?
LH- 7.7
T-4 Free- 1.4
Estradiol- 67.5 (normal is 11.6-41.2)

I began my adex that day at .25mg eod until about a week ago when I started having libido issues again so I figured my e2 was to low. I have been losing weight and some muscle because of dieting but not much. Since discontinuing the adex Tuesday-friday I felt like I was normal, high drive, had sex often, like i used to be but yesterday I woke up with weak wood no drive don't get hard watching porn yada yada...Would my e2 shift that fast? Should I use aromasin at this point verses adex? Should I try a pct again since my test levels have dropped significantly?

Current BW...
FSH- 1.7 (1.4-18.1)
LH-6 (1.5-9.3)
Prolactin- 6.4 (2.1-17.7)
E2- 19.4 (11.6-41.2) this is low for me
Test Serum 508 (348-1197)
Free Test- .7 (normal is 9.3-26.5)

I'm pretty concerned and just wanted to get back to normal. It pretty embarrassing when my girl is trying to get me hard and I get a halfer. Plus she is talking about having another kid...not sure if I am to messed up...
 
That total test is super high (at least from my experience). After my first cycle it went to 420 post PCT, a year later post PCT 348. I had it checked a few months ago and it's in the higher 400s. I don't see your problem but that's what Guido is for.

Anyway - I think you're entire problem rests on not running clomid with your PCT. This was my mistake my first three cycles (nolva only) and what probably led to my low test count. I ran a cycle last Summer and finally included clomid into my PCT. 5 weeks. 100/50/50/50/50 everyday. The recovery was leaps and bounds better than my last three (and I held onto more, didn't feel depressed). I would run a 5 week cycle of clomid and check in again. I actually had so much clomid sitting around that I recently used it for an additional 5-6 weeks just for kicks (3 months after PCT). Try it out.
 
I was debating on doing that since my FSH was low but wont this raise my e levels? I seem to having some rebound occuring again should i switch to aromasin also? My total T is within range but my free t is vitually non-existant..thats my concern I guess my dr thinks its an error and i had to get more BW and will get results friday
 
HarleyRider44 said:
I am 27 years old I ran my first cycle May-july 2012. My cycle was test e 250mg twice a week x10weeks adex.5mg eod weeks 8-10 (did not know I needed to run ai thru pct). 2 weeks after last pin I ran nolva 40/40/20/20. Back in november started having a hard time keeping it up. After having sex once it was useless for about a day. I got BW done but only got estro totals did not know about e2 at the time and everything was ok so I was referred to an endo. After some research I requested these test and there were my results..

2/9-
Testosterone Total- 694.6
Testosterone Serum- 743 (before cycle my test was high 800's)
Prolactin- 6.2
FSH- 1.9 (normal is 1.4-18.1), low end of normal, should i be concerned?
LH- 7.7
T-4 Free- 1.4
Estradiol- 67.5 (normal is 11.6-41.2)

I began my adex that day at .25mg eod until about a week ago when I started having libido issues again so I figured my e2 was to low. I have been losing weight and some muscle because of dieting but not much. Since discontinuing the adex Tuesday-friday I felt like I was normal, high drive, had sex often, like i used to be but yesterday I woke up with weak wood no drive don't get hard watching porn yada yada...Would my e2 shift that fast? Should I use aromasin at this point verses adex? Should I try a pct again since my test levels have dropped significantly?

Current BW...
FSH- 1.7 (1.4-18.1)
LH-6 (1.5-9.3)
Prolactin- 6.4 (2.1-17.7)
E2- 19.4 (11.6-41.2) this is low for me
Test Serum 508 (348-1197)
Free Test- .7 (normal is 9.3-26.5)

I'm pretty concerned and just wanted to get back to normal. It pretty embarrassing when my girl is trying to get me hard and I get a halfer. Plus she is talking about having another kid...not sure if I am to messed up...
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Your problem is you ran an AI through PCT. You don't do that. You also only ran Nolva as PCT. Nolvadex only protects against gyno, it binds to receptors in the breast tissue under the nipples to prevent estrogen from binding to those receptors which would cause gyno. PCT needs Clomid. Clomid will restart your natural test production by stimulating the testes.

If I was you, do what auhsoJ says. Run Clomid for 5 weeks at the dosage he suggests. That combined with staying off the AI will fix your libido. Basically, you crashed your estrogen levels by using an AI inappropriately and left your testes shutdown from not running a proper PCT.

I will say it again to people reading this:

PROPER PCT REQUIRES CLOMID AND NOLVADEX. YOU DO NOT USE AND AI DURING PCT.

PROPER PCT REQUIRES CLOMID AND NOLVADEX. YOU DO NOT USE AND AI DURING PCT.

PROPER PCT REQUIRES CLOMID AND NOLVADEX. YOU DO NOT USE AND AI DURING PCT.

PROPER PCT REQUIRES CLOMID AND NOLVADEX. YOU DO NOT USE AND AI DURING PCT.

PROPER PCT REQUIRES CLOMID AND NOLVADEX. YOU DO NOT USE AND AI DURING PCT.

PROPER PCT REQUIRES CLOMID AND NOLVADEX. YOU DO NOT USE AND AI DURING PCT.

PROPER PCT REQUIRES CLOMID AND NOLVADEX. YOU DO NOT USE AND AI DURING PCT.
 
Guido thank you for checking out my post. I did not run an AI thru pct I stopped the day of my last pin. I ran the AI about 6 months after which did bring my level below normal. I just got some clomid and will run the dose and I hope it works :). I keep hearing different things from different board but this is the first solid advice I have gotten. Most people direct me to stickies which I always read first then ask from there when I need clarification. So again thank you both for your help I will update as time goes on :) How long after running clomid should I start to feel the difference?
 
A week after you finish our Clomid you should feel energized both mentally and libido wise. You might feel a bit melancholy on the Clomid, expect some mood swings. Think of it as a temporary male period.

By the way, never ever run an AI alone. It fucks up your hormones bad.
 
Always use an AI during PCT!!! If my 20 years of experience is not convincing enough...perhaps a real study will suffice.

The AI will help jumpstart your HPTA since estrogen is the stuff that acts as a negative feedback on your hypothalamus and pituitary. By keeping E2 lower than it otherwise would be, the HPTA will wake up quicker.

The AI is also a test booster by the very same mechanism. It should prevent the worst of the crash effect and peg your levels higher than normal. This study shows the use of Anastrozole for TRT all by itself, pretty cool: http://jcem.endojournals.org/conten...w or Borderline-Low Serum Testosterone Levels

Aromasin is a Type I suicidal aromatase inhibitor. I have been using Formeron (Formestane) because it is also a type I suicidal inhibitor for PCT and on cycle estrogen control. The reason you want to have a Suicidal inhitior is so that there is no rebound when you discontinue use. Also they have a slightly androgenic effect. The way they work to boost testosterone is called the negative feedback loop. By lowering the body's estrogen to lower than normal levels it makes the body think that testosterone is low since estrogen is the gauge as to where the testosterone is. So when estrogen is high the body shuts down natural testosterone production because it things testosterone is low since testosterone is converted to estrogen via the aromatase enzyme. By lowering the Estrogen the body kicks up production of the Testosterone again and you are able to rebound after your cycle much faster than if you would go without a suicidal AI. Running a SERM with a suicidal AI is the going to be the best chance at getting your natural production going quickly after a cycle not including Hcg.


This shit is AAS 101 peeps...all the pros I work with use an AI during PCT.....that's if they ever come off. Why shouldn't you? Plenty of studies out there to prove it!





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I am new at this but most places have said to use AI during PCT. Right now I have adex but its very up and down sometimes 2 drops is to much and sometimes .25 is not enough its to hard to gauge. I am using it until my aromasin comes in. How should I dose it? and how long should I continue use? Just went to my endo today on the 14th I got BW and e2 was at 19 and a week and a half ago was up to 29 in a range of 11-41. So it is going up again. ALso free test came back at 12.7 (see range in above post). But total is down to 496 from 508 it is showing a steady decline but e2 has gone up...I am getting a metabolic panel, vitamin levels, and cholesterol level also, getting drawn tomorrow morning. I hope the clomid will boost my test and FSH I am running what was recommended up and will taper off as I hear not tapering off a SERM can cause shutdown also...
 
Day 5 of 100mg clomid...starting mood swings getting really pissed wanted to stick my fist thru someone's face then depressed all in the same hour. Trying to keep a level head for the most part. How much worse should I expect it to get? I have not taken an AI yet as I took a few drops of adex about 3 days ago and havent had libido return strongly yet. Waiting until the end of the week to get aromasin, adex is messing with me to much at this point. If i do BW for will my e2 levels be higher than usual at this point from the clomid?
 
HarleyRider44 said:
Day 5 of 100mg clomid...starting mood swings getting really pissed wanted to stick my fist thru someone's face then depressed all in the same hour. Trying to keep a level head for the most part. How much worse should I expect it to get? I have not taken an AI yet as I took a few drops of adex about 3 days ago and havent had libido return strongly yet. Waiting until the end of the week to get aromasin, adex is messing with me to much at this point. If i do BW for will my e2 levels be higher than usual at this point from the clomid?
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Interesting. Most who get emotional side effects get the opposite feeling. Many people feel more or less like a little bitch and can get very emotional. I remember going to see Braveheart in the movies with one of my friends...he was running clomid at the time and he started crying during the movie! All he kept saying was, "fuckn clomid!" A lot of people often get depressed and get very sensitive with clomid...ya feel like you are wearing a skirt. lol



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Libido is dimishing erections are so so takes a little work but still havent taken AI...going to take .25 adex today and see if that helps over the next few days..just ordered aromasin should be here soon. Also, I hear that clomid makes you shoot a bigger load? Mine are almost non-existant right now...
 
Just got aromasin..how should i does it? Only thing I am taking right now is clomid 50mg. I have been taking adex .25 about every 3-4 days which helps but seems to be a difficult thing to balance. How long should i take aromasin should i start at 12.5? how often?
 
Just got another set of bloods back this is after 10 days of clomid, days 1-7 100mg days 8-10 50mg and am still currently taking the 50..

Free T- 26.4 pg/ml (9.3-26.5)
T Serum- 1031 ng/dl (348-1197)
FSH- 4.4 (1.4-18.1)
LH- 13.4 (1.5-9.3)
Prolactin- 3.7 (2.1-17.7)
E2- 75.4 (11.6-41.2)

So couple questions. From what I have read when taking clomid you do not get an true e2 level? I have not taken an AI in almost a week since when I did take it a decrease is libido and erection strength would occur but I do now have aromasin, should I definitely be taking it? I have slightly more libido and when aroused erections are very strong at least which they were not prior to clomid. I am just don't want to take a suicide inhibitor and cause more harm and I am not an adex fan at this point. I know people say you need to use AI during PCT however my cycle was almost one year ago that is what is making me uncertain about the AI. I know the higher t the higher e but if clomid gives a false e2 do i just gauge how my body feels, but what if levels are truly that high and it decreases the t binding the my receptors cause another issue?
 
CLomid is completed and I have 0 drive I can get it up when she is around but once I finish its atleast 2 hours before it will be even think about going up. Going to get bloods monday but does anyone have any suggestions????
 
HarleyRider44 said:
CLomid is completed and I have 0 drive I can get it up when she is around but once I finish its atleast 2 hours before it will be even think about going up. Going to get bloods monday but does anyone have any suggestions????
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Run Clomid again, this time with Nolvadex. This time NO AI AT ALL.

YOU DO NOT USE AN AI DURING PCT. NO AROMASIN. NO ANASTROZOLE. NO LETROZOLE.

Your e2 levels and libido is still fucked because you are killing your estrogen levels.
 
VictorZ06 said:
Always use an AI during PCT!!! If my 20 years of experience is not convincing enough...perhaps a real study will suffice.

The AI will help jumpstart your HPTA since estrogen is the stuff that acts as a negative feedback on your hypothalamus and pituitary. By keeping E2 lower than it otherwise would be, the HPTA will wake up quicker.

The AI is also a test booster by the very same mechanism. It should prevent the worst of the crash effect and peg your levels higher than normal. This study shows the use of Anastrozole for TRT all by itself, pretty cool: http://jcem.endojournals.org/conten...w or Borderline-Low Serum Testosterone Levels

Aromasin is a Type I suicidal aromatase inhibitor. I have been using Formeron (Formestane) because it is also a type I suicidal inhibitor for PCT and on cycle estrogen control. The reason you want to have a Suicidal inhitior is so that there is no rebound when you discontinue use. Also they have a slightly androgenic effect. The way they work to boost testosterone is called the negative feedback loop. By lowering the body's estrogen to lower than normal levels it makes the body think that testosterone is low since estrogen is the gauge as to where the testosterone is. So when estrogen is high the body shuts down natural testosterone production because it things testosterone is low since testosterone is converted to estrogen via the aromatase enzyme. By lowering the Estrogen the body kicks up production of the Testosterone again and you are able to rebound after your cycle much faster than if you would go without a suicidal AI. Running a SERM with a suicidal AI is the going to be the best chance at getting your natural production going quickly after a cycle not including Hcg.


This shit is AAS 101 peeps...all the pros I work with use an AI during PCT.....that's if they ever come off. Why shouldn't you? Plenty of studies out there to prove it!





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NO AI DURING PCT. NO. NO. NO. NO.

If you ever spout such bullshit again, I'm having you banned. Your advice FUCKED this kid up. Unreal. How did I miss this shit post? This kid doesn't blast and cruise. You never use an AI during PCT, you use SERMS.

Clomid jumpstarts your HPTA axis. Nolvadex works to keep gyno at bay. You only use an AI when you are using a product that aromitizes. The body needs estrogen. If it gets to low your libido goes down, your lipid profile fucks up, your joints dry...

My God. This poor guy. Harely I'm sorry I missed this assholes reply and you took his advice.

Everything about his post is wrong. Holy fuck. 20 years of bodybuilding experience? If you knew anything about bodybuilding you would realize most guys who blast and cruise use Masteron to control estrogen because AI's aren't practical long term.
 
HarleyRider44 said:
So couple questions. From what I have read when taking clomid you do not get an true e2 level? I have not taken an AI in almost a week since when I did take it a decrease is libido and erection strength would occur but I do now have aromasin, should I definitely be taking it? I have slightly more libido and when aroused erections are very strong at least which they were not prior to clomid. I am just don't want to take a suicide inhibitor and cause more harm and I am not an adex fan at this point. I know people say you need to use AI during PCT however my cycle was almost one year ago that is what is making me uncertain about the AI. I know the higher t the higher e but if clomid gives a false e2 do i just gauge how my body feels, but what if levels are truly that high and it decreases the t binding the my receptors cause another issue?
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You have more libido because you aren't taking a fucking aromitase inhibitor or a suicide inhibitor.

I don't know who these people are that say you need and AI during PCT but they need a fucking schooling in proper steroid use and bodybuilding.
 
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