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new member- any input greatly appreciated..re:hydro w/d

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Quinquin

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Hi all...my first time posting here. I will make this brief. I have been taking about 5 10mg hydros a day
for a couple of years. This is the first time I've ever run out completely. Source dried up
and I am afraid of what I will face w/d-wise. I have family and job and hubby is pretty keen but has no clue about this.
Question is: do you think this amount of use equals horrible w/d? Actually, I do remember being out for a day a long time ago and I had terrible muscle leg weirdness at night. Is my use really high? I have no
idea whether I'm going to be bad sick or if this is something I can deal with????
Thank You!
 
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I think it's something you can deal with. Your dose isn't the highest I've ever heard of, but that's not saying it's an okay amount to be abusing if you have no real need for painkillers. It's not "really high," but I don't want that to make you think that you aren't headed down a dangerous path. Just be aware and be careful. The sooner you get out of the game the better your life will be, is a general rule of thumb.
You're probably gonna feel pretty sick and flu-like. Maybe try cuddling with your hubby a little extra for the following week? I found the touch of a warm person in my life to be absolutely amazing during my bad withdrawals. It takes your mind off the aches, at least it did mine. It was amazing, my ex-GF just like layed on top of me and was so comforting and loving that I felt like my w/ds were a mile away. That day registers as more prominent than any sex we had in my memory of her.
If you get the runs, use immodium (loperimide). That's a valuable medicine during withdrawals, and certainly takes the edge off. It IS an opiate, though such a tiny % of it crosses the blood brain barrier that you don't really get high from it, though some people report taking huge huge doses and feeling slightly buzzed. I don't see the point in that though, it's meant to make you not feel SO shitty (literally and figuratively) during withdrawals. I've found that fruits and vegetables really made me feel better too, and good quality juices too. The advice that my dad gave me, he is an executive manager at a grocery store, is that if you eat fruits and veggies that comprise all the colors of the rainbow several times a week, that you are getting more useful and effective vitamins than any pill form can offer. That really helped me during withdrawals.

Are you trying to be done with them, or this is just an unfortunate break in your supply of your DOC?
 
You are probably going to be in for a rough ride. If you have access to valium xanax or any benzo it would be very helpful. otherwise you can go to the drug store and by some loperamide it is an opiate that does not cross the blood brain barrier so it wont get you high but it will help with the body aches and stomach discomfort. What you do is start at like 15mg of loperamide see if that helps if not go up a lil at a time I wouldnt go over 30 mg just because of its constipating properties. If you find it helps then start tapering that dropping a few mgs each day. There is lots of info on the net about loperamide and withdrawl on the net so do a search and get read up.
 
First of all, thank you for your thoughtful and helpful reply. I have wanted to be "done" for awhile but when in the
possession of a good quantity I know I can never actually taper. Lately, I look tired and worn out, my stomach
always hurts and I'm always worried about getting supply. This is absolutely crazy. I can't even freakin believe I put
myself in this position because I have been blessed with such a wonderful family. I cannot confide in my spouse (he is
a physician and would probably leave me). If I could share the my pain with him, I know that it would be a little better
but I just can't. And I have soo much to do and I just feel bad. This is only my first night and I can tell already...I feel totally weird. I appreciate your help in this tremendously..I am going for the immodium tomorrow for sure just in
case. I want to be done with all this shit (literally and figuratively haha). I'm getting too old!!
thanks again!
 
I had no idea about immodium in that it can help with w/d.. thank you guys so much. I appreciate your reply. This is
the first day and I already
feel yuck!
Thank you.
 
A while back I was out for only 2 days and one night and then I started right back up. But in those 2 days I felt like total shit and had
nightime muscle jerking pretty bad. That was the only night I let myself experience that. I just wonder if it gets worse
after a couple of days cuz it was pretty bad during that short time. Also, I was using less at that time...using about 5 or 8 5mg tabs instead of the 10's I've been on.
 
B6 & B12 vitamins, 5-HTP and L-tyrosine supplements will help your brain re-establish it's natural neurotransmitter balance, as there won't be the opiate running things anymore.
Plus, B-complex vitamins are the "energy" in energy drinks..... they're vital for getting the digestion right again too. And while you're at it, take some vit. D3...... unless you already get a decent amount of sun or take other vit. supplements.

As it were...... Red Bull in moderation helped me a LOT during hard WDs..... dragging my butt out of the rack just to do simple chores was terrible, but those drinks helped me keep a little energy up..... enough to make it through a day. They're also low on sugar and carbonation, which is easier on the ol' stomach.

And I swear to whatever..... I figured out what redbull tastes like while WDing; flintstones chewable vitamins. lol

Warm epsom salt baths also help loads for leg & muscle spasms, as it will also for any crazy cold sweats.

If it matters, I don't think your husband will leave you, especially if he's a physician. In fact, he's the best help you could hope for, in dealing with your coming detox.
Be honest with him, and don't try to sugarcoat things. The best medicine doesn't always taste or smell good..... and the illness needs to be identified, to be treated. You're already halfway there.
He'll be upset; but as he loves you, it'll just make him try that much harder to help you.

Think of this as a bout of really bad flu. Treat it much the same way..... with lots of chicken-soup, rest, and pleasant diversion.... and within a week's time, you'll start feeling much better.
 
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Not trying to bring you down here, but the physical WDs will actually be the easy part if you really want to be "done" with it for good. You've been abusing opis for a couple of years, and even though your dose wasn't that high, there will most likely be some psychological repercussions that can last quite a while. Read up on Post Acute Withdrawal Syndrome (PAWS).

I strongly suggest finding some solid support for the time after quitting, otherwise it's more likely than not that you'll end up in the same spot you're in now, or worse.

I wish you all the best though, you'll make it. Just stay strong, and DO NOT try to find another supply.
 
maybe i am missing something but it seems he is just suffering from an episode of involuntary abstinence. regardless of dose, after that length of use in a habitual manner, symptoms might not be the pits of hell but i would definitely anticipate w/d's to one extent or another. subs can be a great help in situations like this, good luck.
 
personally i think suboxone would be overkill in this situation. if all the OP has to deal with is restless leg syndrome and "feeling yucky" why throw such a heavy drug as bupe at it?

you will be fine as far as physical withdrawals. sure you are going to feel like shit but i honestly think in your situation the physical withdrawals will subside after 4-5 days. just stick it out. dealing with cravings and the other mental aspects of kicking opiates is, as said before, the more serious issue at hand. seek counseling if possible or if you find AA/NA meetings helpful i suggest trying it out.

good luck.
 
i'm also hesitant to suggest any benzos at this point. i'm not trying to marginalize the addiction by any means but i think it's dangerous to suggest these potent pharmaceutical answers to a less than severe opiate addiction. fighting problems with bigger problems never got me anywhere, i know that much.
 
who says he has to take a high dose of bupe? and the legs and mild discomfort are how it STARTS for me, though it might turn out to be the peak of his withdrawls its not beyond possibility that the situation could deteriorate further. also my suggestion of a low dose of bupe(1-2mg perhaps?) was based on his wanting to continue taking hydros in the future and just trying to maintain functionality,not to say that it wouldn't work well as a quick taper assistant.
 
i never mentioned a high dose. i think any sized dose of bupe is probably unnecessary at this point but that's just my opinion.
 
a little progress emotionally today with all this crap

thank you..actually a weird thing happened today....my 21 year old son called from college and talked to
my husband about wanting to get some basic lab work done asap because he is feeling "off". He says he
is severely anxious, dizzy,etc. So my hubby takes him to an internist friend of his today for a check-up. This doctor confided in my
husband that my son told him that he has been smoking pot every day for the last 6 years and that he was scared that he was in withdrawal because he had cut down substantially recently. My son allowed the doctor to share this with us because the kid thought he was truly sick. I heard this and knew my husband would blow a gasket. But, surprisingly, to me anyway, he said he told my son that
he probably has some anxiety issues and the pot obviously helped him feel calmer. He also told him that he may tend towards a little anxiety...much like your mom (me). He also said, son, it doesn't
make you a bad person..you obviously gravitate toward that for a reason. He also told him that we will love him no matter what mistakes that he has and will continue to make..And then of course he went into "doctor mode" regarding treatment and therapy if needed...But I have been a secret addict for so long
with so much guilt, shame and embarrassment about this issue that I never thought he would understand. I truly didn't.
So, anyway, my husband was telling me this and today of course I am feeling and looking like shit...second day off of several years of opiate abuse- hidden from him. I said that I could certainly relate because I have some issues
of my own right now. He knows I am a little on the unconventional side and he knows I like a vicodin now and then...he just does not know the extent of my use. Anyway, I did sugarcoat the situation saying that I have been taking a little more recreationally than I would like and that I have made a decision to stop. I said I have been clean for a month (lie). Actually, reading my first post I think I really was too embarrassed to say the real number of 10mg hydros I've been on. He said maybe thats why you don't feel very well..he said even a few narcotics every once in a while for an extended period can have some w/d effect. I'm like, "really!", "gosh I've taken no more than a few a week!", "weird!!!" LIE.
Anyway, I went on too long but my point is that even though I didn't tell the whole truth..I still feel somewhat better..at least emotionally about all the guilt I have been having over this. Also, I just started on
this forum last night so I threw in some things that I learned from you guys- things that I think I am starting to accept and believe. I said that I didn't think that this makes me a bad person and I'm not embarrassed...which felt soo good to say. He said, "I completely agree." I really wanted his love and understanding throughout all of this and maybe I shortchanged him..and myself. So all in all, A good development,
I think. Now....what to do about my son....
Also, I did get some benzos today and also the immodium. I am not a benzo person so I don't think I would ever get addicted to these....too sedating and I don't like that. But I only have a few and I think they are helping...at least maybe I'll get much needed sleep tonight hopefully cuz all the hydros kept me pretty sleep deprived...which is another thing I hate.
 
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You are right...staying strong is going to be hard...My supplier called today...she hates the losing the $150/week or more that I have been paying for a few years..she said she is working on an alternative and could get some in a day or two and how many would I want? I told her that I wanted to lay off for a little while as I am already going through w/d's. But, stupidly, I left the door open by saying maybe I'd call her in a few weeks...I am so stupid that I felt bad for HER losing her income !!!! Jeez, I am pitiful...right now I am done. I need strength to stop this shit but I wish I hadn't gotten so involved with her...she's like a friend now. I just have to remember all the feeling shitty all the time and honestly, the distance (emotional) that this creates between me and my family...not good.
 
Aww...don't worry, I'm sure your husband is suspecting that you are sugarcoating your story. He's a doctor, meaning he=not and idiot. lol. He probably knows more than you think he does anyway. Just let him support you, and give him the benefit of the doubt. He sounds like a great guy though! Good for you, you have a great chance at quitting, given your support group, better than many many people in your same situation.
 
Thanks CoffeeDrinker.... you may be right-maybe he does know. But he is a straightshooter and I think it would have been a very serious talk tonight had he really suspected the severity....i can be pretty naive, though. But I just want to add that his ex-wife was pretty messed up on drugs for years...that was what made them divorce -he was devastated to say the least. He said he would never subject himself to that shit...EVER..and I believe him. Thats why I try to minimize my use. But at least I was kinda honest on a VERY SORE SUBJECT for him. He is probably in bed right now thinking..WTF have I done...AGAIN!!! I told him I should sleep alone tonight in the guest room because I am kinda restless and anxious and don't want to keep him up all night with my tossing and turning. The truth is that the dams restless leg crap is impossible to hide! Not to mention the sweats.... Hmmmm..I wonder if he does really know the extent? I honestly doubt
it and I hope not. yikes! But the truth is I know I can look forward to the muscle cramping shit and I don't want to expose him to the reality of the crap- for now anyway. I am going to try to do this and if I can't...then I will bite the bullet and come clean. I have to.
 
Well, as others have said, your use is far less extreme than many many addicts we've seen on this site. That doesn't mean you are supposed to have an easy time withdrawing! Don't get me wrong. All I'm saying is, people have survived worse.
I think his ex must've been far more reckless and extreme with her drug use than you've been. It's so damn easy to fall into the habit of just popping some painkillers, you'd be surprised who is in the same situation you are in.
Try running, and maybe ask him to give you a massage after. I see no reason to be less intimate now that you really need support.
 
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