new here and just stopped using opiates

[nomorehurtin]

Hey everyone. I been reading alot on here about opiate W/D. I thank all of you who have posted info about ways to help out the W/D!!! I finally manned up and stopped using. I'm on day 13 and feel great! I'm probably at 85% normal. I still have sleep issues and a little bit of stomach issues. Other than that I have lots of energy back! The energy came back on day 11. I used for about 3 years. The past 9 months been hard core. Been eating 2 or 3 80mg oxy a day. If no oxy I would take 10 vic 10mg a day. Spent probably $60k in the past 3 years. Finally broke down and told the wife and stopped!!! The first 4 days was brutal! On day 5 I felt a little better. On day 7 I started to feel more normal. Then on day 10 and 11 I really got my energy back and I knew 100% I WON the battle!!! I start meetings tomorrow too. I will never ever go back to those day of always making sure I have enough pills. Today is the best day I have had in 3 years and tomorrow will be better and the day after that will be even more better and so on!!!!!! Lol!
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[P.o.T.u.S]

Congrats man that is awesome..thats good you start meetings but just be careful because all the people talking about the drug can be triggering but the support there can be very helpful..good luck!!

 

[metalman343]

I am so jealous of where you are at right now. I know that feeling. I was clean for 3 months last summer. Its like being reborn. They call this the honeymoon phase. Im going thru one hell of detox right now after having a 30-50mg fentanyl habit a day. I know that sounds like a typo but believe me its not. Im on 32+ mg of suboxone and still not 100% stable. It day 2 now no fentanyl. I so wish to be where you are at. I will get there. Posts like this give me encouragement. Congrats again!!!

 

[nomorehurtin]

You can do it metalman! If I can then anyone can. I was amazed my wife didn't kill me! I told her and she was pissed for about 12 hours. Then we talked for 2 hours and I promised her I would stop, go to meetings and told her that she can drug test me anytime she wants. She knew something was up because the amount of $ I was spending. I never been addicted to anything before. What happened is that I blew out my knee 3 years ago. Had to get surgery. Doc gave me perc 10mg like freakin candy. That's what did it! My wife went to CVS and got me L-Carnitine, potassium, super B complex, Valerian root, immiodium and iron. I also have gabapentin. That really helps with restless leg syndrome!!! I could sleep for 6 hours straight on day 3 with the help of gabapentin. IT FEELS SOOOO GOOD TO SLEEP FOR 6 HOURS AND WAKE UP FEELING GREAT!!! I hated waking up dope sick every single day! Like you said "it feels like being reborn!" Thanks for the replies! I can guarantee that I will never touch a opiate again unless I get in a car accident or something crazy happens to me! Wow I'm in such a great mood. I been bouncing around for 3 days now. My wife says my face and eyes look so much better. I guess this is how life is sometimes? I went all the way down till I hit the bottom and the only place to go was up. Now I'm out of that horrible hole and I see the light. I want everyone to read my post and know that they will feel like I do if they just tough it out for 10 days or so. PLEASE JUST DO IT!!! Live your life on your own terms. NOT ON A GOD FORSAKEN PILLS TERMS!!! Well that's the end of my story. Ask any questions and I will be happy to respond. Thanks again for the information that I gathered on here!

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[metalman343]

that is exactly how i started. ACL and meniscus surgery on right knee after a freestyle skiiing accident. It started with percs. Then to Roxy 30s then to 80 OCs then to Heroin. And then to Fentanyl HCL and Acetyl Fentanyl Powder of endless supplies with no issue of $. I know you say if you can do it any one can but please be a little understanding of the levels of opiate addiction. The amount you were doing at the very most wouldnt have even been enough for 1 dose for me to keep me out of withdrawal. I do appreciate your encouragement. Im sitting here at work where i do soils testing so it is like somewhat physical work with heavy metal molds and stuff. Reading stuff like this gives me so much inspiration and encouragement. Last summer I quit a 25 bags a day of heroin habit by just tapering a tiny bit and going cold turkey. No subs. Just immodium. And guess what. That was the worst experience of my life. I ended up in the ER with an ambulance ride there. I had some pure xanax powder during that withdrawal and I was so sick that I just put out a line of like 50mg of xanax without knowing wtf i was getting into. 30 minutes later i remember my parents coming to see me in bed and i cant talk to them, I know what i want to communicate but the words wont come out. Thats the last memory. Then I wake up in the hospital with a catheter in my dick the next day with a nurse standing there for suicide watch. She tells me you are back from the dead. You just had a heavy benzo OD. And this was while in heavy heroin WD. It was the worst experience of my life. It was messed up what i put my parents thru. I dont mean to jack your thread but im in a kind of "reborn" mood too now that it is 48+ hours with no fentanyl. But you gotta understand im on insanely high dose of suboxone. Enough to kill 8 opiate naive people possibly.

 

[nomorehurtin]

Very true. I understand that my habit wasn't as bad as others. I never used heroin. That's one thing I made sure I wouldn't do. I would of rather been dope sick for a day or 2 until I got more oxy. 3 80mg oxy a day isn't chump change either. It's nothing compared to 25 bags of dope a day though! From 24 hours to 48 hours I just laid in my bed and almost had my wife bring me to the hospital. Then at day 3 I drank 3 big gateraids and I knew I was on top of the hill and it would slowly get better. Metalman I sure hope you can do it! Just be strong. I tried to taper a bunch of times and couldnt. If I had oxy I would just do it to get high. Having a mental break down and telling my wife and going cold turkey was the only way for me to do it! Are you taking vitamins? You should load up on them. It helped me alot. Keep in touch and let me know how you are doing. What is your plan??? How long do u plan on using Subs and what dosages do u plan on and the time frame for each?

 

[metalman343]

Right now I cant keep anything down beside chicken noodle soup here n there and arizona green tea. I tried takin vitamins and threw up right away. Stomach is just so confused from the partial agonism of the subs. In the past I was able to taper very rapidly off subs. I would induce at like 8-10mg then get down to 8 in a few days then right down to 4 then i would stay on like 2mgs for like a few weeks and just keep tapering. And I did get completely clean this way once. I know subs are a miracle drug if used correctly. Way better than the devilish methadone. Methadone is just synthetic heroin. Does nothing for quitting. Subs are like half way between feeling ok and withdrawing. It lets your opiate receptors start reversing the down-regulation. My number one goal right now is to get to under 4mg a day of sub.

 

[nomorehurtin]

Sounds like u have a plan. I would like to stay in touch throughout your battle. One day at a time!!! You can do it. In 2 weeks you will be fine and on a light dosage.

 

[WakeMe!]

Metalman since you seem to be very familiar with suboxone, please tell me if you had withdrawals from the subs when you finally stopped taking them. I was prescribed as much as 16mg at one time and I am down to taking 8mg per day. My biggest fear is W/D of Subs because I have heard that W/D from them is worse than any withdrawal. I just picked up a month's worth of subs and I'd like to make it my last prescription. If I keep tapering down to a sliver of it, and then quit after a few days of a small sliver, do you think I will still suffer W/D? I can't afford to keep seeing the doctor or buying the subs because my insurance only covered me for six months and now I'm on my own. Any advice you or anyone else can give me would be so kind. You are doing an awesome job and I know you will come out of this and feel great when you're 100% clean of even the subs! Keep up the great work!

 

[metalman343]

It is true that subs are a very powerful opiate mg per mg. But you have to understand its efficacy at the mu receptor is only 34% agonist activation. Compared to 75% of morphine and 77% of methadone. This is the reason why precipitated W//D happens. And so because of this lower activation, coming of an equa-dose of sub compared to another opiate with full agonism activation, the w/d will always be milder in comparison. Now there is also the halflife which sub has a long one. 37h. So that also stretches the w/d out making it less peaky (intense) but longer lingering. So when you take all of these into account, it is absolutely the perfect drug to taper off. But you ABSOLUTELY have to taper down. Jumping off at 8mg is like jumping off at 100mg off pure heroin. So no wonder it wont feel so great. But because of all the reasons i explained above, sub makes it incredibly easy to taper down to lower doses and let your body adjust correctly to the lower dose before tapering down to a new lower dose. This is key. There is no sense in rushing the taper. My method has been to taper initially fast like 16 to 12 to 8mg within a few days but then 8 to 4 takes a few days. And then once im at 4mg, every step takes much longer. I stay on 4mg for almost a week, then 3mg for almost a week, then 2mg for a week and then start going down in 0.25mg increments every other day and let your body tell you whether that new dose is too low. Any sort of yawning or chills, then go right back up to the previous dose and stay there for a few more days. The end of the taper is the most important part. This is also when we start to feel cocky as opiate addicts and think that we can just one time try out opiate of choice with the low dose of sub to see how it feels. Because surely the tolerance will be down. But trust me, this has 100% everytime led me back to addiction and i will never again do the just one time bs. You gotta understand when you get to doses of 2mg and under on sub, it seizes to block craving for other opiates. That is, the mental craving. At that point its all about will power. I wouldnt jump off subs until stable at 0.5-0.25 mg. 0.5mg will definitely have some w/d for a week, very light but some. 0.25 will be even better. Good Luck to you!