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Placed a order for AH-7921, gonnaq give it another try after reading this thread before i write it off, what sort of dose would i be looking at with a 40ml meth tolerance? (oral, doubt i could stand sublingual)
 
No idea what effect a 40ml meth tolerance would have, without tolerance I would say start at about 100mg and expect a nod at 150mg+. But tolerance seems to build fast, I had to eat over 300mg to get a nod last night, and I've not really been hammering it.

I think contents of the stomach may have delayed the effects though. Once it kicked in it lasted for hours and hours, much stronger and longer lasting than any o-dt dose I've done. But it doesn't seem to have the nice mood lift at low doses that o-dt does. Just flat out fucked, or nothing.

And yeah, oral or chased, SG has reported good results chasing, seem to be the only viable ROAs, other than injecting. Oral works well when you get the dose right, though.
 
Possession of personal amounts of MXE is not illegal, all the police can do is confiscate it. It's only illegal to import / supply the drug. Can anyone confirm this please
 
foolsgold said:
right well iv got two for you here an old one as in mesketamine has resurfaced and is tempting me to try it again also so has this one which i know nothing of as its no info as yet dithoxetamine anyone know anything of this ?
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As far as I'm awakre mesketamine was just a made up name for methoxetamine.
 
rockstar 69 said:
As far as I'm awakre mesketamine was just a made up name for methoxetamine.
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That's was what I thought but given MXE is now controlled maybe not..but then given what happened after the 4-MMC ban .......

There seems to be no info on it and the vendor/s arent saying what's in it, I'd avoid.
 
Mesketamine appeared shortly after the temporary ban and was suspected to be MXE. I don't know anyone who tried it to confirm this but I don't think we've ever seen something come out with a brand name before the chemical is released, let alone it coming out and the chemical not being available 6 months later.

Until MXE is officially moved to class B, possession is not an offence.
 
Transform said:
Well that's your lot folks. MXE, X-MeO-PCP, NENK, and all other dissociatives will become class B drugs before the year is out.

http://www.homeoffice.gov.uk/publications/agencies-public-bodies/acmd1/methoxetamine2012
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Probably, yes. But this is just an ACMD recommendation to the Home Office. Let's not forget that in May this year, Theresa May responded to some previous recommendations from the ACMD, outright rejecting some and saying more research is needed before implementing others. The government may yet surprise us and decide that there's not enough evidence of harm or widespread use to ban the drugs other than MXE, or simply not bother to make a decision for quite a long time for whatever reason.

Incidentally, does anyone else think this report is sort of quite cool? Page 14 has the Ki values for three arylcyclohexylamines that I've never seen this info for previously. I vaguely recall the word on the street (and BL) being that MXE was basically like ket but was also a dopamine releaser which is why it felt so much better. But this report seems to suggest no significant DAT activity, but some affinity at the SERT. It's a shame it takes a report on whether a drug should be banned to produce it, but this seems like pretty useful harm reduction info. If this is what the Temporary Class Drug Orders provide then they may not be all bad.
 
^^^^well, you could be right, of course no one knows for sure yet except the insiders. But i doubt it, some vendors are going into overdrive mode with their sales on the cannabinoids;slashing their prices on blends and powders to shift as much as they can ASAP. They seem to be a very shrewd bunch to me, I doubt they'd be throwing away potential profits if they didnt think they needed to.
 
StretchOutAndWait said:
Incidentally, does anyone else think this report is sort of quite cool? Page 14 has the Ki values for three arylcyclohexylamines that I've never seen this info for previously. I vaguely recall the word on the street (and BL) being that MXE was basically like ket but was also a dopamine releaser which is why it felt so much better. But this report seems to suggest no significant DAT activity, but some affinity at the SERT. It's a shame it takes a report on whether a drug should be banned to produce it, but this seems like pretty useful harm reduction info. If this is what the Temporary Class Drug Orders provide then they may not be all bad.
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I'm a bit surprised by that. I reckon 3-MeO-PCP has very potent DAT activity. I shall check! The serotonergic activity of MXE ties in with people's unpleasant experience combining with other serotonergic drugs.


EDIT Well I'll be damned, none of the arylcyclohexylamines they tested, including 3-MeO-PCP, show any DAT activity. I am confused by this, very confused, as towards the end of my 3-MeO-PCP usage I was pretty much using it solely for what I thought were dopamine-related effects, i.e. a stimulant buzz and a reward-system fix.
 
StretchOutAndWait said:
I vaguely recall the word on the street (and BL) being that MXE was basically like ket but was also a dopamine releaser which is why it felt so much better. But this report seems to suggest no significant DAT activity, but some affinity at the SERT.
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Well that would explain a hell of alot with regards arylcyclohexylamines being great anti-depressants.
 
knockando said:
No idea what effect a 40ml meth tolerance would have, without tolerance I would say start at about 100mg and expect a nod at 150mg+. But tolerance seems to build fast, I had to eat over 300mg to get a nod last night, and I've not really been hammering it.

I think contents of the stomach may have delayed the effects though. Once it kicked in it lasted for hours and hours, much stronger and longer lasting than any o-dt dose I've done. But it doesn't seem to have the nice mood lift at low doses that o-dt does. Just flat out fucked, or nothing.

And yeah, oral or chased, SG has reported good results chasing, seem to be the only viable ROAs, other than injecting. Oral works well when you get the dose right, though.
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Cheers, how long would you say it takes to kick in on an empty stomach? i'l start at 200mg and work up slowly, may try chasing a bit too. Any reports/info on IV use? not even considering trying it like, just interested
 
500mg ah-7921 so far with no effects bombed 300mg at 11 & 200mg at 12, i'll have another 200mg see where that takes me, maybe chase 50mg if i can stand the taste.. guess its not one for people with a bit of tolerance :(
edit: feel a wee bit itchy and warm after 750mg, nice but not great, maybe the last 250 would make me comfy, might try it this evening, 250mg doesnt seem like itd do anything on its own. How long do the effects tend to last?
 
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I like AH-7921, as I've said before. Has anyone else found that there are far fewer after effect from a 3 day binge on this than there a would be from an equivalent H binge? I've been trying fairly hard on get hooked on this with no success yet.

On a more general level why is the UK govt doing this? Don't they realise this whole cycle will just go round again? People who don't want to take illegal drugs are going to end up taking shittier and shittier analogue (a la Meph) until they poison themselves. When will govts. realise that the right to alter our consciousness is a basic human right ?
 
JJ-180 said:
On a more general level why is the UK govt doing this? Don't they realise this whole cycle will just go round again? People who don't want to take illegal drugs are going to end up taking shittier and shittier analogue (a la Meph) until they poison themselves. When will govts. realise that the right to alter our consciousness is a basic human right ?
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When governments are comprised of people like you & me!
 
ColourfulKronos said:
500mg ah-7921 so far with no effects bombed 300mg at 11 & 200mg at 12, i'll have another 200mg see where that takes me, maybe chase 50mg if i can stand the taste.. guess its not one for people with a bit of tolerance :(
edit: feel a wee bit itchy and warm after 750mg, nice but not great, maybe the last 250 would make me comfy, might try it this evening, 250mg doesnt seem like itd do anything on its own. How long do the effects tend to last?
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If your tolerance is at the 40ml methadone level I'd be surprised if you got much out of it at all, especially if you bombed it, which seems to be the least efficient ROA for this substance. Even people with no tolerance whatsoever are reporting minimal / no effects from oral dosing.

I mainly chased it and quite enjoyed the feeling. Others have had luck with sublingual dosing, though I couldn't stand the bitterness enough to properly experiment with it (not to mention it's reputedly caustic and causes excess salivation anyway, making it easier to cock up).

It doesn't behave like street 'heroin' on the foil so you might need to get used to the technique, but seriously - try chasing just a little.
 
NAh defionotely geeling somehting off mylast dose, i think it was knock who said iys an all or nothing ewffect. I felt literally zero and now im pretty much gone, too kmy 25 mins to that i'm in a half mod,teag my 25 mins just to qriye this cirrecting usucsessfully spellcheck it
 
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