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I havent found anything yet that comes close to odt. Oxys could maybe substitute but im not rich enough to afford to take them more than once a month or something. Which i suppose would be quite a good thing. Dont want to be one of those people who looses everything - job, car, house etc to expensive drugs. Dont think theres too much danger of that.
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Oxy blows ODT out of the water by a country mile IMO. I tried ODT twice, just to be sure from different places. 250mg off each place and I didn't rate it. For some reason with DHC which makes me a bit spewy and constipated I can get an ok recreational high from about 120mg, which seems lower than most. ODT I ended up coming to the conclusion I needed about 100mg bombs for it to do much.

Even oxy the one time I had it went through 10 x 10mg oxynorm caps in a day, although overcooked it towards the end and KO'd for hours. Oxy is lush and as someone who doesn't really bother with opiates I would rather pay the price and get the nice clean bliss of oxy whereas I found ODT felt a bit eughy like DHC, not as bad but then the high for me wasn't as good.

Comparing ODT to Oxy is like comparing PV to meth. I think your all speaking more highly of it because your missing it and still have a bit of the fiend for it in the mind. I once uttered the words 'pv is better than meth or cocaine', but of course once your head clears a bit in hindsight it's nowhere near it!
 
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Oxy blows ODT out of the water by a country mile IMO. I tried ODT twice, just to be sure from different places. 250mg off each place and I didn't rate it. For some reason with DHC which makes me a bit spewy and constipated I can get an ok recreational high from about 120mg, which seems lower than most. ODT I ended up coming to the conclusion I needed about 100mg bombs for it to do much.

Even oxy the one time I had it went through 10 x 10mg oxynorm caps in a day, although overcooked it towards the end and KO'd for hours. Oxy is lush and as someone who doesn't really bother with opiates I would rather pay the price and get the nice clean bliss of oxy whereas I found ODT felt a bit eughy like DHC, not as bad but then the high for me wasn't as good.

Comparing ODT to Oxy is like comparing PV to meth. I think your all speaking more highly of it because your missing it and still have a bit of the fiend for it in the mind. I once uttered the words 'pv is better than meth or cocaine', but of course once your head clears a bit in hindsight it's nowhere near it!
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Not tried any Oxy, only o-dt, poppy pod tea, codeine (two or three times) and heroin (smoked, once, not very much).

Having given the poppy pod tea a good crack of the whip I can say I much prefer it to o-dt for recreational use. o-dt seems a bit two-dimensional in comparison. The morphine/codeine/thebaine mix in the tea is presumably tickling a wider range of receptors. At least that 's how it feels - lush is the word. The duration is similar, both make themselves felt for many hours, but pod tea's long tail seems fuller and warmer.

Can't say o-dt ever felt "eughy" or unclean to me. On the contrary it felt very clean. It can make you puke, but that's normally a five minute interlude in an otherwise wholly positive experience, and even the puking feels pretty good! Yeah, 100mg is about right for a sedative dose of o-dt, but that's the dose, not sure why you'd incorporate the size of a dose into a qualitative review of a drug, except if it was so large or small as to be impractical or unpleasant, or if it made a dose significantly more expensive than the alternatives.

If o-dt was available I would still get some though. Strangely, I've never nodded off pod tea quite like I nodded off o-dt. I've had "true hallucinations" from o-dt the like of which I've not had with any other drug at all. I was surprised. And it's much easier to stick some o-dt solution up your bum than prepare and choke down a cup or two of bitter, bitter tea.
 
I read on here before I took it 50mg should get you in a good place, but yet 3 x doses of 50mgs the first time and I was left feeling 'meh'. Even the second time when I did 100mg doses I just wasn't really seeing it as euphoric or anything, just not that recreational, would rather DHC even though they feel spewy. Guess opiates just aren't my thing really though.
 
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I read on here before I took it 50mg should get you in a good place, but yet 3 x doses of 50mgs the first time and I was left feeling 'meh'. Even the second time when I did 100mg doses I just wasn't really seeing it as euphoric or anything, just not that recreational, would rather DHC even though they feel spewy. Guess opiates just aren't my thing really though.
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I've often said that 50mg is a useful dose if you're after mood-lift and gentle stimulation. In fact I've often taken 35mg doses. It's not sedative at these low doses though, 80mg+ for sedation IME.

Oh and of course unless you're injecting or putting it up your bum it can take forfuckingever to feel the effects. If you've had a big meal, you might not feel it properly at all!
 
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Modafinil seems to interact interestingly with shitalin. In fact it makes shitalin quite bearable, upping the positive effects and eliminating the sketch, which was a big surprise as caffeine of all things goes tremendously badly with modafinil in quite small quantities.

One seems to potentiate or increase the duration of the other like MAD as I had 100mg of modafinil - shit modalert ones - yesterday morning at 7.30am, then two ultra-tiny lines of shitalin (I mean really small, probably one skinny matchstick divided into two) around 2 o'clock and I was still buzzing well into the night. Not a massive buzz by any means but I was verrrry awake and sharp and fluent in conversation (to the point where I thought other people might notice I was 'on something') and alcohol went down like water.

In that well-known article about a bunch of preppy meth users who have a statuette of a demon made out of yaba there's talk of using modafinil to ward off the sketchiness that sets in towards the end of a binge... I wonder if it's doing the same here.
 
Interesting, jancrow. I've been reading up on modafanil's psychopharmacology but it still seems like no one actually knows exactly what is responsible for it's effects. Maybe something to do with it's histaminergic action? Who knows. Glad it was a positive experience!

Knock, I nod like crazy off o-dt, and at the time I had a 120mg oxycodone tolerance (don't ask about my o-dt dose or roa though :|). It seems another opioid where YMMV, very much so. Personally I loved it - not as much as oxycodone, but definitely not a million miles behind.
 
O-DT is legal but unavailable now and unlikely to be around again in the near future. Poppy tea - I believe is legal when it is in pod form but I suspect any attempt to make them into something to ingest may be illegal. Don't quote me on that though..
 
^well, yeah. but it's the preparation which i think would be illegal.

"stronger" is a relative term.. you need more weight/volume of poppy pods to get the same opioid action, but the concentration/ratios of opioid alkaloids in the pods varies.. both are pretty long lasting but poppy pod tea moreso, o-dt is easier to get a distinct "high" off. YMMV as always!
 
ok found a website selling it. seems like a winner for getting high, but not totally fucked, fucking myself, spending all my money, skyrocketing tolerance. or am i going to be totally underwhelmed like codeine or kratom? this is from a 2 point iv'd per day habit.
 
^ if you're shooting brown you're probably not going to get a lot from pods to be honest, although with the state of gear, maybe you will. it's another YMMV ting really.. it will never give you the oomf heroin/oxy/whatever does imo but it does provide a nice background opiatedness that lasts all day and it can be pretty noddy. beware overdoing it though, if you're not getting much from it - it's incredibly long lasting so chugging a load later in the day on top of some earlier in the day could be risky. a lot depends on the pods, too - you don't want old ones from the previous year's harvest if you can help it.
 
fair to say i've been getting pretty good shit. oh well, will see how it goes, right now 300mg codeine, or 7-8g grams of kratom takes the edge off the cravings pretty nicely. well, after 9 days of nothing (not that i was counting) 300mg codeine was a pretty good "ah". not really high tho, but that's probably good thing.
 
Oh yeah you've just reminded me I have some kratom on the way! Never tried it before, looking forward to it. How does one prepare it? I'm getting 50g "red thai" powdered leaf.

EDIT effie, I know heroin comes with a rush which pod tea will never deliver, and I'm not really that interested in the rush, it's the background glow and occasional noddy messiness that I love. Is the glow with stronger opiates (heroin*/oxy/etc) that much better? At the moment I can't imagine wanting more than I get from pod tea, it's so nice just as it is! Makes everything just perfect for hours on end :) :) :) The only improvement I can imagine is adding some 4-HO-MET for trippiness! that would be nice. Oh and of course 3-MeO-PCP makes it utterly stunning.

* as I said above I have tried heroin but it was a really small amount smoked, my pal spilled his beer on our bag :| before we got properly stuck in, and what I got off it was not much different to pod tea, just came on much quicker and lasted for a shorter period.

This is off-topic now, sorry!
 
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Just mix it with a bit of water and knock it back, have a drink on hand to wash it down.
 
cheers vader. Does 10g sound like a safe and noticeable starting kratom dose? I normally make my pod tea with two large giganteum pods. This doesn't get me nodding; two more gets me as close I've been to nodding with pods, and leaves me with a (fairly pleasant!) morphine hangover next day.
 
knockando I'd suggest doing some reading on the toss'n'wash method for the Kratom, and I will warn you that it tastes absolutely foul! If you don't have much of an opiate tolerence it might be nicer to mix it into a muller rice as I always used to find that a lot easier to get down.

As for O-DT, like a few others I loved the stuff and would say whilst it isn't as nice as Oxy, it isn't really that far off
 
O-dt is much nicer and more tolerable than kratom, which can be a bit hit n miss. However in this day and age it's either kratom or codeine linctus/CWE if you're not getting your opiates off the street.
 
knockando - i got 25g leaf and made tea. it fucking sucked. well, drank half, did not really do much besides take away flu, tried to drink other half and just gagged and threw it down the sink. i got capsules this time round, which are powder in gelatin capsules, could make your own if you got powder.
 
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