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[Vader]

I'm some guy with a computer who likes drugs, and that's about all I'm going to disclose on a public forum.

 

[Na'vi]

On another EPH note, not sure if it's been mentioned but it doesn't feel too healthy on the kidneys. It seems like a strong diuretic, I need to piss constantly. Does anyone else get this? Also, after a couple of heavy sessions I've noticed a bit of a dull ache going on in the kidney area for a day or two after as well. Again, anyone else experienced this?

 

[thecamelduluxe]

On another EPH note, not sure if it's been mentioned but it doesn't feel too healthy on the kidneys. It seems like a strong diuretic, I need to piss constantly. Does anyone else get this? Also, after a couple of heavy sessions I've noticed a bit of a dull ache going on in the kidney area for a day or two after as well. Again, anyone else experienced this?

I don't know about the kidney pains, but I did notice that I did need to piss all the time whilst taking it. It also gives me the sweats quite badly.

Although thinking about it it did make me drink a lot more water than I usually do

 

[StretchOutAndWait]

On another EPH note, not sure if it's been mentioned but it doesn't feel too healthy on the kidneys. It seems like a strong diuretic, I need to piss constantly. Does anyone else get this? Also, after a couple of heavy sessions I've noticed a bit of a dull ache going on in the kidney area for a day or two after as well. Again, anyone else experienced this?

I've no idea about the kidneys, but my friends and I have all found a slight abdominal cramping after dosing.

 

[rainey]

I am on 30mg right now insufflated and its very nice mellow coke like feeling. Nowhere near as speedy as mdpv very chilled and a very numbing feeling.

Notice a very vinegary smell to it and remember a friend once saying some of the better coke smells vinegar like. Not into coke myself and have no idea what point i`m trying to make lol

Deliciously confused right now. Dont get me wrong its nothing special but very nice considering its very very cheap.

Dark yellow/ light brown with marquis...immeadiate brown then fades quickly to a much lighter dirty yellow within 5 mins.

The taste in my mouth the feeling in my nose, throat etc and the numbness in my head mouth etc is VERY like coke

I`ve had 4mmc, m1, b1, dmc, pv, 4 bmc, 5-it, but this one is most definately the nearest thing to coke ever. Had over 55 rc`s in past 5 years!

Now had 46mg (4 for marquis) over 45-50mins. Didnt come on till maybe 20mins after first few lines.

 

[Shambles]

These straight stims are absolute muck. More fiend than fun where most people are concerned.

Bollocks.

Ahh! Yes! Most people. Agreed then.

Fuckin' pussies 8)

A stim that causes solely dopamine & adrenaline release or reuptake inhibition.

So basically as you initially guessed.... any non-serotonergic stim.

Really? Ain't Ye Olde Phet somewhat serty? Or is that just me wonky chemistry gone awry again? Was under the impression phet had a certain amount of serotogenics afoot... possibly hence it's greater popularity compared with the more... peevish variety o' stims. Sure I'm far off the mark though. Chemistry is not really ma thang

That aside, have also seen this one about of late but yet to sample. Never gotten around to a-ppp either for that matter. Should probably look elsewhere but anyone up to drawing a comparison betwixt the two? For purely educational purposes, naturally

 

[rockstar 69]

When I said straight stims I was more going along the lines of PV, naphyrone and all those other nasty psychosis enducing, anxiety ridden, delusional drugs. I'm not saying I never ever enjoyed PV, first time I tried a line I loved it. Some would say there is no euphoria even but if your a true stim fiend you'll probably find it. That said very quickly it turned sour, fiendish as fuck and by the second or third day of a binge I'm hitting the paranoia, looking like shite etc. Obviously this goes on for weeks, maybe even months on and off til you officially lose the plot. Not worth it at all, I'd rather have my sanity and never go back to the mess I put myself in with that stuff.

I would say phet does have some seratonin activity going on. Nowhere near that of MDMA, meph etc. But I think both phet and cocaine release a tiny amount of seratonin. Could be wrong though!

 

[Shambles]

Agreed on the phet. Definitely feels serty to me.

Also agreed on the peev et al (but peev is the Big Daddy of the dopastims and no mistake ) but disagree on the badness part. 'tisn't badness, 'tis Badness. Big difference. Separates the men from the boys

Or the flat-out wasters, the uberfried and the borderline psychotics from the got-better-stuff-to-dos, the lesserfiends and the few-years-to-go-til-psychosis-hits anyway

 

[rockstar 69]

It is psychosis in powder form

It would take me about a week of binging solid on strong phet to get into as much of a paranoid psychotic mess as I can achieve in just 3 days of PV abuse. That said it probably doesn't help that I usually end up boshing 100mg of diaz a day to help keep the sanity so I can continue binging..great idea..8)

 

[auto448]

Ain't it just brill, etizolam? :D

Not worth acquiring an addiction to, though. 15 days of use for me left me with the shakes for a few days after, was pretty crushing. Longer periods of use develop into physical addictions that can end up giving you seizures without a taper when you stop using.

Jesus how I wish for the days when a few mg of Etizolam effected me. Those days are a long gone memory. 20mg wouldn't touch the sides. Its put me off stims. I've no way to end a session except for booze which is a bit of a problem a the moment.

 

[angelsmoke]

How does everyone else feel about the new powdered EPH? I've only tried it twice now but it doesn't seem a patch on the crystal stuff, despite some saying they noticed no difference. Just seems much less euphoric for me. It's better on the nose, but just a bit.. meh. I almost get what people were saying before about the mood slump after dosing, I though y'all were crazy but who knows. The first batch for me was very euphoric, now I just feel stimmed with a bit of a gurn, chatty but hardly loving it.

Seems pretty similar to me, maybe the crystally stuff is slightly nicer. It's only my second time doing it: first time I got fine powder, this time I've got big chunky crystals. Also first time snorted it, this time bombed the whole session, so it's not really a fair comparison. Think I've had about the same amount of fun both times, but bombed/crystally seems less fiendish and edgy. That's probably just ROA difference though.

On another EPH note, not sure if it's been mentioned but it doesn't feel too healthy on the kidneys. It seems like a strong diuretic, I need to piss constantly. Does anyone else get this? Also, after a couple of heavy sessions I've noticed a bit of a dull ache going on in the kidney area for a day or two after as well. Again, anyone else experienced this?

Haven't had any diuretic effect -- though I'm not drinking a lot of water.

I did have a slight ache the day after -- but it could have been anything, I just notice aches and pains more after I've been abusing myself. Don't want to start a deluge of kidney damage fears!

 

[mydrugbuddy]

O-DT is what it is, which is basically a pretty mild, weak opioid, and that's fine. I'm talking about full agonists, the kind of things that people might substitute for heroin in the same way that meph was a viable alternative to coke or MDMA. .

I found od-t awesome and loved it, and didnt find it that mild or weak,, allbeit that was my introduction to opiates.. Ive since tried various other opis to see the differences, started off working my way up with pods and getting no high until reaching 6 huge pods which did donothing except send me to sleep. Codeine did nothing. Morphine sends me to sleep with no real high. Oxys are quite nice but i need 160 mg which is extremeley expensive. So not sure how weak o-dt is if as in my case if i needed about 150-200 mg of odt for a good high and 120- 160 of crushed oxycontin (which is considered to be a strong opioid i believe ? ) People are saying on other forums that o-dt is better than most of the street heroin around in the uk atm, although from waht i gather that may not be saying very much either..

Fucks sake, i could have just said that i find odt to be only slightly weaker than oxycontin on a mg to mg basis.

 

[Mugz]

ODT was a joy, it was 10x better than anything you can get OTC and I don't have much opiate experience to compare, but I tried heroin a couple of times and ODT was pretty great and I wouldn't put much difference between the two to be honest.

 

[mydrugbuddy]

Ive not tried heroin tbh. Since odt disappeared off the market ive just been getting whatver opiates i can get hold of without bankrupting myself. Simillar to Knockando i had a 'love affair' with odt. I was bowled over. I got over the physical withdrawls from running out of o-dt in 3-4 days, but was in no way prepared for the depression and sense of loss which came afterwards, which ive since learnt is known as PAWS. Funnily enough this is best releieved by sourcing more opiates lol.

I havent found anything yet that comes close to odt. Oxys could maybe substitute but im not rich enough to afford to take them more than once a month or something. Which i suppose would be quite a good thing. Dont want to be one of those people who looses everything - job, car, house etc to expensive drugs. Dont think theres too much danger of that.

 

[FlippingTop]

I thought that ODT was just a legal version of Tramadol? i.e. same effects? Or did I get that wrong...

 

[knock]

I thought that ODT was just a legal version of Tramadol? i.e. same effects? Or did I get that wrong...

It's one of the metabolites of tramadol. It is responsible for much of tramadol's µ-receptor agonism. It lacks the serotonin releasing properties of tramadol. As such the effects are a bit different. Weight-for-weight a dose of o-dt will have stronger opioid effects and you can take high doses without the seizure risk of tramadol. Apparently.

 

[mydrugbuddy]

I thought that ODT was just a legal version of Tramadol? i.e. same effects? Or did I get that wrong...

I think you did. Tramadol is converted by the liver into odt. Odt has far stronger binding affinity at opiate receptors. And it doesnt mess with serotonin or risk causing seizures either.

 

[SpecialK_]

What's actually happened to O-DT? Has it just disappeared? All this hype has me interested.

 

[Mugz]

manufacturing issues apparently, not sure on the specifics though, talking about specifics would probably border on synthesis discussion too, just issues with manufacturing it is the problem.

 

[33Hz]

Got some Allylescaline on the way. Been wanting to try it for ages now. Sounds like a winner from the trip reports in PiHKAL.

QUALITATIVE COMMENTS: (with 24 mg) “I first became aware of something in about 10 minutes, a pleasant increase in energy. By 20 minutes it was getting pronounced and was a nice, smooth development. During the next hour positive and negative feelings developed simultaneously. Following a suggestion, I ate a bit of food even though I had not been hungry, and to my surprise all the negative feelings dropped away. I felt free to join the others wherever they were at. I moved into the creative, free-flowing kind of repertoire which I dearly love, and found everything enormously funny. Much of the laughter was so deep that I felt it working through buried depressions inside me and freeing me. From this point on, the experience was most enjoyable. The experience was characterized by clear-headedness and an abundance of energy which kept on throughout the day and evening. At one point I went out back and strolled along to find a place to worship. I had a profound sense of the Presence and great love and gratitude for the place, the people, and the activities taking place. The come-down from the experience was very gradual and smooth. Food tasted wonderful. I went to bed late, and quite ready for bed, although the energy was still running. However, sleep was not long in coming.”

(with 24 mg) “The onset was extremely gradual and graceful, with the first alert that one could really sense at about 50 minutes. This was succeeded by a slow gentle climb to the peak at one hour and fifteen minutes. The experience itself left all of the sensory modalities functional; speech was cogent and rather fluid. In fact, there was an unusual ease of free association. All throughout the session, the talk was high in spirits and somehow indicative of an inner excitement. Affect was entirely pleasant, but not exalting nor conducive to insight or to problem solving. There were no requirements for withdrawal into the self. The material seemed wholly social in nature. No visual, auditory or olfactory sharpening was in evidence. The plateau for this material seemed unusually long. I was unable to sleep for several hours, and took 25 mg Librium before sleep arrived. The next day was a lethargic and slow one, with the inner feeling that the effects had not worn off until the middle of the day following ingestion.”