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4-FA is a dismal failure any way you choose to take it.

I did the self-diagnosed 'ADD' self-medication schtick with 4-FA for a while and it just didn't work after a very short time indeed. YMMV I guess...

Depends what you guys mean by "work". 60 mgs daily never failed me to give me an edge in report writing and other office duties, for me it was like taking my multi-vitamin in the morning, I wasn't looking nor getting a buzz from it.

I found it perfect as an ADD replacement, actually one of the best I tried. Butylone is too manic and speedy, 2-FA wasn't on the market yet back then, otherwise I would have used that.

As I said in that dose range, you still feel increased concentration, motivation and makes writing easier and faster. Even after months of daily use.
 
I agree with Sammy G. 4-FA for me is more an entactogen, without social interaction and an open mind it is useless. It distracts me from work and when I took it alone, it would create the most empty feeling in me, letting me stare at the screen, waiting for it to end. Nevertheless it caused a serotonergic hangover. So it was a lose-lose-situation for me. =D

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The different experiences make me wonder, whether for 4-FA the effects depend on the type of isomer to a high extend.
 
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Made you feel empty? for me its like a weak-ish cross between speed and mdma, music enhancement, tingly, stimulated, feeling good, then it pretty quickly stops working properly if overdone... then i feel almost nothing off it so it becomes pointless until i have a break from it... also gives me a headache sometime... cant even recall feeling empty of it though. serotonergic hangover after 3+ days in a row
 
Not me. It made me feel exactly the opposite after about three days.

I found it the best for ADD, I would choose 4-FA over dexies or adderall anyday.

One dose daily, under 60mgs, with green tea on the side, in my experience it's the best upper I found for concentration.

But then I used to write essays for uni on half pills and small amounts of MDMA, I'm just different, or maybe my productivity needs a little serotonin to be triggered, fuck knows.

By the way after those six months of daily 4-FA I discovered pv, then it was almost nine months of constant use, but I stopped being productive, well stopped working as well, and just OCD obsessed over stuff in typical pv fashion. My first month on pv, when I was doing it in 10 mg capsules, oral, taken for work, I was actually productive, once I started other ROAs, it all went to shit
 
Made you feel empty? for me its like a weak-ish cross between speed and mdma, music enhancement, tingly, stimulated, feeling good, then it pretty quickly stops working properly if overdone... then i feel almost nothing off it so it becomes pointless until i have a break from it... also gives me a headache sometime... cant even recall feeling empty of it though. serotonergic hangover after 3+ days in a row

Yeah, it made me feel kinda "I want to talk to people but I have focken obligations" - empty. Perhaps empty was the wrong expression. More like a deadlock. I was after the stimulant effects, but 4-FA is a too weak stimulant at low doses (30-60mg), at least the batch I had. It is only suitable for partying IMHO.
 
Well fuck knows what is the matter with my brain chemistry I love it..my favourite current drug.4-fa.180mg dose then 2 hours later. same dose...anymore than that in say a 12 hour period do feel a bit sick thoughFeels amazing when I am on my own and when out too..more confident, sociable even..I giggle and smile alot on it..comedowns after a couple days use.haven't given me almighty comedowns like of other substances...in fact it has this bizarre effect of making me feel really happy for days after I stop. And even then no major dip..mix it with booze not such a positive outcome but still not so bad..

Just goes to show we are such different creatures....one drag on a joint and I am quivering, paranoid, self doubting verging on suicidal...
Strange.
 
Yeah, it made me feel kinda "I want to talk to people but I have focken obligations" - empty. Perhaps empty was the wrong expression. More like a deadlock. I was after the stimulant effects, but 4-FA is a too weak stimulant at low doses (30-60mg), at least the batch I had. It is only suitable for partying IMHO.

60mgs for me was the perfect office dose, noboby suspects anything, you look completely sober but my focus and concentration and productivity would be increased by a lot, it's interesting that I managed to keep on getting good effects for a long time while it's not the case for others.

Obviously I wasn't looking for a buzz, just a motivational aid, a role which it did brilliantly.

Now I haven't done in a while, the last few times were disappointing, with me taking idiot doses like 300mgs all in one go and having a rough comedown.

It can definately make you feel depleted after heavy doses though, just as much as MDMA, in recreational doses though, when you go through a gram in a couple of days.
 
On 25mg oral I would literally be buzzing for about 5 hours, peaking after 2. Productive for 7h+ if kept away from social interaction & food. The only drug I've ever felt the need to eat on. I only used it a couple of times over about 2 months.
Gutted I only bought 500mg ages ago, left with 70mg tops. Hopefully with 25mg having such an effect on me, it'll be enough in a combo. Maybe I'll see about getting some more at the end of the summer...
 
Just goes to show we are such different creatures....one drag on a joint and I am quivering, paranoid, self doubting verging on suicidal...
Strange.

Same, cant stand it anymore... used to quite like it years ago... then it turned into uncomfortable, anxious, overthinking, etc, hate the stuff now
 
what the fuck is this 2-(tert-butylamino)-1-(3-chlorophenyl)propan-1-one or 3-CBP a noid i would guess

3-MeOMC; 3-Methoxymethcathinone
1-(3-methoxyphenyl)-2-(methylamino)propan-1-one

3-MeOMC is a positional isomer of Methedrone. Also known as 3-Methoxymethcathinone. It is a reseach chemicals with formula C11H15NO2. Formula weight of 3-MeOMC is 229.7.
Nothing much is known about this research chemical. The molecular weight of this chemical is 193.24

could this be what meph heads are looking for ?

sorry just clicked its methedrone not mephedrone sorry about that

any one ?
 
Well fuck knows what is the matter with my brain chemistry I love it..my favourite current drug.4-fa.180mg dose then 2 hours later. same dose...anymore than that in say a 12 hour period do feel a bit sick thoughFeels amazing when I am on my own and when out too..more confident, sociable even..I giggle and smile alot on it..comedowns after a couple days use.haven't given me almighty comedowns like of other substances...in fact it has this bizarre effect of making me feel really happy for days after I stop. And even then no major dip..mix it with booze not such a positive outcome but still not so bad..

Just goes to show we are such different creatures....one drag on a joint and I am quivering, paranoid, self doubting verging on suicidal...
Strange.

It has the same effect on me. Days after I can still feel 'better'
 
3-MeOMC didn't make such a splash in Sweden last year, when it was available for a short while. Think it's back again, but no one's rating it very highly.
 
I've always liked the sound of this 4fa- when I read descriptions of its effects it sounds like the perfect drug but unfortunately it's not a type of rug I can indulge in :)

You're really not missing much at all. Most over-hyped substance in recent EADD history.

I was sick of it two years ago, but not because I'm trying to be cool or anything; just because it ain't all that.

I found it the best for ADD, I would choose 4-FA over dexies or adderall anyday.

Do you mind me asking whether you have actual ADD, or self diagnosed (E)ADD, as seems to be all the rage around here? :D

Sorry to be intrusive, but I just can't see why anybody would choose 4-FA for ADD (or ADD-like) symptoms, apart from possibly in the very short term. Trust me, I tried.
 
You're really not missing much at all. Most over-hyped substance in recent EADD history.

I was sick of it two years ago, but not because I'm trying to be cool or anything; just because it ain't all that.



Do you mind me asking whether you have actual ADD, or self diagnosed (E)ADD, as seems to be all the rage around here? :D

Sorry to be intrusive, but I just can't see why anybody would choose 4-FA for ADD (or ADD-like) symptoms, apart from possibly in the very short term. Trust me, I tried.

I'm actually diagnosed with adult ADD and was offered Ritalin. A doctor confirmed the diagnosis just last week.

The reason? Adderrall and dexies I would just crush and snort, thus ending in a wankathon...no work done.

With 4-FA and low dose MDMA, I get increased productivity, my ability to concetrate on tasks is vastly improved and my writing skills go on the up, even with repeated long-term daily use.

For me 4-FA was always a productivity tool rather than a recreational substance, unless I was mixing it with methylone.

On it's own even after 250mgs bombs it never really hit all the right spots, I find the best substance to focus and do stuff(intellectual work).

I mean in uni I would choose MDMA at low doses over speed for essay writing, you're much more in control of what you write, with straight amp, I just go off the tangent, off topic, with huge paragraphs, plus I reckon both 4-FA and MDMA help creative writing, not only producing work reports.

It's a long chat we could have on the topic man.

My first ever assignment in uni was a book review on Adam Smith, did it on a pink heart, first a quarter, then another at the end of the essay I'd gone through the whole pill. Massive aid in concetration.
 
I'd advise you to go down the Ritalin route, seriously. I know the 4-FA seems to be working for you, but that stuff is guaranteed future depression and sketchiness in powder form. Plus, I really think you're overestimating its creative benefits; it made me productive too, but it also warped my perceptions in a subtle but long-lasting way, to the point where everything seemed fantastic. Apart from a few days later when the comedown kicked in.
 
I'd advise you to go down the Ritalin route, seriously. I know the 4-FA seems to be working for you, but that stuff is guaranteed future depression and sketchiness in powder form. Plus, I really think you're overestimating its creative benefits; it made me productive too, but it also warped my perceptions in a subtle but long-lasting way, to the point where everything seemed fantastic. Apart from a few days later when the comedown kicked in.

I have abandoned 4-FA mate, haven't touched it in like a year at least, and I won't order it anymore as it's now banned in my country.

I can still get 2-FA as we don't have an analogue law. By the way at some point it did stop working, my experiences of using it as an ADD self-med go back to 2009/10, those days. Back then I did use it like crazy though, used to buy 5 grams at a time and sit there preparing dozens and dozens of capsules to bring in at work.

I hate Ritalin, tried it, never again.

I'm off the trying to be productive with amphetamines phase
 
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