New (and less new) RCs - Alphabet Soup

[Sammy G]

Isn't that just a little bit overkill? It's duplicating information which is easy enough to find elsewhere.

These threads tend to lean toward informal discussion of the effects of various RCs, rather than serving as a 'proper' information resource, like a Big & Dandy Thread would.

 

[Sammy G]

I know what you're saying, and ideally these things would be more readily accessible for those who don't want to search around for whatever reason, but I still think it's over the top and creates a lot of unnecessary work for staff for not much (if any) real benefit.

Good for HR? Maybe so, but isn't it better for HR if people are encouraged to actually do some research on what they might be taking? I would hate to think that anyone would regard BL (as a whole) as their one-stop-shop for information, let alone just EADD!

TL;DR: UTFSE.

 

[Sammy G]

Nearly? :D

I like it.

 

[Chatative]

I'm not too sure about the usefulness of doing separate threads.

RCs come & go, with not many remaining popular or legal for long periods of time. I think keeping them together will generate more discussion as otherwise, depending on the focus of the RC market, threads will get forgotten & people will be less likely to reply. Maybe I am being pessimistic.

I'm still waiting for my MXP to hit me - I've got some mood lift but naught else. I've taken 70mg, followed by another 30mg 15 minutes ago. It's been 2 hours since I first dosed... I did notice some people getting delayed reactions, so we shall see what happens. I left 2 hours after my lunch before dosing but I ate quite a lot this morning, so perhaps that's having an impact.

 

[Sammy G]

Sold!

 

[Vurtual]

That book sounds interesting. Is it worth a read?

Fairyland is well worth a read (all Paul McAuley is good but that's his best). Might be a touch dated now, but not much really - definitely a must if you like drug-influenced science fiction.

In a similar vein, two more up to date books i've liked are Nexus and the follow up Crux by Ramez Naam: These are all about this Nexus technology which is a sort of nano-tech thing that communicates with your neurons, allowing you to run software to augment and add abilities to the brain. The story follows a bunch of programmers who hack the technology to use it for telepathic rave-type things - they also develop it and release it open source. Of course the story also includes govenrments trying to keep the tech to themselves and use it for horrible purposes (like turning you into mind controlled assassins etc.). It's an excellent readable story that intelligently explores loads of the issues that this tech would throw up. It's all pretty feasible too - the author is a computer scientist of some sort and it's based on up coming technology (which he outlines in the appendix). I think this will be a prophetic book. (sorry for another sf ot

 

[Shambles]

Regarding the 6-apdb.. do you have any harm reduction organisation that will test substaces?

I do as a matter of fact

http://www.wedinos.org/index.html

Slight issue being they only test samples sent in from people with a Welsh postcode (it's a Welsh organisation and not sure why they are so parochial but presume it's summat to do with funding probably - can't imagine what else it would be). As such, not much use if you don't happen to live in Wales or know anybody that does. FWIW, I do happen to live in Wales but have yet to send samples of anything in and is obviously only relevant if of the same batch.

Mods - should we maybe break down the RC thread into a directory ?

RC stims
RC sedatives
RC Dissociatives

Bit of a knife edge as we do not want to be seen to be promoting any RC BUT It would be great if a new user was able to look at the RC list with a vague understanding of what they are looking for.

Not a bad suggestion at all, Bear. Will discuss with other mods but would be great to get feedback from people who use this thread as it is and let us know if a more split and structured set of RC threads would be better or prefer to keep it as a one-stop shop. Seems like a rather sensible suggestion to me, only minor issue I could think of is maybe being a bit thin individually and that many people use several types of RC and may like to keep it all together to keep things simple and - as has been mentioned - helps to generate discussion having more content. Of course it would be an entirely different form of simple split up too. I certainly have no objections to splitting in future but would be a complete nightmare to try and separate them out from the existing threads due to the number of mixed-type posts present so far. It's certainly something that could be changed in future though if folk would rather it that way. Keep the feedback coming please, folks

This has allegedly already popped up a few times.

How damnably intriguing...

 

[Septonn]

only minor issue I could think of is maybe being a bit thin individually and that many people use several types of RC and may like to keep it all together to keep things simple and - as has been mentioned - helps to generate discussion having more content.

Even though I'm more of a reader than a poster in this thread I agree

 

[Chatative]

I'm still waiting for my MXP to hit me - I've got some mood lift but naught else. I've taken 70mg, followed by another 30mg 15 minutes ago. It's been 2 hours since I first dosed... I did notice some people getting delayed reactions, so we shall see what happens. I left 2 hours after my lunch before dosing but I ate quite a lot this morning, so perhaps that's having an impact.

Well, I discovered first-hand that 2-MeO-Diphenidine has a wicked dose/response curve as I had read in the PD thread... I ended up taking a total of 220mg.

I felt absolutely nothing other some mild waves of euphoria & feeling warm until I got up to 180mg. I'd dosed 40mg twice spaced around 45 minutes apart after reaching 100mg at the 2 hour mark. It was 4 hours in that I eventually tipped over... by that point my inhibitions were sufficiently gone that I stupidly took my last 40mg just as I started to feel disassociated. That was fine for half an hour or so until I spewed when that last dose caught up with me.

However, following a lie down that seemed to have helped as I ended up with a clear, introspective phase for around an hour before I started getting waves of euphoria again. I then tried to eat something, spewed again & lay in bed for around 5 hours until I eventually got some sleep.

As seems to be the case for all dissociatives with me, if I take even 1mg too much I miss the sweet spot & I spew...

I think I'll be leaving this one alone for a while. It is interesting in it's own right & has some potential but I have a feeling it is very hit & miss dose wise.

If I can be bothered I will post a full trip report in said forum.

 

[bummer]

^ I've yet to read anything about these 2 new dissos that actually makes them sound fun

 

[Sammy G]

From my experience (admittedly only with diphenidine) they really aren't fun.

Occasionally absorbing, maybe, but hardly fun. I hear methoxphenidine is almost identical in terms of effects.

 

[Swarm]

What do you think might be the reasons behind those seizures and hospitalizations? Would take a benzo together with the MXP lower the chances of seizures?

Hey mate sorry for slackness of response and thanks for compliment. I would think the seisures would definitely be down to the stimulating properties of mxp. I think mxp might be a little like mexxy in that it has to be treated with caution, expecially when combining with other stims.

sorry if others have already responded - am just catching up with thread.

peace mate

S

 

[Swarm]

From my experience (admittedly only with diphenidine) they really aren't fun.

Occasionally absorbing, maybe, but hardly fun. I hear methoxphenidine is almost identical in terms of effects.

Don't find that at all sammy. From my experience, diphenidine is cold while mxp is warm and can be quite beautiful.

A couple of days back I dropped 100mg of Diphenidine while at the later stages of a fairly heavy mxe session and the results where good. I think diphen is a decent dissociative but needs something warm over which to overlay , so to speak.

 

[Sammy G]

I think diphenidine is a useless pile of wank.

Each to their own though, eh?

 

[Shambles]

Don't find that at all sammy. From my experience, diphenidine is cold while mxp is warm and can be quite beautiful.

Completely agree - they're very, very different drugs. First time I had MXP it shot straight up my list of fave dissos - possibly to the heights of second only to ketamine. That was the time it repeated on me for several days afterwards. Second time I used it I was more conservative with dosing after hearing more about health concerns and couldn't really get anything like as good an effect. Ended up flushing it cos didn't trust myself not to dose high again which seems less than wise. Is a shame, but - for me at least - the dose required to make it truly worthwhile is well up into (and frankly way beyond) the levels that have caused concern in others (hospitalisations and such) and I simply don't trust the stuff enough to repeat the experience no matter how amazing it was. It most certainly was amazing though. Is one that really does need proper safety testing done on it for it to be of much use. If it could be properly tested and somehow passed with flying colours it would be back up at second only to ketamine in my book.

 

[SilentRoller]

For anyone who cares, must of done about 300mg 6-APDB last night.....All I can say is that will rank as the single, best drug experience of my life. Long story short, I was tripping & rushing insanely hard at the same time, whilst also unable to see for eye wiggles for HOURS & HOURS. It is what imagine those old MDA snowballs must of been like, as I was almost delirious at points, finding myself in parts of the house that I can't remember ever walking to.

Fucking amazing.....

 

[GodSpeedK]

A relevant doc: http://topdocumentaryfilms.com/legally-high/

 

[ColtDan]

For anyone who cares, must of done about 300mg 6-APDB last night.....All I can say is that will rank as the single, best drug experience of my life. Long story short, I was tripping & rushing insanely hard at the same time, whilst also unable to see for eye wiggles for HOURS & HOURS. It is what imagine those old MDA snowballs must of been like, as I was almost delirious at points, finding myself in parts of the house that I can't remember ever walking to.

Fucking amazing.....

That sounds wicked!!

dunno if my seretonin would handle something like that these days lol

 

[MrPorter]

For anyone who cares, must of done about 300mg 6-APDB last night.....All I can say is that will rank as the single, best drug experience of my life. Long story short, I was tripping & rushing insanely hard at the same time, whilst also unable to see for eye wiggles for HOURS & HOURS. It is what imagine those old MDA snowballs must of been like, as I was almost delirious at points, finding myself in parts of the house that I can't remember ever walking to.

Fucking amazing.....

Holy crap, one dose?

 

[SilentRoller]

Holy crap, one dose?

No. My first dose was 155mg weighed with a scale, and I weighed the 1st re-dose out with a scale before dropping (50mg)...good HR indeed. What proceeded to happen that whilst absolutely shitfaced and unable to see for eye-wiggles, I continued to re-dose a further 3 times, just tipping out tiny amounts from the bag, into a rizla (I did check the amounts were small though!).

As for how I feel, I feel good I have a bit of mushy head (head-cold) and a bad case of the APDB shits, but all is well Heart rate is still a bit high though, although that is to be expected. I hope I'm not in for a shit comedown on day 3 now. It's been nearly 2 days since dropping.