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Tri-nity said:
"Don't mess with a neddle or a spoon"
Well, I guess you could use a bottle cap (peal out that rubber seal thing) instead of messing with a spoon, but how the fuck are you supposed to inject sans needle?

Obviously this person isn;tasking IF he should bang, he is asking HOW to get it right ...
 
Chyah said:
I think I have 2 abcesses, I looked ont he website and they fit 4 out of the 6 things. Is there anyway I can get it treated without insurance or anything, im under 18. Like could I get it treated at a free clinic?

OR you could just have some swelling from the missed shot. Where do you think that liquid is going to? The liquid will sit under the skin for a period of time as it is slowly absorbed. As for the nerve numbing, I doubt you actually hit a nerve, as the pain from doing so would be incredible; however, the pressure on the nerve endings from the liquid under your skin could be causing some numbness. All these symptoms are temporary and should go away within a day or two. If your swelling doesn't start to dissipate then follow the other's advice and go to the doctor and get some antibiotics.
 
I wouldn't recommend treating your own abscesses. There's the chance of spreading the infection and making it worse, increasing scarring etc.

Have you ever personally dealt with an abcess before? If you can adequately treat an abcess on your own, this is preferable. Going to a doctor and showing them an injection site that will heal on its own is not only a waste of time, but may negatively effect your medical record. What is a doctor going to do other than give you some bactroban, some anti-biotic or lance the abcess? If you can do all this on your own, and if you know what your doing, by all means treating your own abcess is best. Of course, if it serious, which would be obvious, say if you have a fever and are vomiting, you should seek medical intervention.
 
there is a HUGE difference between swelling caused my a missed shot and an abcess. The pain associated with an abcess is extemely intense I dont see how anybody could actually slice, drain, and pack it with gauze themselves. The last time I had an abcess the pain was so insane I never dealt with pain like that before.

A missed shot will bother you for a few days but it will eventually subside, with an abcess (in my cases) I did not get any out-of-the-normal swelling after the first shot or even the first day. On day 2, my arm felt sore and a dull irratating pain starting throbbing than it got to the point where the whole crook of my arm couldnt be moved with out pain, swelling started but it was more like swelling recieved from a bee sting not a missed shot. I felt I should go to the doctor immediately instead I decided to wait till morning so I could re-up on dope and be prepared for the worst. In the morning I had swelling the size of golfball in the crook of my arm, the dull aching pain was just that painful. The swelling was all red and not at all normal. So off to the hospitol to have it sliced open and drained and than packed with gauze. I recieved a script for Cephalexin 500mg (4 times daily for 10 days).

A major difference between a missed bang and a abcess is the pain involved. Missed shots start to clear up after a couple days where abcess's just start to appear after a couple days...
 
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negrogesic said:
Have you ever personally dealt with an abcess before?

Yes. I've dealt with hundreds of abscesses over the years.

If you can adequately treat an abcess on your own, this is preferable. Going to a doctor and showing them an injection site that will heal on its own is not only a waste of time, but may negatively effect your medical record.

A doctor will prescribe antibiotics, as well as showing the person the correct way to drain and pack the abscess, and give them sterile gauze, saline etc. You can drain and pack them yourself (if you know what you're doing), but this won't always heal an abscess. And an abscess will almost never heal on its own.

There's no reason to be so scared of seeking medical treatment. The abscesses that people try to treat themselves are the ones that turn into some of the nastiest infections. When it can be treated so easily by a doctor, why not see one?
 
When my grandad was sick with sick with cancer the nurse poked him about 4-5 times trying to find a vain but with no luck, he had many abseses, needless to say I wasn't happy at the nurse
 
Doctors simply dont like IV users, from my experience. I dont like the way they treat you, especially those stupid nurses. If i can obtain the antibiotics on my own, and know how to drain the abcess correctly, I see no reason to go through the hassle of seeing some stigmatizing asshole physician. I suppose I can understand their reason for being annoyed by some kid who was just trying to get high and fucked up, taking time away from people who didnt self-inflict their wounds. Nevertheless, if I have the situation under control, I dont find it necessary to deal with their frustration. Maybe you've encountered more understanding medical personel, but I havent. Of course, if im sick with a fever and I know I have a serious infection, I will seek treatment. But for the average easily self-treatable abcess, I see no reason for going to a doctor, so as long as you know how to correctly treat it and have the ability to differentiate between something treatable and something more serious. A few times, I have seen a doctor because of a serious abcess that didnt respond to self treatment, but if i went to a doctor every time i missed a shot, jesus christ.......
 
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maybe I am not differentiating between a swollen missed shot an a abcess. I was told that if I didn't take care of this when I did the puss and bacteria in the abcess could leak into my blood stream and cause endocarditis. Which they consequently told me I have, how they knew this with out blood tests I dont know. Also I hear you about the discrimination about being a junky when dealing with ER people, they were completely inconsiderate and tried to look down on me (Ha fuck um, HA). I heard them talking in the background and one was like blahblahlbha he is a junky dont, I repeat do not give him any meds for pain, wtf? That pain was so goddamn insane, even the few bags I shot before entering did nothing to squash the pain of the scapel. I even got the nurse to admit that using a pain killer is generally used during the procedure. All I got was 3 shots of a local numbing agent, huge needle. Three times that bitch stuck that big needle right dab into that abcess, I almost punched her. Anyways enough of the run on sentences.

But for the average easily self-treatable abcess

I am confused, I shot dope for over 10 years with out having to seek medical attention for an abcess or anything relating to a missed shot (which I have probably had 1000's). I have had tons of lumps from pill shots or missed crack shots along with many achy, swollen, lumpy arms from missing a bang but only 2 times have I had an abcess, just curious as to what a average treatable abcess means? I might have had abcesses in the past and just not got any help for them but I wouldnt even THINK of trying to treat the last 2 I have had at home.

Anybody have a picture sight that I could look at different abcesses? I am just curious about how bad mine was. (I am not addicted to abcess porn honest). Sorry about the shitty writing but I had an unfortunate accident this afternoon, I was bike riding and I rode right into this metal wire suspended from 2 trees, caught me right in the face, flipped me off of my bike and slashed my face all up. I had to stop at the parents house and grab some painkillers, the thought of scoring some heroin to kill the pain is BIG. babble on blah

How big is a average abcess?
 
Also I hear you about the discrimination about being a junky when dealing with ER people, they were completely inconsiderate and tried to look down on me (Ha fuck um, HA). I heard them talking in the background and one was like blahblahlbha he is a junky dont, I repeat do not give him any meds for pain, wtf?

Yea when I was hospitalized for a serious fracture in which the bone pierced through my skin requiring 2 surgeries, they were assholes about giving me painkillers, I told them I had a very high tolerance, and they gave me fucking 10mg of morphine every hour on one of those button things. I was used to shooting 3 oc80's at a time, which I repeatedly told them, then they told me I was lucky to get anything given my abuse history. To test this bitch nurse, i asked what is more potent, morphine or oxycodone, and of course she said morphine. I asked her for a fentanyl patch, and she said that a fentanyl patch is just morphine in patch form. Idiot. And yes, they refered to me as a "junky" as well. I never knew this was a medical term.....those fucking doctors..... I think its a crime to not give a person adequate pain relief, regardless of their abuse history. I am still very pissed about what they put me through..........

So, the point is, I wont go to some asshole doctor for some simple abcess or missed shot that I can easily treat with bactroban, a cold compress and antibiotics if I need it. If i have to drain it, I have no problem doing this. Again, like i said before, if I have a fever and have an obviously serious infection, I have no choice but to seek medical intervention.
 
blahblahblah: We take pictures of abscesses and injecting related mishaps at the needle exchage I work for. I'm getting them scanned and will post some soon. There's a few nasty abscesses there as well as the aftermath, which I'm sure will make everyone very nauseous, but I think if you've ever seen a really nasty one, you wouldn't hesitate in seeking medical treatment when one starts developing.

Just to clarify, there's a major difference between the little lumps and bumps from injecting, and an abscess.

Check out this website and the section on "lumps and bumps". It gives a good overview.

Abscesses are characterised by pain, swelling / risen area, redness / irritation, the site feels hot, and a white pus filled head (sometimes) or darkend area forms in the middle. If you are getting one of these abscesses, you should apply a warm or hot compress to the site early on to help kill any bacteria which is causing the infection.

Tablet injectors will often get sterile abscesses (one where no bacteria can be found). These are usually smaller and a little less painful than regular abscesses, and don't really feel hot.

I think negrogesic is talking about sterile abscesses, because they usually heal on their own without antibiotics, over time with the correct care. They also won't cause more severe symptoms like fever, septicemia (which can turn into endocarditis) etc. They'll scar a bit and sometimes foreign body granulomas are formed which stay permanently.

Major problems occur when someone doesn't treat a sterile abscess correctly and it ends up infected. Negrogesic's outline is really good for treating sterile abscesses.

Swab the site first (as much as it might hurt) and lance it with a sterile needle. Squeeze at the base until all the pus comes out. Clean with somekind of antibacterial cream, and pack with sterile gauze then bandage. It'll need to be drained, cleaned and packed like this daily until it heals.

Without the original poster explaining exactly what 4 symptoms they had, we can't really tell whether it's a sterile abscess or the regular variety. Seeing it's a novice user and people rarely look after their sterile abscesses properly, I think it's much safer to recommend medical treatment.

The person I mentioned in one of my earlier posts who's abscess I helped drain last week, was back today. After refusing medical treatment, the abscess has doubled in size (and I thought it was big last week), and is starting to turn black in a few places. I have a picture of this, and I'll post it with the rest of my abscess porn :)

The worst negative consequence of going to hospital is being treated badly by the staff (which they do), whereas the worst consequence of not treating an abscess is blood poisoning, gangrene, amputaion, and in the worst case scenario, death.

I know what option I'd be taking. :)
 
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"... I picked up needles yesterday, and had like 4 missed shots and have huge obvious bruises..."

be stable & dont shoot up after ur already high.

to eliminate blue marks, always put pressure on the injection site right after u take the needle out.

bebe original
 
blahblahblah said:
there is a HUGE difference between swelling caused my a missed shot and an abcess. The pain associated with an abcess is extemely intense I dont see how anybody could actually slice, drain, and pack it with gauze themselves. The last time I had an abcess the pain was so insane I never dealt with pain like that before.

A missed shot will bother you for a few days but it will eventually subside, with an abcess (in my cases) I did not get any out-of-the-normal swelling after the first shot or even the first day. On day 2, my arm felt sore and a dull irratating pain starting throbbing than it got to the point where the whole crook of my arm couldnt be moved with out pain, swelling started but it was more like swelling recieved from a bee sting not a missed shot. I felt I should go to the doctor immediately instead I decided to wait till morning so I could re-up on dope and be prepared for the worst. In the morning I had swelling the size of golfball in the crook of my arm, the dull aching pain was just that painful. The swelling was all red and not at all normal. So off to the hospitol to have it sliced open and drained and than packed with gauze. I recieved a script for Cephalexin 500mg (4 times daily for 10 days).

A major difference between a missed bang and a abcess is the pain involved. Missed shots start to clear up after a couple days where abcess's just start to appear after a couple days...

Exactly. All these people jump the gun and tell him to go to a doctor when they are most likly just missed shots.
 
Deus121 said:
Exactly. All these people jump the gun and tell him to go to a doctor when they are most likly just missed shots.

The original poster still hasn't told us what four symptoms they have which led to the self diagnosed abscess. I don't think you can assume it's just a missed shot until we know exactly what the symptoms are.

Until then, I'd recommend a doctor :)
 
i went to the doctor and i got antibiotics, i ended up having 3 abcesses
 
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I have to agree with blahblahblah - something I rarely do it seems ;) .. too many people think a missed-shot is more then it is .. give it some time, as soon as you notice you may be able to make the swelling go down with a hot compress .. if the pain worsens (and as blah said, the pain can be HORRIBLE!) and if you get sick or anything, then seek medical attention ..

As for "damaged medical records" .. go to the ER if it's bad... as of yet, most ER's are not linked, so travel a town or two over and you can be honest... if you go to yer local ER it will be noted and you shall get NOTHING to take home for pain except directions to take Tylenol or some shit ... if they have to really slice you open you *MIGHT* get a shot of demerol or something ... you can also go to your local doctor which should be much cheeper, that is, provided you're not getting anything "good" from him/her and have no plans to do so ... honestly, you will get a lecture but your doc SHOULD be understanding ... even better then an ER or your regular doc is one of the walk-in clinics, all over and (at this time) not linked ... contrary to popular belief, if you go to a doctor they have NO WAY of getting any of your other medical records unless you give them to yer doc, with the new HIPA laws in effect you have even MORE latitude ...

As for a fabricated story - if you look like an upstanding citizen you COULD possibly get away with a story about, for instance, going to have a tooth removed and a nurse misssed with the IV ... say something like she said it "infultrated" but you called the office and they said to seek medical help ... do this after hours JUST IN CASE yer doc/ER/etc... would want to call... it would help to have the name and (general) location of an oral surgical center... still, if it comes down to your fear of what a doctor will do (and they will do no more then lecture you and make a note in your chart) or your health, the latter should be the course of action...
 
I always have a store of antibiotics (I get colds really easilly, so I have like a years supply of pennicilin and ilk) While on the topic, would those, along with cleaning the injection site, help to stop an abcess before one forms if I miss a shot?
 
The majority of missed shots heal on their own within a few days.

If you have an actual abscess forming, then antibiotics will help stop it, but you'll need to be 100% sure of the diagnosis.

There are specific antibiotics more suited to treating abscesses too, I think. But I can't remember the names...

Don't go taking antibiotics after every missed hit, thats for sure. An abscess has very distinct symptoms, quite different from your average missed shot.

They're only required when there's an infection present (causing heat, pain, redness, swelling, pus / blood filled head, increasing in severity etc). When these symptoms are present, then the sooner you start antibiotics the better.

:)
 
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