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vikenRedbull

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I used to be on 80-100 mg of hydrocodene per day for about 1 year... I officially used some imodium and quit for maybe 2 months. Since then ive only got some norcos here n there usually weekends ( i know your gonna say thats the easiest way to get caught back up and maybe exceed my previous)) anyway im still able to take down 15-20 mgs of hydro and get right where i want to be,, no more than 20 at a time as i would get naucios..

My question is that i recently came across about 10 percocets 10mg of the oxy.. I figured id take 1 as i heard they are about 50 percent stronger feeling per mg which would essentially feel like 15mg of hydro... I also hear that the oxy is more speedy which i get major speedy from the hydro, i work in sales on the phone and its dynamite, oxy on the otherhand seemes to get me a little more naucious at first then a little upper but not as clean. This experence seems to be opposite from everything i read ( i know everyone reacts differently) but i feel im pretty knowledgable in the opiods pill form that i should get a cleaner more energized high than i have got the past two days... Im wondering if i should take more? As less seems it doesnt work.. Maybe take 1.5 or just trade them for some hydro and get out of the oxy scene.. I have done a roxi before and it was amazing

Whats going on with me hahah

Please save your one word answer of, "dont get into oxys" or dont get back into yada yada, i really value this site and the opinions of those here with experience

Thanks guys
 
Everyone reacts differently, like you even said. I'm on suboxone now and had been IVing heroin for the past few years, but when I was younger and into hydrocodon and oxy, it was ilke this. Hydro was much more sedating than oxy was for me. (We all know percocets and roxis are the same drug). Snorting a roxi or two or an OC 80 I would be very high and could potentially nod out if I was just lying down doing nothing, but at the same time it would motivate me to get things done, make me more talkative, etc. Personally I prefer the more sedating opioids such as herion, methadone, opana, etc.

But, if you are content with using hydro, there really isn't any reason to change your drug of choice.

And a question, when you were doing 100mg of hydro a day were you doing a cold water extraction? That much APAP would be very dangerous to take day in and day out.
 
The norcos only had 325apap per pill so i would usually take 1.5 in morning 2 midday 2 evening and 2 at night

Ive heard around the 3k of apap per dose is when you want to cwe, maybe for a days total too? Eitherway im not doing that amount anymore so once in a while ill drink some h2o to confuse my liver
 
i would say 2,000 or more mgs and you should do a CWE or plug since APAP is poorly absorbed when plugged. also i think 4,000 is the daily limit
 
4g is the limit but if you are taking daily, you wanna stay under 2g or start CWEing

Also, oxy is a bit speedier than hydro but is substantially stronger IME. Use potentiation techniques if you are not getting to where you think you should be.

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The limit varies widely from person to person.

Some can only handle 3g before they have issues. Others can take upwards of 6G and be totally fine.

I myself have taken 5g before, and 4g the days before/after that. I'm still here, although now whenever i take APAP my stomach gets kinda bloated :/

The point is, the # varies, hence why they lowered it. It is lower for women obviously as well. But its not a fixed #, its not like if you take more than 3000mg you will instantly die. In fact, they have had the # so low BECAUSE IT ENSURES safety. MOST(key word, most, do not take this as gospel, know your body!) only have SERIOUS SERIOUS ISSUES when you take like....8/10G+, or take obscene doses every day.

As for the other question, oxy is DEFINITELY MORE SPEEDY IMO. Hydro def gives me a more dopey feeling. I believe this is due to what substance they are derived from (ie thebaine, morphine, codeine, etc).
 
I'm not trying to worry or figure anything out regarding the apap let's not get sidetracked lol
I've used penetrators before I'll try with the Percs and see how they go
 
Just take one, and see what you think. No need to waste the pill it may be that one is plenty. If you don't think it is enough after an hour to hour and a half after taking it, take one or one half more.

Easy does it. It is no fun laying with your cheek on the cool tile of the bathroom floor cause it is coolest place in the house and you are sweating like a pig, feel like you are going to puke your brains out and are a little worried you might die. Not fun.
 
Opiates may give you energy but none of them are 'speedy' lol. Ever try coke or meth? Those are speedy.
 
laschenova said:
Just take one, and see what you think. No need to waste the pill it may be that one is plenty. If you don't think it is enough after an hour to hour and a half after taking it, take one or one half more.

Easy does it. It is no fun laying with your cheek on the cool tile of the bathroom floor cause it is coolest place in the house and you are sweating like a pig, feel like you are going to puke your brains out and are a little worried you might die. Not fun.
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ive had that to probably a less extent, but still... LAME
 
i find them both equally euphoric in their own sense. oxy hits me like a train and is more in your face, while hydrocodone is more subtle and sedative.

i still think heroin/morphine are ten times more euphoric than either of those though, especially when IVed
 
You asked for opiate expertise, i gave it to you.

Once again, i find thebaine derivatives the most speedy, specifically oxycodone and buprenorphine

I find morphine derived opiates to be most dopey. Morphine and heroin imo are the two most dopey, "noddsville" opiates around. I love morphine personally for this very reason (many people hate morphine, i LOVE IT). In fact, i caught more nods from morphine than any other opiate.

Codeine derived slightly less dopey than morphine. Hydrocodone to me is a bit of both, i've gotten; i have caught nods from it as well as gotten energy from 'em before (it is derived from both codeine AND thebaine).

Oxymorphone the exception to these rules; even though it is derived solely from thebaine, when i want it to be speedy it is, when i want it to be dopey it is. perfect opiate imo because of this. I never had "more energy" (I put it in quotes because it wasn't true real energy) than when i was on some good ol' opana. I worked my ass off, i did a billion fucking things, but then when i wanted to, i was able to check right the fuck out, and just chilllllll and possibly nod (although, ratio wise, in terms of use:nods, that opana gave me fewer nods than morphine).

And of course, opium, being from all the natural alkaloids, gives me the most interesting combo of effects. When I smoked opium the one or two times, felt like i was floating, in a slight cloud/haze almost, but at the same time like...i was able to do stuff? Make sense?

Anyway just my 2 cents all of this but i stand by my general idea: opiates derived from certain alkaloids give slightly different effects in terms of dopey feeling vs more speedy feeling.

Also not saying they are like meth or speed for that matter....just to ME they are 'more speedy' and anyone whos DOC is opiates KNOWS that they give you differing boosts in energy and effect.
 
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You asked for opiate expertise, i gave it to you.

Once again, i find thebaine derivatives the most speedy, specifically oxycodone and buprenorphine

I find morphine derived opiates to be most dopey. Morphine and heroin imo are the two most dopey, "noddsville" opiates around. I love morphine personally for this very reason (many people hate morphine, i LOVE IT). In fact, i caught more nods from morphine than any other opiate.

Codeine derived slightly less dopey than morphine. Hydrocodone to me is a bit of both, i've gotten; i have caught nods from it as well as gotten energy from 'em before (it is derived from both codeine AND thebaine).

Oxymorphone the exception to these rules; even though it is derived solely from thebaine, when i want it to be speedy it is, when i want it to be dopey it is. perfect opiate imo because of this. I never had "more energy" (I put it in quotes because it wasn't true real energy) than when i was on some good ol' opana. I worked my ass off, i did a billion fucking things, but then when i wanted to, it chilled me the fuck out.

And of course, opium, being from all the natural alkaloids, gives me the most interesting combo of effects. When I smoked opium the one or two times, felt like i was floating, in a slight cloud/haze almost, but at the same time like...i was able to do stuff? Make sense?

Anyway just my 2 cents all of this but i stand by my general idea: opiates derived from certain alkaloids give slightly different effects in terms of dopey feeling vs more speedy feeling.

Also not saying they are like meth or speed for that matter....just to ME they are 'more speedy' and anyone whos DOC is opiates KNOWS that they give you differing boosts in energy and effect.
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yes morphine has also given me an amazing feeling, i had it in the hospital one time, and im not going to get it again as i would not be able to stop i loved it that much.. usually the hydros give me the 'energy' to do everything, i took care of the yard, mow, trim, detail the cars, anything, no sweat... and dealt with a pregnant wife just fine, imo that saved me lol..
 
Opiates may give you energy but none of them are 'speedy' lol. Ever try coke or meth? Those are speedy.
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As many people already said , and i agree, opiates can be "speedy". its depends on the dose. sure a high enough dose can make you sedated and nod out but, with smaller doses they can produce energy, make you talkative, and motivate people to get things done.i consider that "speedy". but yes i agree with you that any stimulant is more "speedy".
 
if i take a high enough dose of oxy it makes me nod hard but i only do that sometimes because i like the relaxed energy it gives me
 
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