need info b4 I go to the doctor (field shrooms)

[ohshitebro]

okay, so I have done shrooms a lot and never eaten a bad shroom. So I was trying out a new source who had some fieldies *no prices* a gram so I bought 5gs.

I just kinda chomped the biggest one in my bag for a chill trip while I watch avatar, everything in me said don't eat these shrooms, but I said fuck it. Now I had a great trip, only made it half way through avatar, then went outside (live in the country so the stars are awesome). So I have a great trip then around 6 am (6 hours after beginning of trip roughly), I decided I wanted to trip more. I now eat the remaining probly 8th or so shrooms in the bag, because in the past I have had success tripping on mushrooms for quite a while by just eating 2x dose. But I waited and waited, nothin was happening took some kpins and passed out. This happened was 8/10/13.

(THIS IS GONNA BE GROSS SO BE FOREWARNED)


Now I wake up at 3ish, puke my guts out, see the shroom pieces in it, as I puke I pull a "hall pass" and blast diarrhea into my underwear. So the rest of that day I feel like a pile of shit and at 6pm I eat half a chicken sandwich take my benzos, pass out. Wake up at 2 am and found I pissed myself, went to change underwear and then I got vicious diarrhea. Benzos again, back to sleep till 1 pm today. No vomitting but Jesus the diarrhea is relentless, watery hell everytime i stand up dudes. So I read on a psychedelic website that this is bad news, but couldn't rlly tell because they were going hard scientific shroom species names I could hardly read let alone understand lol. I live in florida so the fieldies are normally cubes. Anyways, I just wanna know if this is normal from shroom mold I didnt notice, or if half these lil fuckers were fuckass shrooms. Would be much appreciated.

 

[plmar]

i dont know shit about shrooms but the only thing i want to say is drink water
i skimmed the post and if you've been throwing up pissing yourself and spraying diarhoea out your ass you are probably fucking dehydrated and that never helps

 

[ungelesene_bettlek]

so you bought mushrooms that someone collected from the wild, which are probably psilocybe cubensis, but probably not? did they look like cubensis?

do I understand correctly that the first one you ate was psychedelic, and then you ate the rest, which made you sick? so there is no shroom left that could help identifying what you actually ate?

 

[Deinonychus]

Uhm. This is sorta a borderline ID thread, but in the interest of HR, I'll get off the 'we can't tell you what it was even if we had pictures yadda yadda' and get on the 'get medical attention immediately and first thing after you leave your house get some Gatorade or whatever that has fluids with proper electrolyte balance' shpiel instead. Just in case.

Sorry dude, we can't help, a doctor may be able to. Sucks totally that this happened to you, and I wish you the best, but do not wait for further replies, leave now. Just to be safe.

 

[ohshitebro]

One little one and ya I got one that I wasn't feelin bcuz it was small and black, everything's else looked right that's why I'm thinkin mold or just coincidence. My insurance dropped me so I can't drive I'm going with I'm okay, just checking to see if you have experienced similarities after tripping fieldies, I am used to homegrown

 

[ohshitebro]

Not lookin for ID dein, just seein if this is kinda normal lol and appreciate the love man, need to spore print next time just got sloppy.

 

[Deinonychus]

Not lookin for ID dein, just seein if this is kinda normal lol and appreciate the love man, need to spore print next time just got sloppy.

Damn, sorry dude, I misread your initial post as you asking what kind of mushrooms they could have been, got me thinking about ID threads. I had just posted in the 'help identify these shrooms' thread that is on the first page of the forum history here too, with pics, which is better than nothing but still isn't at all ID-able. Now I see you were asking if these are either normal – or if not normal then at least possible, however improbable – symptoms of psilocybe mushrooms or whether it likely indicated contamination, whether by mold or *some other kind of shroom*, not asking what kind that other shroom would be. My bad!

So, to try and answer the real question instead of the imagined question, if I'm counting right it's been less than 24 hours since ingestion, right? You said you took the rest of them in the vey early hours of the 10th, today in other words, right? If so, how we the symptoms now compared to when posted?

I have never heard about this severe and violent of a reaction to proper mushrooms. I get no stomach issues at all, but my boy gets really shitty stomach pains and cramping, but not so strong as even to make his trip unpleasant, just to the point where he wishes they didn't do that. And I've never heard of such a violent reaction as I said. However, there could indeed have been another kind of shroom in there, or most definitely mold, since they were dried by a friend as an amateur myco-enthusiast from wild-growing material, and drying at home is a dicey process if done improperly.

I do not wish to alarm you, but this account of amanitas poisoning mentions explosive diarrhea and vomiting simultaneously. It's unlikely that you ate an amanita, but there's no telling what psilocybe-lookalikes there could have been in the bag. So again I stick to 'go to the hospital and get electrolyte fluid on the way' as before, as mushroom poisoning a are more treatable the easier the patient goes to the ER, whereas after several days the damage can be done already, which even if not fatal can still be severe.

As I said I don't wish to alarm you with this sort of talk, but it *is* imperative that you go seek medical care, just in case. No sense taking the chance – however unlikely – of permanent damage or god forbid fatal results if you can at least seek treatment to try to help the issue. Most likely it's just stomach sickness, very severe, from mold on the mushrooms or something like that which will likely have no more dangerous effects than dehydration and feeling severely shitty for a few days, but I wouldn't gamble with my personal safety like that assuming it will just go away, personally speaking.

Anyway, go seek treatment, and good luck, and feel better. Let us know what happens yeah? So we know you're okay and so we can add that to our collective knowledge should a similar situation as far as symptoms arise in the future.

 

[Solipsis]

If you're used to 'homegrown' mushrooms then I think the appearance and resulting psychoactive effects from something like Panther Amanita's or some other poisonous Amanita's would be remarkably different.

The really super serious mushroom poisonings don't really make you trip but instead contain stuff that kills your vital organs.

What you describe instead sounds like food poisoning in the sense that it doesn't really matter as much what spoiled foods you ate but rather what the kind of mold of bacteria was that was in or on it. Unfortunately it is nigh impossible to say, especially over the internet - and even a macroscopic description of the bad smell or the color of the moldy stuff would only be half the picture.

Look up some info on food poisoning, it might make you feel more comfortable to read about some tips and to get a general handle on expectations. Time is probably the best healer but I also second that you should drink a lot of water. And don't take antacids for your stomach IMO, let the stomach acid kill anything living. Your body is just trying to expell the endotoxins that the molds or bacteria make so I wouldn't combat these symptoms too much unless you feel like the diarrhoea and stuff are dehydrating to up to a dangerous extent.

If your symptoms get a lot weirder and start deviating from that of food poisoning, get help.

This isn't really psychedelic discussion but I definitely won't be a dick to move your thread, although maybe one of the other fora can be of additional support. Your call.

 

[Deinonychus]

^^ Good points all around. The amanitas aren't easily confused for the psilocybes. Doesn't it seem like too soon for traditional food poisoning though? In my experience bacterial food poisoning typically has at least a 24 your delay after having eaten whatever, obviously this isn't any sort of rule though. I would be more inclined to say that it was probably some sort of mold on the mushrooms from improper drying, since they were home dried and were wild-caught, and thus will be literally *covered* in the spores of other fungi, and home drying is an imprecise thing without certain equipment. And then the reaction is to some sort of mildly toxic compound(s) from the mold, like you'd get sick from moldy bread or meat.

Solipsis, in your opinion it too hasty from a HR perspective to suggest seeking medical care when somebody exhibits symptoms of poisoning for wild-gathered shrooms? For future reference, in case something similar ever comes up. We're it anything other than mushrooms I would just say drink a lot of electrolyte-laden liquids to stay hydrated, but with mushrooms, *especially* wild-gathered, my alarm bells go off.

 

[Thomas Davie]

OP; I'm not an expert and because of that I never eat wild mushrooms or buy wild mushrooms; only deliberately grown.

Please go see a doctor and rule out Amatoxin poisoning. There are Cube-alikes that can harm you. One species can found growing amongst Cube patches; Galerina I think it is. So yeah, it is possible for picked mushrooms to contain toxic species and the 'good' kind both.

Rule this out if possible by seeking medical attention.

Tom

 

[Solipsis]

^^ Good points all around. The amanitas aren't easily confused for the psilocybes. Doesn't it seem like too soon for traditional food poisoning though? In my experience bacterial food poisoning typically has at least a 24 your delay after having eaten whatever, obviously this isn't any sort of rule though. I would be more inclined to say that it was probably some sort of mold on the mushrooms from improper drying, since they were home dried and were wild-caught, and thus will be literally *covered* in the spores of other fungi, and home drying is an imprecise thing without certain equipment. And then the reaction is to some sort of mildly toxic compound(s) from the mold, like you'd get sick from moldy bread or meat.

Solipsis, in your opinion it too hasty from a HR perspective to suggest seeking medical care when somebody exhibits symptoms of poisoning for wild-gathered shrooms? For future reference, in case something similar ever comes up. We're it anything other than mushrooms I would just say drink a lot of electrolyte-laden liquids to stay hydrated, but with mushrooms, *especially* wild-gathered, my alarm bells go off.

Yes I would pay a visit to a GP but I thought he said insurance dropped out so he was mostly looking for reassurance if appropriate.

I'm not an expert on food poisoning but I really do think that you can expect to start feeling bad semi-acutely like this. I don't differentiate between poisoning from bacteria or molds here.
Home drying is not that imprecise or difficult as long as you do apply at least a mild airflow - I take it that is what you mean by 'equipment', just a fan - because yeah just letting it sit can have the mushrooms get overrun by other bacteria and fungi present on the mushroom... just like you said.

Technically complications are possible for example if you aspirate a lot of spores, but I think once in the GI there is just a violent battle of killing and expelling of the intruders, then detoxification of any possible endotoxins.

If going to the GP is no problem where you live, it would be bad HR not to get the best medical advice you can get... but if it is a little more difficult I would say first wait out the acute GI irritation and detox process (I doubt there is anything they could do for you), then see if there is any sustained symptom to indicate something like an infection or some such complication.

 

[ohshitebro]

Went to the doc, it's just from a virus going around my brother just told me he had that and we do jujitsu together so musts caught something. SOME MESSED UP TIMING hahaha whew, thanks for helpin me keep my cool guys, still sick but that's better than shroom death lol. But to anyone else who has this happen listen to these guys and just seek medical attention! And don't disrespect the magic mushies, spore prints, and proper research can avoid a fright like this, or worse! Stay safe psychonaughts :D. Thanks to all who responded and took the time to inform me in plain English. And Dien it's all good buddy I know you we're just watching out for BL. Peace&Love y'all! ��

 

[Solipsis]

Thanks for the follow-up. Get well soon!

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