Opioids Need help with IV Method.

[Crack Wizard]

A friend of mine has been wondering on the best method of IV'ing H. He does it using completely sterile pins & other equipment, inlcuding alcohol wipes before & after. He can usually find a vein and get it done but some of the time it takes multiple attempts, and doesn't go all that well. He knows to keep an eye on the end/ opening of the syringe, and when a small amount of blood creeps into the syringe, when this happens he then pulls the plunger back to make sure he's in a vein. He want's to know if this is all correct? and needs some advice on the times when it doesn't go well and takes many attempts, because not only is it extremely frustrating for him but it causes un needed pain and marks. On these attempts, constantly no blood enters the syringe so he knows it isn't working..


So yeah, he's asked me to post this on bluelight because I have an account already, he needs some tips on simplifying IV'ing, increasing the success rate. What could the problem be when he cannot get the flow when plunger is pulled back, nomatter where he tries it, taking countless attempts.

He's told me to pass on this information in hopes of anyone improving his method. Once the syringe is full he forces a couple drops out of the pin to insure there's no blockage, draws a tiny amount of extra water through to ensure clean flow. He wipes the area with Alcohol wipes, then proceeds to inject at about a 35-40 degree angle, and only tried to pull the plunger back when he sees a tiny amount of blood come through as he pushes the pin in (before the plunger is pulled). It would be so beneficial if someone knows why sometimes it takes so many attempts/

 

[SwimmingNSwiyying]

Tell your friend to enter at a 10 degree angle, almost parallel to the skin. Slowly slide the pin in, wait for a pop and a little blood to flow in to the syringe. At this point DON'T GO ANY DEEPER (otherwise he could accidentally pop back through the other side of the vein.. remember they are very small). If he cannot find the vein where he is expecting it to be it could be to the left or right of the pin, have him re-angle his syringe to the sides and search for the vein. Once he gets the pop and registers (pulls back to make sure there is blood), then he must started pushing the plunger WITHOUT MOVING THE NEEDLE POSITION AT ALL. A slight movement can mean a missed shot. SWIM always prefers to re-register halfway through the shot to make sure that he is still in a vein, if blood flows into the syringe again then your friend is golden. Once he re-registers and knows he is definitely still in the vein, as carefully as he can he should shoot the rest as quick as possible (ONCE AGAIN WITHOUT MOVING THE NEEDLE POSITION AT ALL). Two things that will increase the rush are making more concentrated shots (less water) and the speed at which your friend shoots it.

If it starts to hurt he is doing it wrong and should pull out and try a different vein. If your friend see's swelling forming as he is shooting, he is doing it wrong and should again pull out and find a different vein. It should be smooth, no pain and depending on his needle size leave no mark unless he uses the same vein over and over. Tell your friend to always switch veins and use sterile equipment. SWIM is not one to talk, he has been using the same pin for about a week, but he is also the only one using it and has alcohol swabs and anti-bacterial ointments to reduce the danger.

Last Notes:

Missing a shot kind of hurts at the injection site and swells up really quick, but applying pressure/massaging the area with a warm towel will help a lot. Hitting a nerve is bad, SWIM did it once and felt the whole nerve line go numb from elbow to hand and partly up his shoulder. That was a dumb decision on his part, he felt the pain but thought that maybe it was just a weird vein. Good thing is he stopped halfway through the shot once his hand started getting burning hot (like it actually hurt). After about 2-3 hours that faded and he was okay.

Hope this explains everything your friend needs to know. Tell him to always be safe, start in small doses until he figures out his tolerance and always stay sterile. Also, don't let this become an addiction for him: Self control is hard but it really makes stuff like this so much more enjoyable. Let it be a treat and not just "what he does", that choice is his but always remind him... anything you do every single day gets boring sooner or later


EDIT: Did not see that this was for H, all of the post still applies except for the story about SWIM's nerve injection experience, that was with coke. IV H is lame in SWIM's opinion, coke is like some sort of god grabbing SWIM's body and then spinning him in the air through clouds made of pleasure and love... But that's probably the last thing your friend needs to try I must say; SWIM has told me it is very tempting to not stop

 

[bobjayne]

Two things that will increase the rush are making more concentrated shots (less water) and the speed at which your friend shoots it.

This is completely false. Extra water simply dilutes the solution; good for when using more caustic drugs on the veins such as meth, #3 heroin (as citric acid is used to break down base into solution) and crack (basr) base, etc.

Injecting quicker can be risky in that its putting unneeded pressure within the vein which is possible to blow out the vein, esp with larger volume injections. Much like can happen when not loosening a tourniquet before pushing down the plunger.

 

[Crack Wizard]

Hope this explains everything your friend needs to know. Tell him to always be safe, start in small doses until he figures out his tolerance and always stay sterile. Also, don't let this become an addiction for him: Self control is hard but it really makes stuff like this so much more enjoyable. Let it be a treat and not just "what he does", that choice is his but always remind him... anything you do every single day gets boring sooner or later

He really likes this part... Also he really didn't expect to get such a thoughtful response.. 8( . Also I wrote a part in my first post that ' i think ' described him hitting a nerve.. What i had written was, it's only happene 2-3 times but there's this strange occurrence that happens extremely rarely.. The pin is clearly in a vein, the blood flow is clean, then he begins to push the plunger down.. there's a slight delay of 2 seconds or so.. then EXCRUCIATING PAIN. Nothing like the mild pain of missing... It goes within a few seconds, this time it happened it was in his foot (because it was one of those times where he kept failing) and in desperation tried the foot.. It has happened in the arm too but I think this is what you just described, i didn't know that was hitting a nerve.. Usually when in the vein it's not at all painful when pushing down, it's actually rather nice.. but these 2-3, times, man, WOW the pain.

 

[speedballs_over]

Please look up and download the PDF of "Getting Off Right". it's *the* manual for IV drug use. Any questions after reading that we can answer. I suggest all users of IV drugs to read that document and save it for reference. It is not a beginners guide, don't get the manual so you can "teach" yourself to inject. It's not about that, it's about injecting right if you're already down that road, best to not go that route in the first place.

 

[SwimmingNSwiyying]

This is completely false. Extra water simply dilutes the solution; good for when using more caustic drugs on the veins such as meth, #3 heroin (as citric acid is used to break down base into solution) and crack (basr) base, etc.

Injecting quicker can be risky in that its putting unneeded pressure within the vein which is possible to blow out the vein, esp with larger volume injections. Much like can happen when not loosening a tourniquet before pushing down the plunger.

From my experience a more concentrated solution has a better rush. If I did X amount of blow or meth and used a full ML my rush would not be as intense as if I had used, say, .3ml. Not sure about H, but with stimulants I have found this to be the case. Then again, in my opinion IV H does not have much of a rush (or at least it's just different and I prefer stimulating rushes). As for injecting quicker, I should have been specific but I assumed we all have common sense. I would not attach an air compressor to my pin in order to get a faster injection, but doing it a bit faster than most doctors do definitely makes a difference. I also recommended a re-register halfway through the shot, pretty sure my answer was thorough.

And yeah Crack Wizard, nerves hurt I would take 10 misses over hitting a nerve again lol

Please look up and download the PDF of "Getting Off Right". it's *the* manual for IV drug use. Any questions after reading that we can answer. I suggest all users of IV drugs to read that document and save it for reference. It is not a beginners guide, don't get the manual so you can "teach" yourself to inject. It's not about that, it's about injecting right if you're already down that road, best to not go that route in the first place.

I agree this is the best bet, but honestly people make slamming seem way harder than it is.. I didn't have a manual or a friend, just you folks on bluelight. Everytime I do it's just pick a vein (tourniquet if veins are hiding), swab up the spot with alcohol swabs, make sure I am using a new pin (or if not clean it with antibacterials.. obviously only my old pins I would never use someone elses), poke vein, remove tourniquet (if even using one), and then re-register (I tend to fuck up removing the tourniquet and the needle moves), shoot half the dose making sure no swelling or pain occurs, then re-register and if blood is flowing then the drugs are going.

I would say prepping the shot is the most crucial part, micron filters and bad cuts, etc... When it comes to actually just getting the shot into a vein it is pretty straight forward.

 

[Bambooshoot]

Guys we don't use SWIM or 'my friend' here. Everyone knows it's you and it does not protect you legally. Read the OD guidelines and BLUA.

 

[Rybee]

Some useful info but just keep in mind that we don't SWIM on BL.

 

[downerhead]

Remember to rotate your injection sites to save your veins for as long as possible.As far as the times you can't seem to get a hit,your veins may be rolling.This can sometimes be remedied by anchoring the vein,tying off on either side of where you want to hit and injecting in the middle.I used to have to do this myself occasionally.And if you are just hard to hit due to shitty veins then it is even more important than normal to use a new or at least almost new rig for every shot.I know this isn't always practical but it helps immensely.Inject slowly,injecting fast blows veins quicker.The best piece of advice I can give though is to say that if you haven't been shooting for long then get out while you can.