Bupe Need advice desperately - Bupe after Dope

[poppy_bagel]

Hello all, Im in a major jam at the moment. Long story short I've been on subutex for a month and change, usually 4-6mg/day on average. I bought some dope (Heroin w/ trace fentanyl) for Xmas and tried some out on the 22nd. The next day I tried to keep it safe and took 1mg. I felt kinda nasty but took another 1mg about 3.5 hours later. Felt ok but not great at all. Took another 1mg about 5 hrs later. Was still not right and couldnt sleep so in a moment of panic and frustration I took some dope, about 3 lines (idk the dose). I firmly believe this was due to withdrawals from the bupe. This worked as intended and finally fell asleep. To avoid any of that nasty feeling today as Im seeing family Ive taken more dope.

My question is did I totally fuck myself out of getting back on my sub schedule? The last proper dose I had was 2mg in the morning of the 22nd and then the 3mg over the course of the day yesterday. I was trying to use whatever dope I had left tomorrow but Im worried if I wait too long I'll be totally screwed. Im so pissed at myself for caving but I was so frustrated and felt like crap and needed to sleep. I also have kratom but not sure how to factor it in or if it'd be any help regardless. How long should I wait and what should the amount be on my next dose? Ive been keeping my intake pretty light today, I think at most I'll have done .3-.4 snorted. Any help would be appreciated, thank you!!

 

[foodcrisis]

i personally wouldn't want to know someone else's opinion on this cause everyone is different. the withdrawl might be worse for different people and they don't really know how strong the stuff you have is so that's gonna play some role in how bad the switch is... if you are writing this to figure out if you should cop some more illegal dope to make the come down easier, it sounds like you are kind of getting addicted to it needing it to sleep, so it might just be best to go through the one time withdrawl and not pick up the habbit... you may be the type of person that can ween yourself using more drugs. i really don't know... also you never know how strong the stuff you are going to get from different batches of heroin/fentanyl. you could end up getting more fet in the next batch... just stuff to think about... maybe someone else has experience with the med you are taking though.. i can't really compare.. i just think what i have to say kind of makes sense and might be helpful

 

[poppy_bagel]

i personally wouldn't want to know someone else's opinion on this cause everyone is different. the withdrawl might be worse for different people and they don't really know how strong the stuff you have is so that's gonna play some role in how bad the switch is... if you are writing this to figure out if you should cop some more illegal dope to make the come down easier, it sounds like you are kind of getting addicted to it needing it to sleep, so it might just be best to go through the one time withdrawl and not pick up the habbit... you may be the type of person that can ween yourself using more drugs. i really don't know... also you never know how strong the stuff you are going to get from different batches of heroin/fentanyl. you could end up getting more fet in the next batch... just stuff to think about... maybe someone else has experience with the med you are taking though.. i can't really compare.. i just think what i have to say kind of makes sense and might be helpful

i personally wouldn't want to know someone else's opinion on this cause everyone is different. the withdrawl might be worse for different people and they don't really know how strong the stuff you have is so that's gonna play some role in how bad the switch is... if you are writing this to figure out if you should cop some more illegal dope to make the come down easier, it sounds like you are kind of getting addicted to it needing it to sleep, so it might just be best to go through the one time withdrawl and not pick up the habbit... you may be the type of person that can ween yourself using more drugs. i really don't know... also you never know how strong the stuff you are going to get from different batches of heroin/fentanyl. you could end up getting more fet in the next batch... just stuff to think about... maybe someone else has experience with the med you are taking though.. i can't really compare.. i just think what i have to say kind of makes sense and might be helpful

I think the lack of sleep was due to withdrawals from bupe, I didnt have a crumb of dope all day yesterday. I only caved because it was either try a 2 mg dose of bupe and hope for the best or go for what I more or less knew would work. I should've tried sticking w the bupe but I was so frustrated at that point and it was like 7:30am. My dosing schedule was probably way too conservative yesterday and I fucked up in that regard. Just a big pile of regret and shame rn..

 

[TheGyattDamnRizzler]

I think the lack of sleep was due to withdrawals from bupe, I didnt have a crumb of dope all day yesterday. I only caved because it was either try a 2 mg dose of bupe and hope for the best or go for what I more or less knew would work. I should've tried sticking w the bupe but I was so frustrated at that point and it was like 7:30am. My dosing schedule was probably way too conservative yesterday and I fucked up in that regard. Just a big pile of regret and shame rn..

It happens man everyone fucks up. Idk what your perscribed I would try to take all the sub at the same time, i used to take it early in the morning and then at night. I use to do 8 I think twice a day I knew people that would take multiple strips they were ultra addicted. While you have still have the fent or whatever in your system try to wait till your withdrawaling from that too then take the sub I think. Because of the opiate drug use it's going to whack you out for a little bit. It's been a long time sense I've done subs. I use to use subs during the week and then do dope on like Friday and Saturday with minimul issue. Don't give up though man merry Christmas.

 

[Jnowhere]

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[TheGyattDamnRizzler]

Hello all, Im in a major jam at the moment. Long story short I've been on subutex for a month and change, usually 4-6mg/day on average. I bought some dope (Heroin w/ trace fentanyl) for Xmas and tried some out on the 22nd. The next day I tried to keep it safe and took 1mg. I felt kinda nasty but took another 1mg about 3.5 hours later. Felt ok but not great at all. Took another 1mg about 5 hrs later. Was still not right and couldnt sleep so in a moment of panic and frustration I took some dope, about 3 lines (idk the dose). I firmly believe this was due to withdrawals from the bupe. This worked as intended and finally fell asleep. To avoid any of that nasty feeling today as Im seeing family Ive taken more dope.

My question is did I totally fuck myself out of getting back on my sub schedule? The last proper dose I had was 2mg in the morning of the 22nd and then the 3mg over the course of the day yesterday. I was trying to use whatever dope I had left tomorrow but Im worried if I wait too long I'll be totally screwed. Im so pissed at myself for caving but I was so frustrated and felt like crap and needed to sleep. I also have kratom but not sure how to factor it in or if it'd be any help regardless. How long should I wait and what should the amount be on my next dose? Ive been keeping my intake pretty light today, I think at most I'll have done .3-.4 snorted. Any help would be appreciated, thank you!!

Hey man one more thing. I completely miss read the part about you doing h then sub then h out of frustration.do not do this you can create precipitated withdrawal. I hear it isn't pleasant. Wait for the h to get out of your system before the bupe. Wait for the bupe to get out of your system before the h.

 

[poppy_bagel]

Hey man one more thing. I completely miss read the part about you doing h then sub then h out of frustration.do not do this you can create precipitated withdrawal. I hear it isn't pleasant. Wait for the h to get out of your system before the bupe. Wait for the bupe to get out of your system before the h.

Thanks for your replies! Gonna give it a go tomorrow, not sure how I should go about dosing though. Was thinking I'd do 1mg at first then add another 1mg every couple hours til I feel right. And yes was gonna wait as long as possible before dosing (10-12 hrs). I dont think after 2 days of fairly light use any fent will be built up in my fat enough to cause any real problems so Im more or lees treating it as solely H. Im just worried I've thrown off my schedule so much I'll have to re-induce which is not ideal whatsoever. I just feel so lost and confused w all this..

 

[TheGyattDamnRizzler]

Thanks for your replies! Gonna give it a go tomorrow, not sure how I should go about dosing though. Was thinking I'd do 1mg at first then add another 1mg every couple hours til I feel right. And yes was gonna wait as long as possible before dosing (10-12 hrs). I dont think after 2 days of fairly light use any fent will be built up in my fat enough to cause any real problems so Im more or lees treating it as solely H. Im just worried I've thrown off my schedule so much I'll have to re-induce which is not ideal whatsoever. I just feel so lost and confused w all this..

I mean yeah your probably going to feel a little shitty for a bit. 48 hours is about the time where you are good to get back on bupe (I would add I knew when to take mine when my withdrawals were starting to really hit. This differs per person metabolism.). But yeah man just ditch the fent and maintain your bupe schedule and you'll be fine in like a few weeks. We are all human and make mistakes, your feeling that super low cus you were super high on the fetty I bet.

 

[poppy_bagel]

I mean yeah your probably going to feel a little shitty for a bit. 48 hours is about the time where you are good to get back on bupe (I would add I knew when to take mine when my withdrawals were starting to really hit. This differs per person metabolism.). But yeah man just ditch the fent and maintain your bupe schedule and you'll be fine in like a few weeks. We are all human and make mistakes, your feeling that super low cus you were super high on the fetty I bet.

What makes it complicated is it's mostly H w trace fent, not fent on its own which I would never willingly take and would treat as a different animal. I will say this time might have a bit more fet than usual.. also havent been using consistently enough to really have withdrawals, I'll probably have a hangover from the dope but I think why I was feeling shitty the other day was bc of bupe wds, I've been taking bupe for a month+ now. Do you think using kratom will help at all? Was thinking if I take the bupe and feel nasty I can use that as a backup. I've heard you cant do it vice versa tho just bc theyre partial mu agonists and bupe has higher affinity so kratom before bupe can cause pwd too

 

[TheGyattDamnRizzler]

What makes it complicated is it's mostly H w trace fent, not fent on its own which I would never willingly take and would treat as a different animal. I will say this time might have a bit more fet than usual.. also havent been using consistently enough to really have withdrawals, I'll probably have a hangover from the dope but I think why I was feeling shitty the other day was bc of bupe wds, I've been taking bupe for a month+ now. Do you think using kratom will help at all? Was thinking if I take the bupe and feel nasty I can use that as a backup. I've heard you cant do it vice versa tho just bc theyre partial mu agonists and bupe has higher affinity so kratom before bupe can cause pwd too

Uh bupenrorphine is an entirely different beast. It lasts for ever. Like stays in your system for a very long time. So the come off if your having any is going to get longer and worse the longer your dependent on bupe. Methadone is even worse probably the most brutal one to come off of. If your not really experiencing withdrawals from h or fent I'd say try to cut it while your ahead. The withdrawals get worse and worse and you will become a sociopath to solve the withdrawal issue.

On the Kratom I did it back in the day(cus I was trying to solve the withdrawaling issue) kratom is disgusting it tastes so foul it doesn't mix in liquid (good luck chugging that when your super dope sick). You have to take alot too to be good for even 8 hours. I had a situation where I had no choice but to be good with nothing and pay massive amounts of money or die. My friend gave me ice to get through it that's the only thing that helps me when dealing with opiate withdrawal. Don't do that obviously I'm just speaking from my own experience. The only cure for heroin withdrawal and opiate withdrawal is to not use, one day it won't feel good to you but you'll still need it.

So try to do your medication there is no like being able to cheat opiate addiction you can try though if you want.

 

[poppy_bagel]

Uh bupenrorphine is an entirely different beast. It lasts for ever. Like stays in your system for a very long time. So the come off if your having any is going to get longer and worse the longer your dependent on bupe. Methadone is even worse probably the most brutal one to come off of. If your not really experiencing withdrawals from h or fent I'd say try to cut it while your ahead. The withdrawals get worse and worse and you will become a sociopath to solve the withdrawal issue.

On the Kratom I did it back in the day(cus I was trying to solve the withdrawaling issue) kratom is disgusting it tastes so foul it doesn't mix in liquid (good luck chugging that when your super dope sick). You have to take alot too to be good for even 8 hours. I had a situation where I had no choice but to be good with nothing and pay massive amounts of money or die. My friend gave me ice to get through it that's the only thing that helps me when dealing with opiate withdrawal. Don't do that obviously I'm just speaking from my own experience. The only cure for heroin withdrawal and opiate withdrawal is to not use, one day it won't feel good to you but you'll still need it.

So try to do your medication there is no like being able to cheat opiate addiction you can try though if you want.

Dont worry Im not trying to cheat my bupe program or substitute it, the crux of my issue is Im worried about hopping back on/having fucked it up beyond rescue. Once I've waited for the dope to leave my system it will have been abt 54 hrs since any last appreciable amount I took which seems long to me.. so Im hoping I'm wrong about that and I dont mind feeling a bit shit tomorrow if it means my program isn't totally compromised

 

[TheGyattDamnRizzler]

Yeah man the cravings are worse than the withdrawal. After like 48 hours I turn into a sleeper agent randomly and just run out the door. The bupe should stop the effectiveness of opiates. You should also consider going to a meeting and talking to people I guess. (I failed at this btw). I'm going to go man Merry Christmas

 

[poppy_bagel]

Yeah man the cravings are worse than the withdrawal. After like 48 hours I turn into a sleeper agent randomly and just run out the door. The bupe should stop the effectiveness of opiates. You should also consider going to a meeting and talking to people I guess. (I failed at this btw). I'm going to go man Merry Christmas

No worries man, Merry Christmas to you as well! I appreciate you taking the time to respond. Shit's such a murky and stupid situation I put myself in, or maybe Im overcomplicating it (which I hope) and it'll all work out. Wish me luck!