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Bupe need advice about stopping suboxone; now have stopped. merged thread.

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congrats on your effort.

i hope you don't mind but i will merge this in with your other thread to keep it as a kind of diary you can update along the way.

good luck with the sobriety!
 
well i figure the worse is yet to come but it had to happen sometime. i wil admit i am terrorfied but i really think i can do this. i do have some benzo's for sleep. i have been going round and round with this opiate thing for ten freakin years and i just want to b free. i am hoping and praying that maybe just maybe this time i can b. suboxone worked wonderfull for me and to b honest i wonder if i should have just stayed on it for forever. it was the best i have ever done but it got to the point that i was feeling so normal and not high or anything like that i am hoping once i get through the wd's off the subs that i can feel like that but then again my little opiate receptors wont b happy. i dont feel good today i must admit
 
Well i had another whole thread about this but wasnt sure if i needed to start a new one or not so if the mods want to merge it thats fine with me.:) i just wanted to let every one know i used james browns tapering method and it worked very sucessfully. i went from 16mg to 4 mg to 2 mg then finally 1mg and decided 3 days ago that i felt like at this point i was just continuing to string my self along bcause i actually was getting energy boosts from the lower doses and my goal all along was to quit completley and i had enough subs to go on at these low doses for like 6 months. i did something very unusual for my addict mind to do i got rid of every sub i had including little tiny peices and all !!! it is now day 3 with no subs whatsoever and i must admit i have used benzos for sleep but other than sleeping problems and some restless legs and minor lower back hurting which i expected some withdrawels tthings r going GREAT!!! tapering works it really does so wish me luck everyone and once again james brown u rock and i suggest to anyone wanting to come off subs he is definitley the man to talk to. i am really really hoping i can stay off pills this time i have a positive mind frame and i think i can do it. suboxone changed my life i just chose to b one of the people that didnt want to b on it for forever but i have no problems with people that do. it gave me my life back and now i am hoping to have it back pill free completley!!=D

Im glad your making the effort to get completely clean from opiates but I still think(as Skag mentioned above) that you are still at too high of a dose to jump off of. Even though you are doin pretty good now you may not be in a week or so. Of course you might end up being perfectly fine, but if you do, you will be lucky.
I have been so glad that you have been following my advice exactly ever since we started talking, and Im so happy that its been working so great for you, but since you trusted me before and it was working so great for you, I think you should keep trusting me and not jump off right now. One of the most critical aspects of my tapering methods is being able to lower your dose to about 0.2-0.5mg's(maybe even less) and then STAYING at that dose for several weeks. That is SUCH an important part of my tapering methods I cant stress it enough. Your body is more than likely not adjusted well enough to the low doses yet and will responf with lots of WD pain and PAWS pain. I wish the best for you but I think you will regret your decision.
Once again, I believe that what makes my tapering methods successfull is being at a TINY dose for a very long time so your mind is use to barely having any opiates in its receptors at all, so consequently, you can jump off with MUCH less pain. You would be suprised how big of a difference there is (pain-wise) between 0.5mg's and 1mg.
But anyway, I wish you good luck and please let us know how it goes as im interested in seeing how it worked out for you and im glad I was able to help you so much.
 
okay MY FREAKIN LEGS HURT SOOOOOOOOOOOO bad i can deal with anything but the legs. what is this now day 5 i think. who ever said i shouldnt have thrown the subs out were right but god i just wanted to b done with this shit. i should have kept on tapering right on down but I COULD NOT GET PASS ONE MG. To b honest i had actually started like my sub way better than i did bfore because i was actually feeling an energy boost off of it and knowing me hell i just would have never been able to stop hell i had enough at that dose for the next freakin 6 months. i have a husband who is wonderfull but he just doesnt fuckning get it the whole addiction thing i mean and i am frustrated by that. should i maybe go get some tabs and half them maybe hell i dont know what to do. and trust me with the suboxone going out of my stupid addict brain my opiate receptors have came back to life and they r screaming give me an opiate any opiate. maybe i should have just stayed on suboxone forever maybe i will always be a fucking pill head i dont know. I just want to b one of those people that dont need a pill to get out of bed or a pill to have fun or a pill to clean my house etc etc. I am not having a good morning. i dont know what to do.
 
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i ahve been on sub for bout 3 years its so hard to come off i dont get a buzz or ne thing i maaintain but if u wanna try and get off u need other drugs i use benzos and tramadol and weed and wein really really slow good luck
 
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okay MY FREAKIN LEGS HURT SOOOOOOOOOOOO bad i can deal with anything but the legs. what is this now day 5 i think. who ever said i shouldnt have thrown the subs out were right but god i just wanted to b done with this shit. i should have kept on tapering right on down but I COULD NOT GET PASS ONE MG. To b honest i had actually started like my sub way better than i did bfore because i was actually feeling an energy boost off of it and knowing me hell i just would have never been able to stop hell i had enough at that dose for the next freakin 6 months. i have a husband who is wonderfull but he just doesnt fuckning get it the whole addiction thing i mean and i am frustrated by that. should i maybe go get some tabs and half them maybe hell i dont know what to do. and trust me with the suboxone going out of my stupid addict brain my opiate receptors have came back to life and they r screaming give me an opiate any opiate. maybe i should have just stayed on suboxone forever maybe i will always be a fucking pill head i dont know. I just want to b one of those people that dont need a pill to get out of bed or a pill to have fun or a pill to clean my house etc etc. I am not having a good morning. i dont know what to do.


I am new here to posting, but have been lurking for months. I am currently doing the exact same thing you have been doing. I have read so much about it, but I am a very stubborn person, but I am starting to believe in these lesser doses working. My thing is, I am a strong believer in endorphin deficiency, and believe it will be scientifically proven one day. Some people just cannot help themselves. A diabetic cannot help the fact that they need insulin, to be normal every day. Do they want to take that insulin? Do they think it's fun? Of course not, but it's a necessity to them.

It seems you were doing very well at these low doses. I am not here to tell you what to do, I just wanted to give some input. If you could get down to the lowest dose that is comfortable to you, then my opinion is why change it? Now, if you want to do that, I commend you for not wanting to depend on a pill for the rest of your life. You are a stronger person than I am.

Suboxone has saved my life. I fell in love with opiates the first time I took a lortab after wisdom teeth removal when I was 16. I remember talking to my then girlfriend on the phone that day, and I was saying things that she had always wanted to hear, but I never could get the words out until I discovered the world of opiates. That day, I didn't even know what I had taken, just knew it was for pain. I didn't know what an opiate was, I heard of heroin, but could not have told you to save my life what drug category heroin was in. I thought heroin, cocaine, and crack were all just drugs, and didn't realize there were different categories of drugs.

I am a recovering alcoholic, I nearly died in 2007 from pancreatitis, after mixing booze and any opiate with tylenol in it for a few months. I was not expected to live through the night at one point. After I got out of the hospital, and had to learn to walk again, at then the age of 26, I knew I could not go back to drinking, or it would kill me. I really enjoyed opiates more than alcohol, I drank so much because it intensified my opiates.

I then discovered suboxone in September of 2008 after taking roxicodone for a while, which was easy to get a prescription for after having pancreatitis. In February of 2009, I lost my medicaid, because they found out I was making too much money, and I could no longer afford suboxone. I tapered myself off what I had left in two months, which was not long enough. For two or three weeks I had no energy or motivation whatsoever. It slowly started coming back, but my brain just did not feel normal. I ended up getting so desperate I relapsed back on alcohol in July of 2009. After a two week drinking binge I knew I would die if I kept it up, and went to rehab. While in rehab, my mom was able to get my medicaid reinstated.

I am now back on suboxone, have been since October of last year, and am lowering my dose, and finally overcoming my stubbornness to stop taking higher doses. This is just me personally, and my own personal choice, but I plan on staying on suboxone as long as I need too, if that's what it takes for me to live a normal, healthy life. If that means forever, so be it. Your friends and family may try and make you feel guilty about taking something that is "addicting," but I don't hear diabetics families fussing about them taking their insulin, to lead a normal, healthy life.

Like I said, that is my story, and I hope you do what works for you, and that it turns out great. If it turns out that you need to stay on maintenance, then don't worry about it. There are some people who may need it long term, some not. There may be a day where I do stop, but right now, I am not going to break something that is fixed. And I am not going to let my conscience, or any person make me feel guilty about it.

I wish you the best of luck in your recovery.
 
thank u for sharing your story i had just wrote a big long post but accidently erased it. that sucks but doing a little beter today but i am beyond depressed and terrorfied i am going to start the whole pill thing up again i should have stayed on my subs. my husband doesnt understand addiction so getting back on them isnt an option. My opiate receptors r no longer happy so my head is screaming I NEED PILLS!! i have been praying and praying and praying i just dont think i am strong enough though i never was bfore i am usually a happy bubbly chick but i am so so sad i really am. i want to beat this but i think i might b one of those people that needs maitenece for forever i really do. i am lost .
 
thank u for sharing your story i had just wrote a big long post but accidently erased it. that sucks but doing a little beter today but i am beyond depressed and terrorfied i am going to start the whole pill thing up again i should have stayed on my subs. my husband doesnt understand addiction so getting back on them isnt an option. My opiate receptors r no longer happy so my head is screaming I NEED PILLS!! i have been praying and praying and praying i just dont think i am strong enough though i never was bfore i am usually a happy bubbly chick but i am so so sad i really am. i want to beat this but i think i might b one of those people that needs maitenece for forever i really do. i am lost .

Im sorry that you had to go through all of this and I tried to stop you but I guess it was too late. I believe that if you continue following my tapering plan you could easily be opiate and WD free within 3 months or so. Dont quote me on that cuz its hard to say exactly when Im not sure at what dose of suboxone your gonna start back on with. I reccommend you start with only 0.2mg's. And then take another 0.2mg's every hour until you feel better. Hopefully you will be able to feel better around 0.6-0.8mg's. Then all you have to do is taper down to 0.2-0.5mg's, stay at that dose for atleast a month, and then you can jump off without having to go through all this horrible pain.
Of course it may not work for you but I believe it will, I see no reason why it wont, because you have followed my advic perfectly so far and everything has happened as I predicted it would and I think if you keep going on that taper plan you will be a MUCH happier person in a feew months time.
Whatever you do, good luck
 
james : i really dont know what i was thinking jumping off the way i did. Alot of it came from my husband who is not an addict nor does he understand. I dont know he some how convinced me i was just prolonging and i had gone down far enough. like i said i have no idea what i was thinking. i have done alot of drugs in my time and came off of quit a few things but i have never ever felt something even remotley close to the horror this has been. there is no going back now i am a little better. I had convinced my self i was cured i wasnt factoring in the whole opiate receptors not being happy anymore. even after the physical pain goes away my brain will not b quiet and i just dont know whats going to happen. i dont want to start the pill thing up again and i am terrorfied but there is no going back on the subs and i should have stayed on maitence for the first time ever i didnt want or think about pills at all. well its alll coming back to me now thats for sure and it really sucks. i wonder whats its like not to b an addict. to just get up and go about your day and not need something to get you through it. i cant even fathom that and i disgust myself i really do. why oh why cant i just b normal
 
well just wanted to update... it has been a little while now and i got through the horrififc withdrawels but still have no energy and i am so so very tired of fighting with my brain whille the opiate receptors yell and scream at me day in and day out get pills get pills!! i will b attending the methadone clinic in the morning for the first time i have decided that i am just one of those people that needs something every single day and thats that period. i just want to maintain a healthy productive life and i just feel like i need maintenence therapy probably for the rest of my life i have chosen to try methadone this time because one i could never ever sleep on my suboxone and two i just want to go another route this time. i beyond happy with my decision and although its looked down upon by some i am convinced i need maitenence for the rest of my life and when i was on my suboxone i was happy and felt very leveled out i have taken mehtadone before though it was never through the clinic and it has way less side efects for me personally than subs. no sleep was my main prob with the subs soooo i am very excited about getting regulated again and maybe i am weak but i know this is what is best for me these last few weeks have been misereable!!! this curly gurl is looking forward to the future
 
well just wanted to update... it has been a little while now and i got through the horrififc withdrawels but still have no energy and i am so so very tired of fighting with my brain whille the opiate receptors yell and scream at me day in and day out get pills get pills!! i will b attending the methadone clinic in the morning for the first time i have decided that i am just one of those people that needs something every single day and thats that period. i just want to maintain a healthy productive life and i just feel like i need maintenence therapy probably for the rest of my life i have chosen to try methadone this time because one i could never ever sleep on my suboxone and two i just want to go another route this time. i beyond happy with my decision and although its looked down upon by some i am convinced i need maitenence for the rest of my life and when i was on my suboxone i was happy and felt very leveled out i have taken mehtadone before though it was never through the clinic and it has way less side efects for me personally than subs. no sleep was my main prob with the subs soooo i am very excited about getting regulated again and maybe i am weak but i know this is what is best for me these last few weeks have been misereable!!! this curly gurl is looking forward to the future

I feel that it is extremely unfortunate that you werent able to finish your taper the way you had planned it. I believe with my entire heart, that if you had finished your taper correctly, you would have been able to jump off the subs with little to no WD and be able to live a happy life, free of addiction. Unfortunately, it didnt happen that way.
Dont get me wrong, I dont feel that you are a bad person, and dont let anyone ever tell you that you are a weak person. What happened happened, and now you are dealing with it in a way that you choose to do. And thats all we can do in life, is make choices for ourselves, day in and day out. I personally think you should just start taking tiny doses of suboxone again and then finish your taper(and also get a prescription for some type of sleeping pill....like I am on temazepam and it works great), but its your decision and if you want to go on methadone, then thats fine. Maybe it will work better for you. You will find out in the long run if you made the right choice and I wish you the best of luck.
Please keep us updated as to how well the methadone is working. Since you have been off the subs for so long I would recommend only taking a small daily dose of methadone(like 20-30mg's) just so you dont have to deal with another severe addiction. Because you never know, you may want to get off the methadone in the future(or may be forced off for some reason), even though you say now that you want to stay on it for life.
Im glad you are looking positively too the future and I too hope your future gets brighter. Good Luck.
 
James Brown: i just wanted to tell u that whether u know it or not in this little alabama country girls life u have made a tremendous (xcuse the spelling:) impact and your advice has been greatly needed and appreciated. I definitley jumped off the subs too quick i just felt so good and i thought i was low enough which i absolutley was not even close! i have had a horrible time these past few weeks and although i did make it through the HOR RIFIC withdrawels i still have no energy what soever and i am fighting with my brain every second of every day to not go and get pills. I just cant do it any more and after being on my subs i have realized i dont have too u know? i chose to go methadone this time bc i have never tried it maitenence wise bfore and also from the sleep issues i had with the subs and my doctor would never give me anything for it other than tresedone and remron which both sucked i finally have gotten my primary care doc to give me seroquel which other than them being in the xr form they r great. i much prefer immediate release but anyways i went for my intake today and will start dosing tomorow and i think 30 mg will hold me really well i really do and i am not looking to b screwed up u know i just want to feel normal. u know i have no support whatsoever at home from my husband and it hurts my heart it really does he is not an addict nor does understand or even try to. he is a wonderfull man but when it comes to my addiction he has been very cold but i finally told him i was going to the clinic period. so this web site has been the only place where i have had any support and it means alot it really does and once again it means the world to me. i am looking forward to my future once again and cant wait to just b stable. Miranda
 
Well ...i went to the clinic today and dosed for the first time 30 mg, today is the first day in weeks i finally feel SOOOOO much better. i have accepted that its real good possibility i will be on maitenence for the rest of my life. after years and years of trying to get clean stay clean etc.. i really feel like this is what i need to do. I am at peace and happy with my decision on the other hand my husband who is an amazing wonderfull man told me this morning he was going to divorce me he does not understand addiction and absolutey hates the methadone clinic . I dont know what is going to happen but i just could not go on living my life feeling the way i was feeling..i do not cheat on my husband i am a good mother and i also am raising his three sons who live with us full time. I have begged, cried and pleaded and he thinks i am disgusting and weak and i feel like my heart has been ripped out of my chest. I dont want to be this way but after ten long years of opiate abuse and after trying every single way to stay clean out there methadone maitenence is what i truly think will work for me. But if he will leave me over this then shurley its just a matter of time before there would b something else and all i want is to b better, stable, and maybe just maybe if he cant love me at my worse then he doesnt deserve me at my best.
 
u know i have no support whatsoever at home from my husband and it hurts my heart it really does he is not an addict nor does understand or even try to. he is a wonderfull man but when it comes to my addiction he has been very cold but i finally told him i was going to the clinic period. so this web site has been the only place where i have had any support and it means alot it really does and once again it means the world to me. i am looking forward to my future once again and cant wait to just b stable. Miranda

I am SO sorry that you do not have a family support structure to help you through this addiction trouble. I believe, and I think most others would agree, that having a solid support system there to help, guide, and watch over you during your trying times, is absolutely necessary to your recovery. Allthough, I do not want to say that its impossible to get clean or be happy or both without having a support structure, but it is almost that way, but I guarantee you that if you are truly dedicted, and you are strong enough, you can do this even without that support there. And if you succeed, you will haven proven to everyone, but especially yourself, that you are an amazingly strong person, and are capable of doing whatever you need to do in your life to be happy.

Also, as you know I will always be here to support you, even though its only through the internet, its something. I am proud of your efforts so far, and you unfortunately had a bump in the road and after going through hell, you decided to look positively to the future and start making active decisions for yourself to make you happier, like the methadone clinic. And allthough I thought you should just start low dose suboxone again and then finish the taoer, you chose to do what you thought was best for you and I respect that completely. I hope your choice works out well for you, even if you have to live with methadone your entire life. I will warn you though that methadone WD is much worse than suboxone WD so be very careful about being able to get your dose every single day or else you could go through an unimaginable hell.

I think the methadone will also help you with your sleeping and possibly even give you some pain killing effects as well. Good Luck. You know that I, and other members of BL are always here for you.

I think its sad that your husband treats you that way. Maybe he isnt the right one if he cant understand what your going through, or atleast be supportive and do his best to help you out. He DEFINITELY should not be treating you the way he does. If I were where you are I woul kick his ass for letting you suffer like that and then refuse to even try to understand what you are having to go through.
If you truly love him and want things to still work out between you then I think that you should say to him..."Out of all that w have been through, and after all the times you said you loved me, etc, etc..stuff like that.....I ask you to just do one thing for me, and thats to read/learn about what im going through"....

...as in, have him read a bunch of stories off of BL and stories from elsewhere. Also, find respected medical websites that recognize addiction as a disease and talk all about how it can effect someone and there family and how support is monumentally important etc.....

....and if he does that for you and still feels the same or if he just flat out refuses to even do that, then kick that asshole to the curb. You are better than that. You are bettering yourself and you are working so hard at making your life happy and he is taking his support out from under you at the very moment you need it the most. You need to realize that people who treat you like that are not EVER going to positively going to impact your life, EVER. you may have an allusion of being benefited by that person, but if they refuse to support you when you will probably need it most in your life, than he is not worthy of being with you. He wouldnt be there for you for anything else in your life then, if you cant trust him to help you with this hugely important problem. I would be suprised to hear that he ever bought you a gift or opened a door for you. Or maybe its jsut that he's afraid of(and therefore against) what he doesnt understand, and he DEFINITELY doesnt understand addiction.....thats why I told you to ask him to read about it more so he can learn and understand, and possibly change his views...because after all...knowledge is power. But he better give you the biggest apology ever if he actually does learn about addiction and decide to support you....otherwise, I would drop him and get on with your life and find someone better than that idiot.

Sry for the long post. You can let me know anytime that you need help or support and I will be there.

Good luck and keep looking forward.
 
leaving someone for going ON MMT is ass backwards.........

im sorry that you are having to go through this....i can relate.... i dont get any support at home either.....im on BMT
 
curlygurl, i'm so sorry to hear about the lack of family support you are receiving. as unfortunate as it sounds, it really is a sad fact of life that certain people who have not struggled with addiction themselves will never understand an addict's struggle. i don't think they are necessarily blameworthy because of it; if my brain did not operate in the manner it does and if i did not personally deal with addiction daily, i might not be able to fathom aspects of our particular battle either. while it could turn out that your husband may not be the right person to stand with you through your ongoing fight with opiate addiction, i wouldn't necessarily begrudge him for it if he is one of the aforementioned individuals; it may just be that he isn't supposed to provide the support you need going forward and that his vacancy will be filled with the more solid, understanding, and ideal support system that you need. i would ask him to try to better educate himself on the topic, maybe ask him to try narc-anon or something like that, maybe ask if he is open to some sort of couples' counseling with a therapist who specializes in treating families that struggle with addiction, and any other things you think could be important and potentially helpful. if he is unwilling or still feels the same way afterwards, it simply may be that you are not meant to go through this together. also, only you know what is right for you, but i would not completely write off the idea of getting off of opiates entirely one day yet; i certainly believe that under the right circumstances, with a solid support system and enough time, that you are capable of beating this disease. now just might not be the time. we all believe in you and support whatever decisions you make. best of luck!
 
Just wanted to say thank you to James Brown. I am in the same boat as most of you people and looked here for advise. I followed Mr. Browns advise and it works. I do feel euporic (spelling) from super small doses of subs. I admit I switch back and forth way too much but thats stopping for good now. I HATE THE NEW OP'S!!!!!!! The new film strips make it very hard to take a small dose. I love snorting my subs but can only get the strips now (off the street user). Any advise on taking the strips at a super low dose????
 
curlygurl, sorry for your home problems. My wife doesn't even know I'm addicted. Wish she tok care of the money because this never would have happened. I have to get real low on subs and hope to get off behind her back. Not going to be easy.
 
I always had mixed feelings when I saw someone new come into our MMT program. Especially if they were younger and in the early to mid 20's. I saw plenty come and go over the years.... which I guess was good and bad depending on the individual. Most of the younger ones left after their "honeymoon" with methadone was over.

It's probably the right option for someone whose struggled with opiates for 10 yrs... especially since subs didn't work.

IMHO... If you can possibly stay at the 30mg level [which I think is your plan] you will be much better off than at the higher doses. My best advice is to stay clear of benzos... they are much more potent with methadone vs bupe.

It's too bad your husband isn't more commited to your marriage. But then most people just don't understand addiction. They're either misinformed or uninformed and believe the propaganda. I was fortunate to have an MD for a brother-in-law who educated my wife. If he truly loves you... he will at least meet with your clinic dr and counselor to get the truth and give you the benfit of doubt. Hopefully, he'll do some soul searching and at least see how it works for BOTH of you.

good luck...
 
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