NDE+people who have passed=is this forreal???

[Warm'nFuzzy]

ok i really dont know what to make of this sbecause im a firm believer in facts and things that can be explained. this can kinda be explained though i think??? aka im not very religious, but this kinda makes me believe in something.

so my grandfather recently had a stroke. he told me he seen my mother, father, and great grandfather(all deceased) while he was havin what was a near death experience. ive read that dmt is naturally occuring in humans and is secreted upon death. he said they (specifically mother+father) were telling him things to tell me. does this mean that there is an afterlife??? are my parents and everyone else who has passed are looking down on us from somewhere???? i just really want to share this cause i think its incredible. what do you think of this?????? its really opened my mind in the sense of spirituality; yet i still feel that all religions are flawed. i do believe theres some kind of higher power, and even more so now.

 

[Belisarius]

As someone who's been interested in NDEs for a long time, I think they're in the eye of the beholder. I do know that many, if not most of those who've had them have been utterly, completely convinced of the reality of the experience, though a few manage to blow them off as neural fireworks.

If you're interested in the topic, a must-read is Raymond Moody's Life After Life, which was the first study that really codified the generic elements of NDEs. After that, the literature--both pro (that is, arguing that the NDE is a spiritual experience) and con (that it's the last gasp, so to speak, of the brain)--is immense.

The following site makes for interesting perusal; it's little more than a continually-updated list of submitted NDEs from around the world. Some are long and intricate, others are terse, and a few are barely coherent; as with any site with user-generated content you should take it with a grain of salt, but I'm willing to bet that most of the entries are indeed by people who've experienced these things.

http://www.nderf.org/site_index.htm

 

[villian]

I've had one.

Before my experience I was a strict materialist and I didn't believe in any type of afterlife or God and I didn't believe it was possible for consciousness to exist outside of the brain.

After merging with the White light I am certainly no longer a strict materialist. I am not convinced an afterlife exists but I am certainly open to the possibility now. I think it is possible for consciousness to exist without a physical body, and maybe consciousness is even an inseparable part of the universe that was created during the Big Bang.

These experiences are quite common.

 

[Warm'nFuzzy]

The following site makes for interesting perusal; it's little more than a continually-updated list of submitted NDEs from around the world. Some are long and intricate, others are terse, and a few are barely coherent; as with any site with user-generated content you should take it with a grain of salt, but I'm willing to bet that most of the entries are indeed by people who've experienced these things.

http://www.nderf.org/site_index.htm

thanks man appreiciate the response. like the site too.

 

[Warm'nFuzzy]

I've had one.

Before my experience I was a strict materialist and I didn't believe in any type of afterlife or God and I didn't believe it was possible for consciousness to exist outside of the brain.

After merging with the White light I am certainly no longer a strict materialist. I am not convinced an afterlife exists but I am certainly open to the possibility now. I think it is possible for consciousness to exist without a physical body, and maybe consciousness is even an inseparable part of the universe that was created during the Big Bang.

These experiences are quite common.

this is me except it didnt happen to me. my grandfather isnt one to bs either so i kinda feel like it happened to me too after he told me? lol. anyway, what happened to you if you dont mind me asking?

 

[jpgrdnr]

This is one of those things when imho the line between science, personal experience, and spiritualism becomes blurred. Anyone who has experienced anything remotely traumatic will prob give you a similar response to a nde in terms of what can only be described as a tripped out experience. I'd hypothesize that our body has some evolutionary protection against traumatic events. Maybe something that triggers a dream state where what is real and unreal becomes blurred. The conscious mind is a terribly complex machine, throw a curveball its way and adaption will surely follow, even death.

 

[Warm'nFuzzy]

This is one of those things when imho the line between science, personal experience, and spiritualism becomes blurred. Anyone who has experienced anything remotely traumatic will prob give you a similar response to a nde in terms of what can only be described as a tripped out experience. I'd hypothesize that our body has some evolutionary protection against traumatic events. Maybe something that triggers a dream state where what is real and unreal becomes blurred. The conscious mind is a terribly complex machine, throw a curveball its way and adaption will surely follow, even death.

but why are there so many people who have experienced this, and all the experiences are soooo similar. they all revolve around the central theme of godlike/religion things. btw def agree with that first sentance

 

[jpgrdnr]

Why do people experience collective delusions of aliens? Why do they look so similar? One can only dwell on the collective unconcious and the myriad of archetypes we possess. Why do people see lizards in the amazon when they trip on ayhusca *sic science has yet to understand the brain fully...who knows?

 

[MyDoorsAreOpen]

This is the one paranormal phenomenon I really really really hope I never live to see debunked once and for all. It's the one and only paranormal phenomenon that has the power to convince a lot (by no means all) skeptics, once they've done enough research or had a NDE themselves. You really don't see that among, say, ghost or UFO researchers who start off skeptical. As a fan of the paranormal, I'd have to say the NDE is the one phenomenon where the skeptics' arguments are, as yet, noticeably fewer, weaker, and more repetitive than those of proponents.

My mother used to teach a high school course called Death and Dying, and Raymond Moody's Life After Life was required reading. With some dismay, I've noticed Dr. Moody take a decided turn for the flaky-new-agey in recent years, and capitalizing off the success of this first book. I support much more the work of IANDS, which seeks to keep an open-minded but neutral stance on the ontological status of NDEs, while encouraging and publishing truly scholarly research on the phenomenon. I'm really hoping some of the bolder experiments, such as the message in hospitals visible from only the ceiling, turn up some positive results at some point.

My guess is that if NDEs really do offer a glimpse into the great beyond, what they're showing is not the next life, but a transition, like the Bardo states. Since I believe that we as subjective experiencers have a creative role in the world we perceive, I wouldn't be against that idea that what any one person sees in their NDE is tailored to them based on people, places, and things familiar to them in this life.

 

[jpgrdnr]

And I think I've stated this before...what happens when someone isnt aware of the trauma...like a car hits you and you didn't know, or you sustain a head injury and become unconscious, etc. what happens when the conscious mind is unable to perceive the trauma itself? Do we still get an NDE or something else?

Usually with traumatic brain injury there is a blackout of some time, lost time. Where nothing is experienced.

Is a NDE predicated on the situation that we are consciously experiencing it?

Its just something interesting to point out that its not all pervasive.

Id also like to see examples of NDEs that are untraditional. More akin to a dream/fantasy. Or culturally seperate. Does someone who believes in Shinto versus the staunch atheist can have the same NDE of white light and family members?

And the introductions of drugs into the scenario, a chemical variant of heroin (?)

 

[Renz Envy]

I'd hypothesize that our body has some evolutionary protection against traumatic events. Maybe something that triggers a dream state where what is real and unreal becomes blurred.

I agree with this statement. Although we're all slightly different by genetics and greatly different through experiences, we must keep in mind that our brain still functions VERY similar to everyone else's.

With that being said, it's only logical to believe that our minds will attempt to erase traumatic events in order to protect itself from itself (essentially) in the way of anxiety. Obviously the human brain is programmed to keep the body and mind fully functional to procreate and survive.

After completely blacking out several times on various substances and not remembering anything, I gained a certain amount of respect for death. I realized that during a "black out" period, I could very well cease to exist. That "black out" could have been my death. But yet I wake up the next morning in some place I have no idea where.

Just remember that death is Zero brain function. No neurons firing. Nothing. And being alive is having function in your brain (dreamlike state). Zero brain function means complete and utter darkness.

 

[socko]

... I'm really hoping some of the bolder experiments, such as the message in hospitals visible from only the ceiling, turn up some positive results at some point.

Plenty of people have experiences in hospitals in which they nearly die but are brought back, so that experiment is pretty obvious as a starting point for NDE research. You would think that by now, it would have produced some results one way or the other. What's the status?

 

[Warm'nFuzzy]

And I think I've stated this before...what happens when someone isnt aware of the trauma...like a car hits you and you didn't know, or you sustain a head injury and become unconscious, etc. what happens when the conscious mind is unable to perceive the trauma itself? Do we still get an NDE or something else?

Usually with traumatic brain injury there is a blackout of some time, lost time. Where nothing is experienced.

Is a NDE predicated on the situation that we are consciously experiencing it?

Its just something interesting to point out that its not all pervasive.

Id also like to see examples of NDEs that are untraditional. More akin to a dream/fantasy. Or culturally seperate. Does someone who believes in Shinto versus the staunch atheist can have the same NDE of white light and family members?

And the introductions of drugs into the scenario, a chemical variant of heroin (?)

this happeneed to me when i was 12. i was in a car accident and hit my head so hard i almost went vblind. not to mention the glass that was stuck in me.


anyway i really like ur posts mman your real insightful. ima friend you maybe we could have some discussions on these subjects
edit:also theres a site a fellow member posted further up that is a collection of NDEs. theres so many of them lol theyregood stories and support what were all sayin

 

[Warm'nFuzzy]

This is the one paranormal phenomenon I really really really hope I never live to see debunked once and for all. It's the one and only paranormal phenomenon that has the power to convince a lot (by no means all) skeptics, once they've done enough research or had a NDE themselves. You really don't see that among, say, ghost or UFO researchers who start off skeptical. As a fan of the paranormal, I'd have to say the NDE is the one phenomenon where the skeptics' arguments are, as yet, noticeably fewer, weaker, and more repetitive than those of proponents.

My mother used to teach a high school course called Death and Dying, and Raymond Moody's Life After Life was required reading. With some dismay, I've noticed Dr. Moody take a decided turn for the flaky-new-agey in recent years, and capitalizing off the success of this first book. I support much more the work of IANDS, which seeks to keep an open-minded but neutral stance on the ontological status of NDEs, while encouraging and publishing truly scholarly research on the phenomenon. I'm really hoping some of the bolder experiments, such as the message in hospitals visible from only the ceiling, turn up some positive results at some point.

My guess is that if NDEs really do offer a glimpse into the great beyond, what they're showing is not the next life, but a transition, like the Bardo states. Since I believe that we as subjective experiencers have a creative role in the world we perceive, I wouldn't be against that idea that what any one person sees in their NDE is tailored to them based on people, places, and things familiar to them in this life.

hey bro do you know of any good reads on NDEs you could recommend? thatd be cool

 

[Warm'nFuzzy]

Plenty of people have experiences in hospitals in which they nearly die but are brought back, so that experiment is pretty obvious as a starting point for NDE research. You would think that by now, it would have produced some results one way or the other. What's the status?

i too would love to hear about this.\

btw 9 days makes 2 yrs without out mom. i love you and i promise ill get that scum. wish u were here