[NBOMe Subthread] Storage & Stability

[fluffypenguinz7]

So my friend bought 25c-nbome, it was great when he first had it, but he kept it in a vial in his desk drawer for a month and a half sometimes carrying it around in his pocket or wallet too. He gave me many doses of it but slowly over time i realized it was getting kind of weaker, then the last 2 times i did it, it just seemed so bland and I did around 400-800ug's both those times, basically only got threshold effects, things were glowing, that's about it. whats the best place to keep them, in the fridge, freezer or would a closet be fine . Basically just want more than my own opinion so he isn't wasting any future RC's he gets cause he thinks its made to last years even in the way he's been taking care of it, I told him it's destroyed but he won't listen so

 

[bloodshed344]

25C doesn't degrade. I don't know why you would lie to your friend like that. It's weaker because you guys have tolerance.

DER DER DERP.

sorry, but duh?

 

[fluffypenguinz7]

25C doesn't degrade. I don't know why you would lie to your friend like that. It's weaker because you guys have tolerance.

DER DER DERP.

sorry, but duh?

even when I had no tolerance, waiting a week and a half between dosing the first time i noticed it degrading is why i came to think it was degrading, that's just too weird.

+ He had not done it in more than 2 weeks time and he did more than me maybe around 800-1mg and the only effects he reported were mild glowing.. which is weird also soo idk

 

[Anon0631]

Phenethylamines are really quite stable. 25c is unlikely to degrade.

As for the title of the thread. "RCs" isn't a thing, it's just an ambiguous catch-all term.

 

[Incunabula]

NBOMe tolerance is much more hard core than with many other psychedelics. Some people have reported more less permanent tolerance to psychedelics from abusing NBOMe's. They definitely are something that shouldn't be done too often (if at all....but that's just my opinion)

Stay off them for a month+ and I'm sure they'll work again.

 

[kidklmx]

^Pretty much that. Had a bit of a binge with 25c and I couldn't have a normal trip for a long while

 

[.:Holy::Toast:.]

I kept 25i and 25c in a vial and often carried it around with me for about 4 months, an I noticed no degradation whatsoever.
Perhaps you were simply getting used to the effects or building up a tolerance

 

[Deinonychus]

I would hazard this guess: rather than tolerance, perhaps you are simply over the initial excitement and newness of the compound and now are getting a more accurate picture of the stuff's real effects through no longer rose-colored glasses.

What you describe? Shit glowing but generally it's boring? That's what NBOMes feel like for me. They do not feel 'deep', they do not feel 'psychedelic', they just seem to activate the same systems as real psychedelics (5-HT2A, full-agonists at that too so it's paradoxical that they'd be less 'powerful', go figure). And I take a lot more than that, when I have taken NBOMes, 2 mg is about average. It doesn't get any more psychedelic with dose IMO.

Taking your word for it that tolerance isn't at issue, examine your feelings about this chemical and try to remember if you have previously gotten the boring vibe from it but dismissed it due to novelty.

 

[GolemGolem]

I vote for tolerance. The two week tolerance might be about right for the first bit, but it gets worse and it stacks. The magic and neat-ness of the trip is the first thing to go. Try taking another psych at your old normal dose, I bet it kinda sucks and is dull, if I'm right it's tolerance and time to take a couple months off.

 

[fluffypenguinz7]

I vote for tolerance. The two week tolerance might be about right for the first bit, but it gets worse and it stacks. The magic and neat-ness of the trip is the first thing to go. Try taking another psych at your old normal dose, I bet it kinda sucks and is dull, if I'm right it's tolerance and time to take a couple months off.

The second time I noticed it was dull, I blame the LSD I took a week before which was really strong acid, i only took one though n was at ++, 2 wouldve been a for sure +++, but the first time i noticed it was week was just weird, even since my friend who had no tolerance and does psychs only every so often reported minimal effects which is why im skeptical the most, I already ruled in the fact that I may have tolerance but he should've definitely got full effects from the amount he took but oh well xD

 

[fluffypenguinz7]

I would hazard this guess: rather than tolerance, perhaps you are simply over the initial excitement and newness of the compound and now are getting a more accurate picture of the stuff's real effects through no longer rose-colored glasses.

What you describe? Shit glowing but generally it's boring? That's what NBOMes feel like for me. They do not feel 'deep', they do not feel 'psychedelic', they just seem to activate the same systems as real psychedelics (5-HT2A, full-agonists at that too so it's paradoxical that they'd be less 'powerful', go figure). And I take a lot more than that, when I have taken NBOMes, 2 mg is about average. It doesn't get any more psychedelic with dose IMO.

Taking your word for it that tolerance isn't at issue, examine your feelings about this chemical and try to remember if you have previously gotten the boring vibe from it but dismissed it due to novelty.

Oh oh oh, no 25c is amazing amazing at like 1mg-1.5mg soooooooooo much goes on, the first time i did 25c in november I did 2mg.. by accident we didnt have a scale but i was assuming it was that because well.. dont really know but maybe it was more but whatever i did too much got ego loss and was soaring through the oceans through massive spikes & felt like 2012 was happening, there was a house.... and i was on a piece of land soaring through massive tsunamis LOL

 

[GolemGolem]

, but the first time i noticed it was week was just weird, even since my friend who had no tolerance and does psychs only every so often reported minimal effects which is why im skeptical the most,

That could just be your friend swallowing his spit, or having boogers absorb his dose if it was nasal, or maybe he's just insensitive. I'm skeptical because I made a solution of 25c and distilled h2o - no preservative and it kept for months in an amber vial in a box room temp...until it started growing something and I chucked it.
Ah well, maybe something caused your buddies solution to degrade, perhaps light, heat, something in the water don't know, but it's one stable chem...could be tolerance + degraded product and your friend messing up his dose all at the same time. Still do yourself a favor and go easy on the nbomes. :3

 

[fluffypenguinz7]

That could just be your friend swallowing his spit, or having boogers absorb his dose if it was nasal, or maybe he's just insensitive. I'm skeptical because I made a solution of 25c and distilled h2o - no preservative and it kept for months in an amber vial in a box room temp...until it started growing something and I chucked it.
Ah well, maybe something caused your buddies solution to degrade, perhaps light, heat, something in the water don't know, but it's one stable chem...could be tolerance + degraded product and your friend messing up his dose all at the same time. Still do yourself a favor and go easy on the nbomes. :3

Yeah I'm good on the nbomes for now xD, they are really colorful n all but they just don't have much creative flow to them

 

[infantannihilator]

Oh oh oh, no 25c is amazing amazing at like 1mg-1.5mg soooooooooo much goes on, the first time i did 25c in november I did 2mg.. by accident we didnt have a scale but i was assuming it was that because well.. dont really know but maybe it was more but whatever i did too much got ego loss and was soaring through the oceans through massive spikes & felt like 2012 was happening, there was a house.... and i was on a piece of land soaring through massive tsunamis LOL

That could just be your friend swallowing his spit, or having boogers absorb his dose if it was nasal, or maybe he's just insensitive. I'm skeptical because I made a solution of 25c and distilled h2o - no preservative and it kept for months in an amber vial in a box room temp...until it started growing something and I chucked it.
Ah well, maybe something caused your buddies solution to degrade, perhaps light, heat, something in the water don't know, but it's one stable chem...could be tolerance + degraded product and your friend messing up his dose all at the same time. Still do yourself a favor and go easy on the nbomes. :3

^^ from the sound of the above her friend was just carrying the powder around in the vial. also @fluffypenguinz7 'by accident' you didnt have a scale.. lol. I hate to break it to you but you're not going to be able to measure out doses for this substance with really any scale, unless youre dropping a few grand on an analytical balance. you're not very smart for both attempting to eye out, and for taking so much your first time, you could literally have died

 

[mysticmusic]

So my friend bought 25c-nbome, it was great when he first had it, but he kept it in a vial in his desk drawer for a month and a half sometimes carrying it around in his pocket or wallet too. He gave me many doses of it but slowly over time i realized it was getting kind of weaker, then the last 2 times i did it, it just seemed so bland and I did around 400-800ug's both those times, basically only got threshold effects, things were glowing, that's about it. whats the best place to keep them, in the fridge, freezer or would a closet be fine . Basically just want more than my own opinion so he isn't wasting any future RC's he gets cause he thinks its made to last years even in the way he's been taking care of it, I told him it's destroyed but he won't listen so

I wonder if there is information left out here.
For instance, is it possible that the chemical in question was dissolved into solution? If that is the case rapid degradation makes much more sense. I wonder how the doses are being calibrated, microgram scales aren't cheap. If the 25c-nbome was put into tap water and exposed to the chlorine in municipal supplies, could that have played a part? The rapid change in temperature from going in and out of pockets probably was probably destructive too.
Anyway, biologically active molecules are often sensitive to light and moisture, and need to be stored with care.
Furthermore, assuming 25c-nbome is inherently as stable as 2c-c doesn't mean that it's true; the molecule is different.
It's almost always a good idea to stow one's goods away in an airtight container away from light and moisture at stable low temperature. Usually the dry salts, are more stable than aqueous solutions, and waiting till immediately before dosing before putting it into solution might help.

 

[kidklmx]

^The NBOMes are actually quite stable though, mine have been stored as a solution in Spa bottle for a year now and I haven't noticed ANY degradation. Same goes for my nasal spray which has faced terrible conditions (heat, mostly)

 

[Solipsis]

Is it confirmed that the secondary amine bond is thermostable? I.e. that the NBOMe part doesn't fall off gradually when heated?
(I'd bet good money on it being stable, but just wondering if it is entirely an assumption?)

Also I subthreadified it for future reference.