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NBOMe solubility / HPBCD complexing

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Would 25i-NBOMe be soluble in alcohol (Vodka) to the ratio of 15mg/ml. I've done my research and heard it nbome is soluble at 8mg/ml in water. Does anyone have the knowledge to confirm if this method would work.

Im also interested in HPBCD complexing, i'm aware its freely available online, but how much cyclodextrin is needed? for say, 10ml/150mg. You can confirm with a different ratio, just how much cyclodextrin per said amount of nbome

thanks
 
After reading through i gathered that 1g HPBCD / 100mg NBOMe is a sufficient ratio? Do you have any idea if this would work with vodka? Or should i get ethanol and dilute it down for a purer form of alcohol. But for cost effective purposes only, would it be pheasable with vodka?
 
Yes, that seems like a fine ratio and if a solution is 40% alcohol it doesn't matter if it was diluted down or concentrated up.
 
I'd try a smaller batch in vodka first. Like 10mg or so. If it dissolves you're good to go.

Otherwise try a different solvent (pure (well 96% since 100% pure is really hard to make) alcohol, maybe some peg, ...)

Sorry I don't really know what is the best solvent for 25i-nbome, but usually if it doesn't dissolve in water/alcohol then peg should work.
 
Thanks transform for the clear info :)

@Crazycatman, my first plan was to get a 96% ethanol solution and use that but was advised to dilute it down to 30-50% mark. But it seems vodka does the same job, just with a few additives. I think i'll go ahead with the vodka solution (and HPBCD once i've aquired some).

Unless anyone has any objections to this method? The plan was to (for example) mix 1ml of the said solution with 15mg of NBOMe. My dropper bottles release 0.0666ml per drop. Meaning 15mg per ml. Essentially 15 drops per ml. Once this process was complete, i could begin to drop by drop lay them on blotters (NOT LSD IMMITATION!) On a piece of foil as flat against the bottom of the blotters as possible.

Any extra knowledge on this subject would be awesome. thanks bluelight! 8)
 
I would halve then concentration if I were you, to help reduce the risk of odd-sized droplets changing the dose.
 
A drop is not a constant unit of measure, if you must use it I would never go for 1 hit per drop however neat or cool that may seem. If blotters must be used then it would also mean less than 1 hit per square. Even then, 1 mg is not an appropriate dose to count as a hit unless the NBOMe compound you have is one of the lesser common, less potent ones. So there are two reasons why I think you are dosing yourself or your blotters too high.
Another reason is to keep it lower because of a margin of error since you could easily miss the middle of a square and have a dose leak to another hit.

I don't understand why you would want to use blotter paper anyway unless you want to sell it, especially because you talking about 'smaller batches first' implying larger batches. If it is for yourself just use the dropper to dose a sugar cube whenever you want to trip. Or better yet, don't use a dropper but instead a more reliable volumetric measurement technique. So yea I kinda frown upon you as it stands.
 
Its not such an unreliable dosing technique. Especially if i lower the dose for the sake of harm reduction, meaning slight margins of error will not be so significant. Though drops can form together to 'link' them together. Its still fairly consistently spread across the batch. I have stated these are not imitation lsd blotters. Anyone other then myself no one will consume any of this substance until i have determined my method is consistent.

Unrelated, but bluelight seems to be the best place to ask, i have a friend who has done 25i + c NBOMe multiple times but NEVER gets the effects others do. He started with 1000ug. was disappointed, a few weeks later he took 2000ug, had a very weak trip. He upped his dose again at a later period and still never gets the same effects as others around him taking the same substance.

Is there a possibility certain drugs simply dont work properly in individuals? I've only ever heard of this before with DXM, but with polar effects, a small portion of people get substantially stronger effects, strong enough to be very dangerous. This question has been on my mind for a while. Can anybody contribute?

Please stay on topic about my NBOMe subject too, guys :)
 
Perhaps tolerance or poor buccal technique is to blame for your friend.

You need to ensure that your drops are consistent. If you are not using a device designed for dropping then you should get one.
 
I am, i have pipette bottles that consistently measure 15 drops/ 1ml. I've tested this many many times to be sure as i know how wrong the process can go if measurements in any area are off. I have 0.001g x 10g scales for measurement of the nbome.
 
@solipsis why do you frown on people selling drugs? Presumably almost every drug you have been lucky enough to experience was avaiable by virtue of someone selling it?

@crack wizard apparently alcohol likes to hide in the cavities of HPBCD molecules preventing the NBOMe from getting in there. It is suggested that only distilled water, cyclodexdrin and the active compound are used when complexing.
 
I have no problem with people selling drugs. But NBOMe's on blotter, when passed on from person to person can at some point easily be misrepresented. Even if they do not have hofmann print, for a lot of people uninitiated to compounds like NBOMe's .... blotter paper means LSD to them. Maybe you are nice enough to inform your friend of what is actually on it, but how can you be sure that your friend won't pass it off as LSD? Or the friend of that friend? It is not about trying to convince any us here that you will keep the blotter to yourself. Like I said: I don't see the point because liquid measurement is fine and blotters have zero advantage.

Do what you want but it raises my eyebrow.

You cannot have people happily laying these substances on blotter on one side, while at the other side people complain about blotters that turned out not to be LSD. That doesn't make sense: it is a hypocrisy of the system.
 
Personally I prefer halogenated NBOMe's via the buccal route and 25d via insufflation so blotters have a purpose for me.

I print the name and dosage of the substance on my blotters to ensure that they don't get passed off as LSD if they get handed from friend to friend. I would love it if all drugs were identifiable in this way.

Apologies to the OP, I caused of a drift off topic.
 
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